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SSj_Ness said:
I don't trust a single thing Netflix touches in any case. And something being old doesn't necessarily make it worse, look at Dragon Ball, if they had rebooted Z with that shitty plastic DBS art style it'd be a waste of time and resources and likely a black eye on the franchise.

I don't watch One Piece so I have no idea how good or bad the anime adaptation was, but look how long the damn series is. They're going to do that a second time? Are you serious? This is just draining talent imo.
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No genuinely parts of the one piece anime are fucking awful like genuinely some of the worst shit Toei has ever put out. During a particular part of the story back in 2014-2015 the anime just chugged in its pace and I’m not kidding that some episodes were filled with up to 6 whole minutes of just nothing but recap for the previous episode.

The animation also was extremely rushed and has laughably bad drawing work and so many character designs look rough. Characters have wonky proportions or look nothing like their base model. One pieces pacing above all else is absolute garbage and the whole seriously episode count could be cut in half and you would lose nothing of substance. I’d say they should go for it. The series is dire need of re-doing the older arcs with better animation and pacing.
 
7 Grandad said:
No genuinely parts of the one piece anime are fucking awful like genuinely some of the worst shit Toei has ever put out. During a particular part of the story back in 2014-2015 the anime just chugged in its pace and I’m not kidding that some episodes were filled with up to 6 whole minutes of just nothing but recap for the previous episode.

The animation also was extremely rushed and has laughably bad drawing work and so many character designs look rough. Characters have wonky proportions or look nothing like their base model. One pieces pacing above all else is absolute garbage and the whole seriously episode count could be cut in half and you would lose nothing of substance. I’d say they should go for it. The series is dire need of re-doing the older arcs with better animation and pacing.
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Half would still be 500 episodes... That could be 500 episodes of anything else. If pacing is that bad just give it the Kai treatment, and spruce it up visually where most necessary. Redoing it just seems dumb to me, idk.

BScCollateral said:
OMG! That was before they invented color!
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Funny thing is according to Wikipedia HDTV was introduced earlier than that in 1998, back in literal caveman days!
 
God of Nothing said:
As I said before, JJK and Bleach share problems. Yuji and Ichigo are both plot devices to an absurd degree. I wouldn't blame anyone if they thought Gojo was the protagonist of JJK, even though he is also another giant plot device (He is more active where Yuji is very much passive, not unlike Ichigo). You can just replace Gojo with other characters or write him out entirely and keep most events the exact fucking same. Sukuna is ironically more of a character than Yuji, who has accomplished absolutely nothing throughout the entire story. I am not being facetious. That motherfucker has not done a single fucking thing. It is legitimately surprising.

Ichigo's one saving grace is that he does stuff, but also a major flaw is that he just does stuff. You're told its for friends and shit. Then it's because he doesn't want to lose. And also, Soul Reapers suck. Then he allies with the Soul Reapers to save his friends. Also, he doesn't want to lose or have an unfair fight with someone who will kill his friends. And then Aizen is so powerful he gets depressed. Then he curb stomps him through the power of plot without feeling guilty or anything despite it being an unfair fight.
like, the goto thing people say about Ichigo is that he's the protagonist and more of a traditional hero but that's it
he may as well not exist either
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No no, Ichigo is still order of magnitude aboth Yuji. Ichigo is a massive Gary Sue with a cool ass design and a finger in the pie of virtually every group. Yuji is just the dullest motherfucker in shonen history. That just power levels as the plot demand withoit even any unique change. JJK cast reminds me more of Naruto than Bleach, only that I remember characters from Naruto way more despite not interacting with franchise for a decade, only Gojo is a standout character, and he is a shittier Kakashi.
 
