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God, there‘s a blast from the past. I blame that series for getting me into making fansubs and into reviewing stuff on AMV.org, and from there it was all downhill.
Anyone willing to inform me a little bit about the Macross series, and also Iron Blooded Gundam? I have them in my back catalogue, but I keep hesitating on pulling the plug.
As far as Gundam, I’m one of those heritics who actually liked SEED (at the time, I don’t know if I still would now), but found Wing way too slow to get started. But I’ve heard too many covers of Fresia, so I’m interested in Iron Blood, but I’m not sure where it sits tonally.
As far as Macross - Frontier is probably one of my top 10 or top 20 series (the music playing a large part in that), but I keep hearing mixed things about the other series.
Is it worth going all the way back to SDF at this point? I love Irresponsible Captain Tylor, so the art style is less of an issue for me than just whether the plot has been obviated by later shows. Likewise Macross 7, I’ve heard some people say it’s weak but worth watching, and others say it’s an embarassment to the franchise.
Any advice either way is appreciated.
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Nigger, what the fuck are you even doing watching Frontier before the OG Macross? Go watch that shit right now. Frontier has so many goddamned throwbacks to the series that preceded it.
It suffers slightly from outdated animation jank, but if you can look past that, it's pretty damn great for how it approaches the human drama side of things, sprinkled together with the interesting dynamic of the Zentradi once you learn about their "weakness", and it follows a fairly logically consistent, natural-feeling sequence of progression from there.
Macross 7 is fun in concept, but the bulk of the initial, several episodes gets really bogged down by some "monster-of-the-week" type bullshit which always gets sort of resolved but not really by Basara singing at everything. And, apparently, it starts to do more interesting things after a significant investment of time into the show, but I couldn't manage it myself.
Macross Plus is another good must-watch with a very interesting twist on the "love triangle" theme that's usually present in every Macross series.
Never watched Zero or Delta, so I can't comment on any of those.
EDIT: Also, Do You Remember Love? is neat and worth a watch considering it's an in-universe account/retelling of the original SDF Macross. Consider it supplementary material.
Iron-Blooded Orphans is very contentious among mecha circles with most people usually dismissing it as total dogshit. Probably because it builds up to some very significant things over the course of two seasons and touts this sort of theme of "challenging/overthrowing the status quo", only to end up completely disregarding a major worldbuilding thread following the resolution of the story arc that introduced it in the first place, and then, ultimately, maintaining the status quo of the setting when all was said and done, albeit with a bit of a bloody nose, metaphorically speaking.
Personally, I enjoyed what was there and I had fully expected things to end as they did well before the end of Season 2. So, IBO's one of those cases where you'll either love it or hate it. More vocal people seem to have hated it than loved it, but when do mechafags ever actually enjoy any mecha they watch?
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If your not a conventional U.C gundam or 00 fan you'll probably enjoy iron blood. My biggest problem was the serious lack of fights in season 1. There's way too many dam scenes of people talking and not enough action. It was enough to put me off starting season 2 after I finished , but I heard it was good.
What's your opinion on Destiny? I actually really enjoyed that after hating on seed.
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Yes sir, sorry sir.
. ...I actually can’t remember why I watched Frontier.I had that problem with Eureka 7. I have heard several times that the last half is incredible, but I’ve never managed to chew through the first half.
I actually didn’t watch Destiny. I felt like Seed mostly ended how I wanted it to, and I just didn’t see the point of a sequel. But if it’s decent, maybe I’ll put it in my queue.
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If you don't like Wing, you won't like IBO since IBO is even slower than Wing although it's better written. It also has a huge cast it doesn't really know what to do with at times other than give them random scenes that take the focus away from the main cast and plot. Overall it's an interesting experiment that ends with a bucket of cold water over the head. I would've liked the ending a lot more if they built up to that theme of futility. Hell, it probably would be one of the best in the franchise if they properly did that ending instead of just shifting gears.
The original is a goddamn classic of anime that's still worth watching. Macross Plus is also worth watching since it's short and self-contained with some of the most beautiful animation ever.
Macross 7 is my all-time favorite in the series though. Best music in the series and jam-packed with badass moments, emotional moments, hilarious moments everything. Lots of references to the original too which was nice, including a few side characters from the original who get a more expanded role here along with more character development. People criticize the first few episodes but they introduce the cast well.
