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I don't know, I've found that a lot of Magical Girl shows have always had the darker undercurrent on themes. They might be typically aimed towards a younger audience but that doesn't mean they don't touch on very real issues kids of those age are facing. I've yet to watch Doremi (stuck on my backlog) but I've heard it gets very dark after the first season or so. There's also the notoriously cursed show Minky Momo where she gets hit by a truck at the very end and dies.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sJhnmkM9VKgI think the bigger thing with newer Magical Girl shows that is also affecting current shows in other genres is the desire to be edgy or "subversive" but not really getting how to do it well.

Shoujo series in particular where a lot of Magical Girl shows stem from, especially the older ones, loved mentally tormenting their characters and dealing with very adult themes. I honestly find the older stuff a lot more fucked up than the more "mature and darker types" that get put out now that just seem to be trying too hard.

If you're looking for really great Magical Girl shows I'd recommend Princess Tutu as it's one of the best in the genre. Too many people pass it over because of the cutesy look and the ballet focus. It's also one of the few series I'd recommend the dub for as it makes some tweaks that help the audience. I guess I'd also recommend Doremi even if I haven't seen it myself yet just because I've seen it praised very highly.
Seconding the recommendation for Tutu. It was a great watch all the way through, exceptionally well done. I really wasn't expecting to enjoy a series with such a heavy ballet theme, but I was happy to be wrong. It would probably be my go-to recommendation for magical girl shows, especially if you're not sure if they're for you. It's anime original, only 26 episodes long, and it's a satisfying watch even for those who aren't fans of the genre.
 
2. The whole concept of the show was the heroine getting reincarnated on what everyone would agree is a filler race. Having the setting go "aktualy spiders are god like when they rank up" ruins it.
The slime isekai has the same issue. The hero is reincarnated as a basic bitch early mob, but suddenly he's friends with a dragon who is essentially a god, and has super powers. It ruins any semblance of conflict with the whole "being a weak race" conundrum, and at that point they might as well just be a human because fact that they're some random "weak" race is just a gimmick so the show can say they're not the same as every other generic isekai.
 
In a way I think this current spider arc kinda feels like dark humor cause Kumoko is messing around for shits and giggles without realising her actions are going to have huge consequences for the world in the future.
 
The slime isekai has the same issue. The hero is reincarnated as a basic bitch early mob, but suddenly he's friends with a dragon who is essentially a god, and has super powers. It ruins any semblance of conflict with the whole "being a weak race" conundrum, and at that point they might as well just be a human because fact that they're some random "weak" race is just a gimmick so the show can say they're not the same as every other generic isekai.
I liked it in Konosuba where Kazuma needs to fight against a demon general whose a slime and goes "that would be easy" only to be told that slimes are op as shit. I'm pretty sure Kumoko even lampshades slime isekai when she picks up the analyze skill only for it to be garbage rather than the gamebreaker it was in slime (at least until it level up and then it's a completely mandatory skill to survive).
 
her just killing elves and humans en masse just feels unpleasant. Like why should I root for her when she is very much a murderer by this point?
She's killing bandits and assassins. This would be like getting disgusted with, well... literally any JRPG in existence because you fight human enemies.

1. A thing that's true for a lot of isekai anime - "why are there armies?". The level up are so insanely op that you'd better just made some tiny group of super powered aristocrats to fight wars between countries. It's what happens when getting stabbed is no longer a risk because the guy was 20 levels below you and has a regular iron sword.
Non-reincarnated people don't seem to be particularly powerful. The old wizard from a couple episodes back was made out to be the one of the most powerful mages and yet wasn't very useful.

2. The whole concept of the show was the heroine getting reincarnated on what everyone would agree is a filler race. Having the setting go "aktualy spiders are god like when they rank up" ruins it.
This only really applies to Ariel and she doesn't seem to be a normal spider that leveled up but rather a god-like 'mother of all spiders' type thing.
 