If they really want to remake something, it should be Galaxy Express 999. The original anime is from the 70s, and the modern audience could do well to see it, but that show thrives on its episodic format where you watch one or two episodes a day, which conflicts with the modern binge-watching trend, so there is a high possibility for it to be botched to appease the bingers. A new Harlock anime would also be nice, but again, it should be episodic like the 70s anime and Endless Orbit SSX, so it would take a high level of skill -- one that's probably not present in the modern anime industry -- not to botch it or to rush it like Cosmo Warrior Zero (which I actually thought wasn't that bad). It would also be nice to get a new episodic, kiddy, toyetic robot anime, preferably with 2D-animated mecha, but that will probably never happen at this point.
 
BScCollateral said:
Remakes are an admission of failure. We have nothing in the pipeline, so we'll do it again and hope to capture the morons who never watch anything more than a few years old.
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Zoomers cannot be assed to watch anything that is below the 2010s. So when directors and anime producers look at their demographic, which are zoomers, this is what happens.
 
Sailor Troon said:
If they really want to remake something, it should be Galaxy Express 999. The original anime is from the 70s, and the modern audience could do well to see it, but that show thrives on its episodic format where you watch one or two episodes a day, which conflicts with the modern binge-watching trend, so there is a high possibility for it to be botched to appease the bingers. A new Harlock anime would also be nice, but again, it should be episodic like the 70s anime and Endless Orbit SSX, so it would take a high level of skill -- one that's probably not present in the modern anime industry -- not to botch it or to rush it like Cosmo Warrior Zero (which I actually thought wasn't that bad). It would also be nice to get a new episodic, kiddy, toyetic robot anime, preferably with 2D-animated mecha, but that will probably never happen at this point.
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If they got the guys who did the Yamato remake (Production I.G. iirc) I think a GE999 and a Harlock remake could end up going really well. I think Ashita no Joe could've benefitted from a remake (or at least a release in the west god dammit!) as a lot of anime owe a lot to it and it's also just a very good series of its own right. I love the way that Osamu Dezaki did both seasons of Joe, but it'd be interesting to see another director's take on the series.

Has there ever been a case where an anime with a BAD adaptation got a remake that was good? Like I'm still mad that Biscuit Hammer got a shit adaptation and I kind of wish they gave the anime another shot by a studio that isn't shit but that will never ever happen.
 
God of Nothing said:
Ichigo's one saving grace is that he does stuff, but also a major flaw is that he just does stuff. You're told its for friends and shit. Then it's because he doesn't want to lose. And also, Soul Reapers suck. Then he allies with the Soul Reapers to save his friends. Also, he doesn't want to lose or have an unfair fight with someone who will kill his friends. And then Aizen is so powerful he gets depressed. Then he curb stomps him through the power of plot without feeling guilty or anything despite it being an unfair fight.
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Ichigo's problem is the series' form at. If you put it under a wide lens, Ichigo actually changes quite a bit. He's a bit of a punk early on. Think Yusuke-lite. But as time goes on, he becomes the hero to save Rukia and trains hard to do so. The Arrancar arc kind of inverses this as Ichigo's quest for power leads him to become and more and more like a Hollow that he eventually straight up loses himself and almost kills his friends as a result. Eventually though he gains the strength he needs and defeats Aizen and after being on the losing side for so long, he's on top. If you notice, aside from his fights with Ywach, Ichigo is NEVER on the losing side ever again. When his quest for power and strength ends with Aizen, it ends. This continues into the Fullbring Arc where he's pretty much lost purpose and then desperately tries to regain it, but it's his friends who ultimately save him this time. His efforts weren't misguided and he makes the choice to not side with Ginjo and trust in the friends he's made.

The problem is his changes are very subtle and hurt by the weekly anime format and overall length of Bleach. If you go back and watch the early episodes though, Ichigo is very different.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
No no, Ichigo is still order of magnitude aboth Yuji. Ichigo is a massive Gary Sue with a cool ass design and a finger in the pie of virtually every group. Yuji is just the dullest motherfucker in shonen history. That just power levels as the plot demand withoit even any unique change. JJK cast reminds me more of Naruto than Bleach, only that I remember characters from Naruto way more despite not interacting with franchise for a decade, only Gojo is a standout character, and he is a shittier Kakashi.
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I mean, it should remind you of Naruto, JJK protagonist squad is literally just toned down Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke and Kakashi before he started jobbing (which was almost immediately).

