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[Space Police]

The sequel, Alternative, goes deeper into it. It's known for having some pretty brutal player punches and genuinely shocking scenes.

Muv-Luv Alternative isn't disturbing; it's stupid. I wonder how many more people would like it if it wasn't a fanservice game/manga.

 

[Horribadger]

Just went and binged Punpun since someone brought it up here. It was okay I guess

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Just went and binged Punpun

Why would you do that to yourself.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Dunno if just me, but typical anime high school characters usually look like college students playing them, and are indistinguishable from college-aged anime characters (better that than looking younger IMO). Like Ataru of Urusei Yatsura (in high school) looks like he's about the same age as Keiichi of Oh My Goddess! (college student).

 

[Commander X]

 

[BananaSplit²]

The Western anime fandom is just so deeply retarded, man. It's all fag shit and fanfics enforcing some ridiculous headcanon. Shippers by far being the worst: you cannot have a tender female relationship or a close male one without Western anime fans reading homoshit into it.

Fanarts and fanfics by themselves are fine, I see those on the Japanese side of the Internet and there is the whole doujin scene (meaning "self-published works" not porn) that contributes in cultivating new serialized manga artists. At least it's productive even if one may not agree with (some of) the end results.

But yes, in addition of what you said, american/anglo fandoms are really aggressive into making everything a social political movement, searching any deep meaning underneath, failing to take account cultural differences, etc.

Not gonna lie though, it's a little bit frustrating as a Yuri (lily) enjoyer when the genre is about the platonic or romantic relationships between female characters (giving off the image of a garden of flowers hence the name), while the English audience grossly simplifies it to lesbianism. It's a genre I like just as something amongst many others anyway so it would be hard to resolve my whole personality around it too.

I'm not worried when it comes to mangas as they remain fictional works targeted for the home market firstmost. Anime and Japanese videogames can be a different story, but for the latter there will always be the niche stuff at least.

the japanese language is very autistic
jigsaw-puzzle like, and subject object verb (yoda speak) structure
and the japanese people are incredibly repressed, which leads to their media have crazy and expressive shit you would think is autistic
of course, actual autists would take one look at the amount of context required for the language and promptly fuck off from how confusing it can be

It's a whole different language with its own writing systems, but I argue to say Japanese grammar is less difficult to comprehend and put in practice than the French equivalent for instance. The common but important Japanese grammar points that tend to be overlooked are:
-the language being pro-drop (as in removing parts of a sentence such as pronouns, noun, topic, etc.)
-particles playing an essential grammatical role (it also means there is no enforced word order besides the main verb at the end to put it quite simply)
-one common method in lengthening sentences is to transform fully-written sentences into adjectives.

Half the difficulty of the Japanese language is finding the right learning materials, and I personally had no choice but to rely on English sources as there were nothing similar in my native tongue (at least not directly in the Internet or commonly available as books). But a frequent issue often found is the attempt to teach the language in a same approach done for latin/germanic ones. I noticed many textbooks don't exactly force the reader to learn the kana tables (out of fear the user throws the towel already) and they skip the importance of kanji radicals as a visual mnemonic method.

Spoiler: Kanji radicals

For example, textbooks will teach you common words such as 寒い (samui - cold) , 暖かい (atatakai - warm) , 涼しい (suzushii - cool) , and 熱い (atsui - hot) together as they all have to do with temperature. It's an approach that makes perfect sense for other languages but not for Japanese, as even if these words are basic in meaning they're rather complex to read and write with nothing in common to each other. It's a rather painful tactic in which you may eventually forget things and have to redo time and again.

What are radicals then? They're called 部首 (bushu) and act like letters of the alphabet but there's roughly over 200 of them. Just like English letters, radicals don't have any real meaning and can be combined in random ways to create words. The real kicker is that radicals can be strokes that will never be kanji characters on their own or they can be originally smaller & simpler kanji characters.

To give a simple example, the kanji 京 for "capital" (pronounced kyou - seen in Tokyo 東京 and Kyoto 京都) is made up of 口 and 小 (both being already existing kanji characters) while wearing some kind of pointy hat above (which cannot be a kanji on its own).

Knowing 京 means you can easily memorize 涼 as seen earlier, but also 景 (scenery - view), 就 (take position - settle - be hired) which can evolve into 蹴 (kick). And with these words, you end up recognizing 日 , 沈 , 足 in the process too. It's a sort of double EXP bonus and intellectually more efficient than the usual textbook method.