I didn't really like Frontier, except for the movies (which cut the endless filler). It just felt so drab compared to earlier entries. And I've never seen the ones that aired afterwards but I've heard little good about them.
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I enjoyed it quite a bit, but its very divisive. I watched the original run with an english dub because I wanted to see a fabled clownshow and was happily surprised. You probably dont want to do that, on account that the originals have a lot of clipshow episodes and the movies/series remaster feature new scenes without loads of reused footage.
Basically the main point of contention from my understanding was the lack of overall focus on one major character. It's a fair split between Shin, Kira and Athrun. Didn't have any real problems with that, I was just happy to have a story that wasn't a point by point rip off of the original Mobile suit gundam like seed.
It's the only gundam show ive seen where I was actively routing for both factions at the end.
Was very glad to see the show unafraid to depict Kira getting his ass handed to him quite a bit.
If your a huge cagali fan.... your gonna be disappointed.
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That's actually one of the best summaries of IBO I've heard in a while. Although, like I said, I saw the ending coming well before Season 2 ended (I think maybe a few episodes in I immediately got the underlying vibe of "hubris is going to come back and bite everyone in the ass", and I was following along with it when it had just premiered/was still airing. Orga slowly sperging harder and harder on his ambitions for Tekkadan is the thing that pretty much convinced me nothing was going to end well), so I wasn't exactly smacked in the face when everything started falling apart. More that I was able to appreciate the tragedy and bittersweet nature of it all as it was occurring.
Although I would be remiss if I didn't express disapproval over how poorly the Mobile Armor backstory and accompanying threat was handled. So much buildup surrounding it, and then the whole fucking issue seems to be completely handwaved away after the first (and only) Mobile Armor is finally dealt with.
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While I'll probably stay until the end, Dynazenon is just terrible. Having a character having a hard choice between killing a rampaging Kaiju or destroying a building full of people is just peak meaningless "moral" choice. At least make the Kaiju a cute girl beforehand.
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Ugh you just reminded me of why I stopped watching Gundam Unicorn.
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This culture war shit is so tiring. I don't just mean from anti-SJW's either, both sides are retarded and have much less influence than they think they do. Japan ain't gonna change shit, it's a very insular culture.
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Do you post anything in this thread besides dooming about "THE SJWS WILL TAKE OVER ANIME SOON GUYS!" despite the clear and obvious fact that Japan literally does not give a fuck about western sensibilities
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I mean, Japan just released an anime where the protagonist rapes his way across the world and it was wildly popular. So I uh, don't really see the SJW take-over happening. Maybe they'll fuck up subs and dubs, which just means a return to fansubbing, which was done before subbing occurred on a massive scale. But besides that, its really really hard.
Most take-over of geek spaces were Western and American. So there was basically cultural compatibility. There was also business compatibility as well. Culturally, Japan is extraordinarily different from American culture. I mean, SJWs barely understand normal human interaction as it is, do you think they know how to take over a wholly foreign culture as well? I don't. They're barely hanging on as is, with more of them crashing properties than creating them. The simple fact is it hasn't been abandoned yet because the corporations are so gigantic they can eat the losses.
In Japan, pretty much all anime and manga is made for the Japanese. The whole Western phenomenon is a bonus. And unlike Hollywood, the money isn't in the streaming rights, but in the buying of the merch. Its the blu-ray sales, the figures, the manga...all that shit. That's what actually drives the money in the industry. So if you have cohorts of people not buying things, the Japanese won't listen. Not that they'd listen anyway.
I understand the fears of something else becoming bastardized, but the problem is that culturally it is not compatible. We're two different cultures fundamentally. Look at PC gaming and the Japanese. The Japanese for YEARS never took the PC seriously until Dark Souls rocked the market. Then they began releasing. And even after releasing, only publisher censored the titles, not the developers. I remember SJWs complaining about a girl's tits, and the fucking studio just made the tits bigger.