She's killing bandits and assassins. This would be like getting disgusted with, well... literally any JRPG in existence because you fight human enemies.
jrpg usually skim over the question whether you actually kill your enemies or just drive them away (since the implications for the former are disturbing). Kumoko can easily scare the humans off (maybe besides the assassins who are a danger to a specific person) and risk absolutely nothing.
Non-reincarnated people don't seem to be particularly powerful. The old wizard from a couple episodes back was made out to be the one of the most powerful mages and yet wasn't very useful.
Levels still seems to be a thing for non reincarnations and considering the abilities of the monsters in her cavern, it's a wonder how none of those monsters got out and genocided all of humanity by themselves.
This only really applies to Ariel and she doesn't seem to be a normal spider that leveled up but rather a god-like 'mother of all spiders' type thing.
Ariel is sort of justified, but Kumoko's mother is stronger than dragons and can fire anti matter beams. And the whole first strata is filled with spiders that are strong as dragons. Basically spiders are op as shit in the setting.
 
jrpg usually skim over the question whether you actually kill your enemies or just drive them away (since the implications for the former are disturbing). Kumoko can easily scare the humans off (maybe besides the assassins who are a danger to a specific person) and risk absolutely nothing.
Off the top of my head, the characters actually killing their enemies is referenced in some of the 'Tales of' games. Yuri becoming a Punisher-esque vigilante is a subplot in Vesperia and even gets a nifty title and unique costume for it, for instance. Scaring off the bandits would just cause them to go terrorize people elsewhere or possibly try again later. The assassins, as you indicated, are part of a larger plot to kidnap the reincarnated children; I doubt they'd just give up.

Levels still seems to be a thing for non reincarnations and considering the abilities of the monsters in her cavern, it's a wonder how none of those monsters got out and genocided all of humanity by themselves.
Levels are a thing for non-reincarnated but as the old mage shows you'd need to spend most of your life just getting a few spells and abilities up to a decent level. As for the monsters not genociding humanity... well, yeah, that's a problem for both this and a lot of fiction with powerful, intelligent monsters.

Ariel is sort of justified, but Kumoko's mother is stronger than dragons and can fire anti matter beams. And the whole first strata is filled with spiders that are strong as dragons. Basically spiders are op as shit in the setting.
Kumoko's mother kinda ties into my previous point -- non-reincarnated beings take don't advance super rapidly like the reincarnated ones do; Kumoko's mother seems to be extremely rare, I don't think we've seen any other regular spiders at her power level. Ariel seemed to take it as personal insult that Kumoko was feuding with the mother spider, which I took as an indication that the mother was possibly one of her oldest children that she had a special relationship with.
 
jrpg usually skim over the question whether you actually kill your enemies or just drive them away (since the implications for the former are disturbing). Kumoko can easily scare the humans off (maybe besides the assassins who are a danger to a specific person) and risk absolutely nothing.
It is based on MMORPG, kill enemies and get exp. The anime is very clear about this, so I can't fathom why you thought the series was Undertale 2.0. Pacifist route is for SJW's, we want all genocide.
 
I ignore every single Anime that has a Western writing team or director. Cause it will inevitably have that or suck ass now.

That is the case here. So, I will probably ignore this
Knowing that Lesean Thomas is involved in Yasuke, im optimistic of it being alright. He worked on og boondocks, cannon busters was his idea, so this may be a breakout for him for his own series


Seeing my parents actually watching anime is surreal though
 
Seeing my parents actually watching anime is surreal though
Yeah, it's a bit weird. My dad last year willingly watched the first several episodes of Attack on Titan (subbed) out of boredom, though he hasn't gone back into finishing it. I'd probably wonder if I woke up in a parallel universe if I were to ever catch my mom watching an anime by herself (though I think technically she did with the Les Mis anime?).
 
Yeah, it's a bit weird. My dad last year willingly watched the first several episodes of Attack on Titan (subbed) out of boredom, though he hasn't gone back into finishing it. I'd probably wonder if I woke up in a parallel universe if I were to ever catch my mom watching an anime by herself (though I think technically she did with the Les Mis anime?).
Back when FMAB was on adult swim my old man and I actually watched all episodes together. Then again i remember it being a good show.
He waa more invested into AOT (adult swim) then i was but i cop that up to the walking dead generating his interest in slow plot and monologues over him just watching it casually.