Flashcards are a trap to avoid as well as they often give a one-word definition of a kanji but with no context. And from my personal experience, physical dictionaries can easily overload you with too much info when you're simply looking for an everyday word (the modern Japanese language is certainly not shy on using loan words from other languages).

But past these hurdles, I would say the Japanese language is very rich and diverse in itself between the speech forms and patterns, colloqualism, idioms, personal pronouns, etc. Anyone claiming it's dull and stiff bought into the lies of the English localizers who are trying to hide their incompetence and lack of professionalism.



Mangas are a pretty good source to practice Japanese and further expand the vocabulary, specifically the mangas that contain furigana (kana characters added next to the kanji character for pronounciation - seen in examples above). Consuming foreign media proves to be a good motivator for language learning.

 

[liam dees]

If we're Doraemonposting, now's a good time to mention that the Dorameons movies are excellent, particularly Birth of Doraemon.

I got to sperg about it. Doraemon is my CHILDHOOD. I have attached so much sentimental value to Nobita and Doraemon that I cannot look at the anime / manga objectively at all.

To this day, Stand By Me Doraemon remains the only film to make me cry at least 5 times while watching it. I was pretty much crying every 10 minutes of that film. I don't know why, but characters like Nobita and Charlie Brown make me cry a lot, they are losers in so many ways and there is no shortage of days where I feel exactly like them. Oh if only I had a Doraemon to cherish...

 

[God of Nothing]

But past these hurdles, I would say the Japanese language is very rich and diverse in itself between the speech forms and patterns, colloqualism, idioms, personal pronouns, etc. Anyone claiming it's dull and stiff bought into the lies of the English localizers who are trying to hide their incompetence and lack of professionalism.

lolcalizers are a big reason why i'm bothering to learn the language

Mangas are a pretty good source to practice Japanese and further expand the vocabulary, specifically the mangas that contain furigana (kana characters added next to the kanji character for pronounciation - seen in examples above). Consuming foreign media proves to be a good motivator for language learning.

Reading manga raws and understanding a great degree what is actually being said is a rewarding experience. I still have some trouble with kanji though I understand how radicals work. More of a memorization problem on my end.

 

[ShitLurker]

lolcalizers are a big reason why i'm bothering to learn the language

Reading manga raws and understanding a great degree what is actually being said is a rewarding experience. I still have some trouble with kanji though I understand how radicals work. More of a memorization problem on my end.

Any proposal on how to start? Something tells me I can't depend on fansubs to protect my kiseki experience much longer.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

I got to sperg about it. Doraemon is my CHILDHOOD. I have attached so much sentimental value to Nobita and Doraemon that I cannot look at the anime / manga objectively at all.

To this day, Stand By Me Doraemon remains the only film to make me cry at least 5 times while watching it. I was pretty much crying every 10 minutes of that film. I don't know why, but characters like Nobita and Charlie Brown make me cry a lot, they are losers in so many ways and there is no shortage of days where I feel exactly like them. Oh if only I had a Doraemon to cherish...

Those got nothing on the Pokemon Sinnoh Movie trilogy, those were absolute classics to me as a kid, especially The Rise of Darkrai.

 

[God of Nothing]

Any proposal on how to start? Something tells me I can't depend on fansubs to protect my kiseki experience much longer.

First of all, learn Hiragana and Katakana. You can spend your entire life learning kanji. There are a few people on youtube who break down grammar structure. It's really not that complicated. Something that ends in に at the beginning of a sentence is the ultimately affected thing or when something took place. は, means in relation to something and is almost ways at the beginning if に isn't present. が marks the subject (try not to confuse it with は, they mean two completely different things). を designates the object of the sentence. Participles will likely be your first real challenge and where Japanese's jigsaw/lego like qualities are apparent.
たすけて: Help
たすけたい: Want to help
たすけない: There is no help
たすけさせる: Let help, made to help
たすけられる: Can get help
there are even more

From here on, it's learning the smaller, lesser used grammar. Phrases, words, and the start of learning kanji (fuck the Chinese so much).

 

[liam dees]

Those got nothing in the Pokemon Sinnoh Movie trilogy, those were absolute classics to me as a kid, especially The Rise of Darkrai.

See that's the thing I never grew up on those Pokemon films. For shame...