When the UN wanted to censor loli, you had female manga artists coming out and defending that. (The US just told the UN to go fuck themselves). Say what you will, but you'd have to basically Westernize Japan for that to happen. And uh, that's NEVER going to happen. Especially since the West's influence is waning in the world. When I go to Netflix, a lot of what is trending is anime, documentaries and shows and movies from other countries. American entertainment is losing ground by a lot. And as production gets cheaper and the quality of foreign shows rises, there's going to be difficulty in the American market.
So, not only is the culture poised against the ideological invasion, the monetary end is as well. Why would they change what they are doing? Everything they are doing is working. And Japanese are loathe to change, especially when something is working (and even if something is not).
The idea that this liberal ideology is going to poison everything is a very Eurocentric way of looking at things. It does not apply to the East. Even Eastern Europe. And the farther East you go, the less and less it applies.
Most take-over of geek spaces were Western and American. So there was basically cultural compatibility. There was also business compatibility as well. Culturally, Japan is extraordinarily different from American culture. I mean, SJWs barely understand normal human interaction as it is, do you think they know how to take over a wholly foreign culture as well? I don't. They're barely hanging on as is, with more of them crashing properties than creating them. The simple fact is it hasn't been abandoned yet because the corporations are so gigantic they can eat the losses.
In Japan, pretty much all anime and manga is made for the Japanese. The whole Western phenomenon is a bonus. And unlike Hollywood, the money isn't in the streaming rights, but in the buying of the merch. Its the blu-ray sales, the figures, the manga...all that shit. That's what actually drives the money in the industry. So if you have cohorts of people not buying things, the Japanese won't listen. Not that they'd listen anyway.
I understand the fears of something else becoming bastardized, but the problem is that culturally it is not compatible. We're two different cultures fundamentally. Look at PC gaming and the Japanese. The Japanese for YEARS never took the PC seriously until Dark Souls rocked the market. Then they began releasing. And even after releasing, only publisher censored the titles, not the developers. I remember SJWs complaining about a girl's tits, and the fucking studio just made the tits bigger.
When the UN wanted to censor loli, you had female manga artists coming out and defending that. (The US just told the UN to go fuck themselves). Say what you will, but you'd have to basically Westernize Japan for that to happen. And uh, that's NEVER going to happen. Especially since the West's influence is waning in the world. When I go to Netflix, a lot of what is trending is anime, documentaries and shows and movies from other countries. American entertainment is losing ground by a lot. And as production gets cheaper and the quality of foreign shows rises, there's going to be difficulty in the American market.
So, not only is the culture poised against the ideological invasion, the monetary end is as well. Why would they change what they are doing? Everything they are doing is working. And Japanese are loathe to change, especially when something is working (and even if something is not).
The idea that this liberal ideology is going to poison everything is a very Eurocentric way of looking at things. It does not apply to the East. Even Eastern Europe. And the farther East you go, the less and less it applies.
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It saddens me to realize that Fruits Basket has gone from watching the new episode as soon as it drops to dreading each watch as it sinks in how much is missing. 
I still haven't watched this weeks episode because of it. Have to say that Moriarty has almost taken its place because each new episode this season has been a bunch of fun, it knows it's ridiculous and just goes with it. Always look forward to seeing what the crime gang is getting up to this week and I'm enjoying this seasons focus on them over just Sherlock and William.
For everything else I'm still following:
-Slime Taoshite: Lots of fun in this sol slow life. Episode 6 had some surprisingly amazing animation that caught me off guard. The cast seems to being having a lot of fun voicing their characters and it really elevates the fun, especially the moments where the VA just say the sfx instead of them using sound effects. Hasn't really disappointed me yet.
-Super Cub: Real slow burn series, not a bunch happens in it, yet I've still found it rather good. I'm enjoying seeing the MC slowly open up and the world literally brightening up for her as she experiences new things.
-Mashiro no Ota: Definitely has slipped in quality from the very strong beginning, new arc especially has really dragged and the attempts at quickly throwing development at the side cast feels weird. Mainly enjoying it for the MC and the constantly great performances each episode, can't really get into liking the high school side cast besides maybe blue head (can't remember his name) and the fuck who constantly antagonizes MC while assuming a bunch about him based on his own insecurities is actively ruining my enjoyment every time he opens his mouth. Side cast outside of the high school group is a lot more enjoyable even if they get barely any screen time. Still pretty decent, but has fallen out of AOTS for me.