Since them i try on and off to find something we may both like but its not easy. We both enjoy old kung fu flicks, old samurai flicks and good fight choreography, but the well for that is buried under 1k year old lolis and hahafunni fan service.

Ive been told that Cowboy bebop and champloo would be perfect,l but neither of us can finish the series straight. Only select episodes and the movie

Im not much of an anime watcher anyway. One punch man was the only recent thing i finished, and it was subbed. Soul eater was the last thing i finished through, oof.
 
Back when FMAB was on adult swim my old man and I actually watched all episodes together. Then again i remember it being a good show.
He waa more invested into AOT (adult swim) then i was but i cop that up to the walking dead generating his interest in slow plot and monologues over him just watching it casually.

Since them i try on and off to find something we may both like but its not easy. We both enjoy old kung fu flicks, old samurai flicks and good fight choreography, but the well for that is buried under 1k year old lolis and hahafunni fan service.

Ive been told that Cowboy bebop and champloo would be perfect,l but neither of us can finish the series straight. Only select episodes and the movie

Im not much of an anime watcher anyway. One punch man was the only recent thing i finished, and it was subbed. Soul eater was the last thing i finished through, oof.
FMAB is just like the definition of a “pretty good anime”. It’s definitely above average, and there’s a lot of things I like about it, but there’s nothing about it that stands out above the crowd for me. Well, except the fact that it’s pretty tightly plotted and doesn’t totally shit the bed with the ending, but that’s more of a baseline that most anime fail to hit than something I would consider exceptional.

I think it’s defintirly very Western-friendly, and is a pretty safe starter anime for someone who isn’t ready to see the really weird shit.
 
My dad was willing to watch the first few episodes of the original FMA along with me. And of course, we both watched all of the episodes of NGE as well. I also remember him saying that he did grow up watching Speed Racer on TV.
 
I also remember him saying that he did grow up watching Speed Racer on TV.
Yeah, my dad grew up watching Speed Racer on TV and some tokusatsu like Ultraman and Johnny Sokko and His Flying Robot, and as a young adult saw some of Robotech. It's probably why he's more open to anime than my mom is.
 
Yeah, it's a bit weird. My dad last year willingly watched the first several episodes of Attack on Titan (subbed) out of boredom, though he hasn't gone back into finishing it. I'd probably wonder if I woke up in a parallel universe if I were to ever catch my mom watching an anime by herself (though I think technically she did with the Les Mis anime?).
Fun fact: I remember when I was growing up, my father used to fall asleep while watching old TCM movies, and when he wasn’t looking I‘d switch the channel so he could then watch Neon Genesis Evangelion (the dubbed version).

When he woke up, he didn’t know what was going on, and was confused on whether to change the channel or ask how did his television turn into a kids’ channel.

He even did the same thing when I turned it to My Hero Academia since he was watching a Hallmark drama and he fell asleep on the couch.
 
Yeah, my dad grew up watching Speed Racer on TV and some tokusatsu like Ultraman and Johnny Sokko and His Flying Robot, and as a young adult saw some of Robotech. It's probably why he's more open to anime than my mom is.
My dad mentions watching johnny Sokko as well but that was about it.

Funny enough, he would buy me vhs tapes of speed racer and Id watch those after Dexters lab or whatever was on during that era. Im pretty sure that Samurai Jack helped him be more open to weeb shit (south park and simpsons were also hot), but as far as action cartoons, you had PPG, Johnny bravo, Jonney Quest and other American shows, as far as stuff that could be on while I was watching.

I remember us watching Naruto twice, and never again haha. Never got into dragon ball, never one piece, I hated sailor moon. I actually bought Redline for the car on car action, as dad was a car guy, but he fell asleep during the Yellowline race

I probably should have known better, even i thought it was boring after the races

FMAB is just like the definition of a “pretty good anime”. It’s definitely above average, and there’s a lot of things I like about it, but there’s nothing about it that stands out above the crowd for me. Well, except the fact that it’s pretty tightly plotted and doesn’t totally shit the bed with the ending, but that’s more of a baseline that most anime fail to hit than something I would consider exceptional.