Just watched Birth of Doraemon. I don't know what's wired wrong in my head, but that ending where Fujiko F. Fujio gets the idea and draws Doraemon for the first time, I just uncontrollably start crying again.

 

[Eagle Bro]

But yes, in addition of what you said, american/anglo fandoms are really aggressive into making everything a social political movement, searching any deep meaning underneath, failing to take account cultural differences, etc.

Its more glowniggers (MI6, etc, not just the CIA) and their zealot sleeper cells worming into moderation positions to force a narrative than anything.

Even if you are consistent, not making any sketchy shit, and generally just keeping to your own little corner, they will still go out of their way to harass and ban you with trolls also claiming the same thing just to discredit actual reports of moderator abuse. That's if you even get the chance to appear in the kangaroo court. Hence most of the threads in community watch.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Can I get opinions on Kite? I am a huge female assassin film fan (black widow, atomic blonde, la femme nikita, point of no return, the villainess, etc) but even I can't stomach this movie. I remember seeing parts of it years ago. All I remember was shit like exploding bullets, a naked bound and gagged woman getting fucked on a bed, the cop on the phone while two school girls (?) fellate him, etc. Oh and of course the sex between the girl and the cop.

I know there's a live action version and I know the ova is influential (Tarantino and Samuel L Jackson are fans, Gwen Stefani and No Doubt homage the bathroom shootout in the Ex-Girlfriend music video, etc) but it just......I'm not a prude by any means (two of my fav films are Thelma & Louise and Perfect Blue) but the sexploitaton just feels.....icky.

 

[Space Police]

Can I get opinions on Kite? I am a huge female assassin film fan (black widow, atomic blonde, la femme nikita, point of no return, the villainess, etc) but even I can't stomach this movie. I remember seeing parts of it years ago. All I remember was shit like exploding bullets, a naked bound and gagged woman getting fucked on a bed, the cop on the phone while two school girls (?) fellate him, etc. Oh and of course the sex between the girl and the cop.

I know there's a live action version and I know the ova is influential (Tarantino and Samuel L Jackson are fans, Gwen Stefani and No Doubt homage the bathroom shootout in the Ex-Girlfriend music video, etc) but it just......I'm not a prude by any means (two of my fav films are Thelma & Louise and Perfect Blue) but the sexploitaton just feels.....icky.

I haven't watched Kite, but Kite Liberator is okay. The gore was too much for me, and there are some sexual harassment scenes in the first half that I skipped, but there's a cool spaceship and some neat monsters. There's always Southern Cross and Gall Force as well.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

The only reason you don't want to fuck Yor is that it will probably cost you a pelvis.

L-loid....

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Tell her to read volume 13.

 

[God of Nothing]

L-loid....
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what ungodly suction power that pussy has

 

[Thomas Talus]

Dunno if just me, but typical anime high school characters usually look like college students playing them, and are indistinguishable from college-aged anime characters (better that than looking younger IMO). Like Ataru of Urusei Yatsura (in high school) looks like he's about the same age as Keiichi of Oh My Goddess! (college student).

Most western "high school" shows use actors in their 20s or even early 30s if they have good genetics, so that's not unique to Japan.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Dunno if just me, but typical anime high school characters usually look like college students playing them, and are indistinguishable from college-aged anime characters (better that than looking younger IMO). Like Ataru of Urusei Yatsura (in high school) looks like he's about the same age as Keiichi of Oh My Goddess! (college student).

The particular brand of youth fetishism in Japan really pulls everyone in anime towards High School proportions unless it is specially trying to depict them younger then that for fetish reasons like loli/shota. This was less true 30-40 years ago but the only significant difference between teens and any adult woman under 40 is how they are dressed, how much make up they have on, and MAYBE the average breast/hip size in non-porn (in porn all bets are off).

Like the Uzaki/Rebecca twitter hot-take about how they are clearly loli because they are less then 5'3" was retarded but there was a germ of an idea there that they are basically depicted as younger then they really should come across as visually because nips are into that shit.

 

[God of Nothing]

Like the Uzaki/Rebecca twitter hot-take about how they are clearly loli because they are less then 5'3"

are petite women really that rare or is this just that woman thing of hating anyone more appealing than them?
because i have them in my family and i've met them so i really don't get this retarded short = child nonsense people even here say
you have to have be some kind of retard or autistic to not see the obvious physiological differences between a short adult and a teenager, which are often given in anime to distinguish them because it'd be weird otherwise