-Vivy: Series has remained pretty great for me though next episode has me worried a bit if they're going to drag out Vivy moping and just the general worry about an anime original trying to stick the landing. Will say that latest episode made me sad because I had really grown to love Stacy Diva and her final scene was great, going to miss her bullying Matsumoto.
I don't really know if it's worth sitting down and watching it through to the end with how much wasted potential I felt it had. Really wanted to like Shinn, but the show seemed determined to make him the bad guy and it left a bad taste since he was literally a traumatized child directly impacted by war.
I still haven't watched this weeks episode because of it. Have to say that Moriarty has almost taken its place because each new episode this season has been a bunch of fun, it knows it's ridiculous and just goes with it. Always look forward to seeing what the crime gang is getting up to this week and I'm enjoying this seasons focus on them over just Sherlock and William.For everything else I'm still following:
-Slime Taoshite: Lots of fun in this sol slow life. Episode 6 had some surprisingly amazing animation that caught me off guard. The cast seems to being having a lot of fun voicing their characters and it really elevates the fun, especially the moments where the VA just say the sfx instead of them using sound effects. Hasn't really disappointed me yet.
-Super Cub: Real slow burn series, not a bunch happens in it, yet I've still found it rather good. I'm enjoying seeing the MC slowly open up and the world literally brightening up for her as she experiences new things.
-Mashiro no Ota: Definitely has slipped in quality from the very strong beginning, new arc especially has really dragged and the attempts at quickly throwing development at the side cast feels weird. Mainly enjoying it for the MC and the constantly great performances each episode, can't really get into liking the high school side cast besides maybe blue head (can't remember his name) and the fuck who constantly antagonizes MC while assuming a bunch about him based on his own insecurities is actively ruining my enjoyment every time he opens his mouth. Side cast outside of the high school group is a lot more enjoyable even if they get barely any screen time. Still pretty decent, but has fallen out of AOTS for me.
-Vivy: Series has remained pretty great for me though next episode has me worried a bit if they're going to drag out Vivy moping and just the general worry about an anime original trying to stick the landing. Will say that latest episode made me sad because I had really grown to love Stacy Diva and her final scene was great, going to miss her bullying Matsumoto.
I never fully got through Destiny, mainly for the fact that before I could get that invested in Shin and the new cast they felt the need to bring Kira back to make him the focus. Shinn was pretty annoying at the start, but I was willing to see how he'd develop by having Athrun (someone experienced in conflict and having matured through it) to act as a guiding mentor for an unruly teenager fuelled by angry. I also didn't mind his supporting cast of characters since they worked pretty well together as almost older siblings towards Shinn. Even if they felt the need to bring Kira back I was hoping it would be for the sake of showing conflicting ideals on war between Kira and Shinn, with the latter believing Kira's pacifism to be ineffective that doesn't actually save anyone (as shown by how much conflict/fighting still existed).
I don't really know if it's worth sitting down and watching it through to the end with how much wasted potential I felt it had. Really wanted to like Shinn, but the show seemed determined to make him the bad guy and it left a bad taste since he was literally a traumatized child directly impacted by war.
Somewhat glad I dropped it since from the sounds of it the series didn't get any better. I really don't understand how Trigger has kept all the hype around itself when I've found their newer stuff to range from bad to average.
I hate both sides but I've honestly gotten more sick of the anti-sjw at this point because literally everything is cultural war to them and their constant never-ending youtube videos they pump out daily about how the sjw is ruining x or series x is dead because of sjw or sjw gets owned with a random smug anime girl as the thumbnail. People need to chill out and just enjoy some anime.
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This anime is reminding me I'm sick and tired of high schoolers yelling at each other over their own emotional constipation. It's basically just Kono oto tomare again but with the shamisen instead of the koto.
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I'd been interested in checking out Kono oto tomare because I kept seeing it brought up in discussion of Mashiro, but your mention makes me hesitant if it's just a bunch of teen melodrama. A certain level of it is fine, but there seems to be a problem of way too much and they aren't good enough to make in interesting melodrama.
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The teen melodrama is pretty much why I dropped it and why I'm heavily considering dropping Mashiro no oto as well. It's unfortunate cause I do have a hardon for classical japanese music.
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