It's actually a pretty common thing in shonen, Black Clover is also guilty of doing palate swaps on Naruto + Sasuke (and let's be honest, they themselves are just Gon who takes his medicine and Killua with Kurapika's backstory)
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
No no, Ichigo is still order of magnitude aboth Yuji. Ichigo is a massive Gary Sue with a cool ass design and a finger in the pie of virtually every group. Yuji is just the dullest motherfucker in shonen history. That just power levels as the plot demand withoit even any unique change. JJK cast reminds me more of Naruto than Bleach, only that I remember characters from Naruto way more despite not interacting with franchise for a decade, only Gojo is a standout character, and he is a shittier Kakashi.
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That's really not saying much. Yuji is just that bad of a protagonist.
And calling Gojo a shitty Kakashi is just an insult to shitty Kakashis.
Party Hat Wurmple said:
The problem is his changes are very subtle and hurt by the weekly anime format and overall length of Bleach. If you go back and watch the early episodes though, Ichigo is very different.
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This is the defense everyone has of Ichigo if you criticize his lack of character. Really, this is more of a result of Kubo not knowing how much he should make not!Urameshi like Urameshi. He just kept the thug part in for all of one chapter. Even comparing him to Urameshi beyond the barebones archetype is an insult to Urameshi. Ichigo isn't even a good stoic. Just ugh. I don't think Kubo had any idea what he wanted to do with him.
Oddjob OTP said:
I mean, it should remind you of Naruto, JJK protagonist squad is literally just toned down Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke and Kakashi before he started jobbing (which was almost immediately).

It's actually a pretty common thing in shonen, Black Clover is also guilty of doing palate swaps on Naruto + Sasuke (and let's be honest, they themselves are just Gon who takes his medicine and Killua with Kurapika's backstory)
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Come on, man. Red oni, blue oni has been a thing since forever. You can say Goku is Naruto/Gon/Ichigo and Sasuke/Killua/Uryu(?) is Vegeta with this logic. The issue with these characters isn't that they follow an archetype, damn near every fictional character ever has to by logic of humans adhering to archetypes in the first place, it's how poorly they fulfill those roles. I say Ichigo, Yuji, and Gojo are trash because of how shit they are at being what they're trying to be. You can replace with anyone else and what changes really? They cease to be characters and are more stand-ins for tropes than the tropes themselves.

There is an issue when there's no variation but that's more of a sign of bad writing than anything wrong with the archetypes. Even then, Yuji and Megumi are far more cordial and unlike other characters of their archetypes. Yuji and Megumi both also suck and may as well not exist. Just bad writing.
 
SSj_Ness said:
Half would still be 500 episodes... That could be 500 episodes of anything else. If pacing is that bad just give it the Kai treatment, and spruce it up visually where most necessary. Redoing it just seems dumb to me, idk.
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I get that but I think you seriously need to see how bad the pacing and animation gets in one piece down the line. It completely destroys any momentum the story actually has, maybe even less episodes than that would do a better job. All I’m saying that a new anime really would work since even now the anime still has abysmal pacing and could use a fresh start.
 
Seo Kōji of The Café Terrace and Its Goddesses fame has just turned Hayato’s maids into an idol group in the latest chapter:

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You may disagree, but these are your new Power Rangers.
 
God of Nothing said:
You can say Goku is Naruto/Gon/Ichigo and Sasuke/Killua/Uryu(?) is Vegeta with this logic
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I wouldn't say that because all of those characters map badly onto DBZ archetypes. It's not inherently bad to make your main characters fill the same established archtype but yeah you have to actually write them into new characters at some point. As an example Early Luffy was the Goku we have at home but now, 1000 chapters later it's not remotely true. I don't think Yuji is ever going to become his own character, he's just always going to be Naruto on an Adderall prescription for his ADHD with an edgier Kurama in his chest.
 
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