I think it’s defintirly very Western-friendly, and is a pretty safe starter anime for someone who isn’t ready to see the really weird shit.
Without mentioning a reddit list, what would you consider above tier anime for non anime folks? Let's say, after 2010
 
You guys are lucky. My parents are the type of boomers who never understood anime and never will, if I ever watched it around them they'd either mock it or ask stupid questions.
 
Without mentioning a reddit list, what would you consider above tier anime for non anime folks? Let's say, after 2010
Satoshi Kon's anime. They're rather Western in feel despite being social commentary on Japanese culture, but that may be because he was a huge fan of cinema, especially arthouse films. Proof: Mom was able to follow Millennium Actress the best out of every anime she's watched. (Well, she watched Tokyo Godfathers, too, but I think she didn't follow it well because I have the subbed version.)

You guys are lucky. My parents are the type of boomers who never understood anime and never will, if I ever watched it around them they'd either mock it or ask stupid questions.
My mom will ask dumb questions, too.
 
Off the top of my head, the characters actually killing their enemies is referenced in some of the 'Tales of' games. Yuri becoming a Punisher-esque vigilante is a subplot in Vesperia and even gets a nifty title and unique costume for it, for instance. Scaring off the bandits would just cause them to go terrorize people elsewhere or possibly try again later. The assassins, as you indicated, are part of a larger plot to kidnap the reincarnated children; I doubt they'd just give up.
Yuri kills very specific people at the top of the power structure though, not random mobs. And the game itself treats this as not necessarily the correct moral choice. And it's not unreasonable to argue that bandits could either return to being lawful, or won't likely to kill anyone (just rob them).
Levels are a thing for non-reincarnated but as the old mage shows you'd need to spend most of your life just getting a few spells and abilities up to a decent level. As for the monsters not genociding humanity... well, yeah, that's a problem for both this and a lot of fiction with powerful, intelligent monsters.
No, when you don't have stats as an actual thing in-world then it makes sense for monsters to still be limited by the risk of being swarmed and killed (ie, the spider in LoTR).
It is based on MMORPG, kill enemies and get exp. The anime is very clear about this, so I can't fathom why you thought the series was Undertale 2.0. Pacifist route is for SJW's, we want all genocide.
It could actually have been an interesting plot point if some of the reincarnated people viewed everyone else as an NPC and used it to justify their actions. But actually refering to the morality of killing people isn't unique to Undertale (who sucked not because of having a pacifist route, but having it be the only encouraged route and arguing you shouldn't protect yourself when attacked). Also I like Pacifist routes in stealth games...
 
Yuri kills very specific people at the top of the power structure though, not random mobs. And the game itself treats this as not necessarily the correct moral choice. And it's not unreasonable to argue that bandits could either return to being lawful, or won't likely to kill anyone (just rob them).
He still kills people, often people who are just corrupt officials rather than murderers themselves, and it doesn't make him any less of a hero in the game. Then you have the entirety of Beseria wherein Violet makes it no secret that she's literally eating her opponents, even right up to the end where she's meant to be more heroic. I think you're putting way too much thought into a protagonist killing one-dimensional enemies that the story deems to be the bad guys. Do you like... give up on a game if you decapitate your enemy as a finisher or something?

No, when you don't have stats as an actual thing in-world then it makes sense for monsters to still be limited by the risk of being swarmed and killed (ie, the spider in LoTR).
They still have the armies of sentient races and their own natural predators that could swarm them in Kumoko, too. One of the former 'Heroes' was apparently able to gain enough power to attack Administrator D in another reality, so even if the non-reincarnated beings are generally much lower on the power scale they still have some tricks they can pull out. Again, though, I think this is like asking "Why don't the goblins in the final dungeon of Dragon Quest use their immense power to rule the world?"

Ultimately 'So I'm a Spider, So What?' is a nearly comedic iseki based in a very typical RPG-esque world. Wanting it to explore the morality of killing faceless bandits is verging on autistic. I mean... the show basically begins with Kumoko going "I can't eat my own kin! ...Actually, I'm pretty hungry, so never mind lol"
 
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