If you consider people on Tumblr sending our threads to people, then yes. The only reason we get people from outside of the Farms is because of people deciding to send select pieces of threads to the person we're talking about. I don't think Kiwi Farms will be "mainstream" until one of the cows here murders someone and leaves the words "Kiwi Farms made me do it" somewhere in blood.
To go back a little bit with one comment made on Farewell, FamiKamen Rider, our grunts wear sneakers because Justin's grunts were wearing sneakers. This is a photo from his production. I'd have not made that choice, but he did, so so did we.
On the editing and camera blur, oh yeah, you bet we wish it was better. I also wish I wasn't the single solitary person doing the job of half of a production. There were easily more qualified people than me who should have either done this movie instead or helped me out, but I didn't have any of that. Instead, I was a co-writer, co-director, producer, actor, cinematographer, editor, etc. You wouldn't believe the massive amount of cat-herding it took just to get something off the ground that was nice enough to make for Justin. Before the movie was really in production, there was large talk by others close to him of what everybody could possibly do to memorialize him, which ranged from so-so to having nothing to do with Justin at all whatsoever. So then we wrote up a treatment and showed it to a small handful of people who seemed shocked that what we were trying to do was actually trying to use what Justin was already working with and actually seemed to memorialize him. And people wanted to help, but they didn't want to help THAT much. I wish other people had been there during our script writing process. There's a lot I would have liked to have had time to go over and cut out or retool. My husband and I wrote a three act script draft and begged a small handful of people who seemingly wanted us to do this to read it and get back to us on making adjustments. And then time went by, and nobody got back to us. So we were like, "Well, if we wait any longer, we're not gonna make that MAGFest 2015 deadline," so we had to get started. Only AFTER that did ONE person respond saying, "It's a good start, but it's not getting done anytime in the next two years." And I was just sort of livid, like, "Well, we already started without you, so...?"
After that, there were some awesome people who seemed to understand how important this was, but not a lot. Matt Burkett, for example, was a total BOSS. We could NOT afford to bring anybody into San Antonio from out of town. Matt, who was our suit actor for both Fami and SuFami, did the special effects, and much better fight editing than I did, flew his own ass out to San Antonio from Arizona on his own dime and put himself up in his own hotel. We haven't been able to repay his kindness, but I hope we can, because that was just outright stellar. Allison Pregler (Obscurus Lupa) got her cameo back to me immediately after I asked for it. But past that... sheesh, I just wanted to cry at every turn, because nobody freaking got it. I had actors who hadn't read the script at all before they were put on camera, cameos where people couldn't read the simple instructions on how to do what I needed, and other cameos that waited until literally under 48 hours before the movie was supposed to debut at MAGFest, and I'm nearly ripping my hair out because they said they were going to come see the movie, and I'm wondering how they're expecting to do that when their part in the movie hasn't been submitted to me.
And in the end, when everybody sat down and saw what the movie really was, it was like people were just shocked, like, "Oh, you WEREN'T trying to do some dumb 20 minute thing that had nothing to do with Justin?" I mean, maybe if people actually helped us, our movie would have been different. Maybe it would have been better.
Or maybe it would have still been crap. Or maybe I'm full of crap because maybe if I gave the whole job to any of you, maybe all of you would have done better with even less. I confess, I'm NOT a camera person. I make my living sitting in front of a stationary camera. I'm NOT a movie editor. I wish Matt had been able to edit the whole movie for me. He has a far better eye for cinema. But he was already doing so much with the special effects, and in fact he almost couldn't finish them because he ended up being terrifyingly ill in the hospital during our editing process (thankfully he's fine now). I'm saying, I'm aware that this job likely should have not been given to me, and I absolutely wish I had more qualified people helping me. I wish people had cared more when I was begging them to care and pay attention. This is why I say I never want to go through this again. You can't make anybody care unless you're giving them money, not even when the project is supposed to be something good and meaningful.
Alright, it was a motley crew production. Respect. What I'm curious about, very curious, is who these other people who flaked on the project were. Were the Walker brothers involved at all? It's really interesting that you mentioned that you couldn't get people interested unless they were paid.
Alright, it was a motley crew production. Respect. What I'm curious about, very curious, is who these other people who flaked on the project were. Were the Walker brothers involved at all?
I'm not too interested in throwing specific people under the bus, but no, the Walkers had exactly zero involvement in this. I had no desire for this to turn into a Channel Awesome production. This was Justin's, and Justin had parted with Channel Awesome a couple years prior on his own and didn't seem to want anything further to do with Channel Awesome. I went directly to people that Justin already was involving in his project or I knew were his friends, even if they were still Channel Awesome members. But in no way was this a Channel Awesome movie. I don't even believe the Walkers were ever meant to be involved in Justin's original miniseries project. I never once saw their names come up in any of the scripts, backing, or other contribution materials I was given.
I don't know what people are expecting for $63,000 (or even $90,000). It's not like you're going to get some CGI work of art. I think what's funnier is the over hyped, over promised nonsense that people got from the crowd funding campaigns, as if nobody involved knows how money works.
Red Letter Media's Feeding Frenzy was made for about 5-10 grand:
Yeah, for 50K you can't make Avatar or Transformers or any of that shit, but there's no excuse to not make something that at least looks like a movie. Know what I mean?
Yeah, for 50K you can't make Avatar or Transformers or any of that shit, but there's no excuse to not make something that at least looks like a movie. Know what I mean?
Yeah, I get you. This guy make a film on a budget of $500 and a bag of shrimp ... and it's a legitimate indie award winning film.
So, I get what you're saying. To be perfectly honest, I think it's their own fault - they hype the shit out of themselves, and under deliver on what they've sold. I just don't think shitting on Kaylyn's stuff is really warranted.
Yeah, I get you. This guy make a film on a budget of $500 and a bag of shrimp ... and it's a legitimate indie award winning film.
https://vimeo.com
So, I get what you're saying. To be perfectly honest, I think it's their own fault - they hype the shit out of themselves, and under deliver on what they've sold. I just don't think shitting on Kaylyn's stuff is really warranted.
Yeah, I was referring to Linkara's scam, not Marzgurl's little kamen rider thing. I took a look at that, made it about 5 minutes in and had to stop. Her film doesn't come off as a scam but just a bad fan film and not anything more than that and that's harmless.
If, big if, if Linkara spent $24K on that studio then he got taken. I also doubt that he shot 10 days in that studio by the looks of it. So let's say building that set and paying production people, let's say another 5 grand right there. Renting a studio could cost between $500-1000 per day and there's a fee for setting up the green screen. And, again, I doubt he shot all 10 days in that studio. Unless he's a dumbass and shot in sequence.
So let's say he shot in that studio for 6 days (that would be fair), that's 6 grand. Plus the building of the set and paying production people and that's another 5 grand.
The total production budget is still around $30K and that's me still over-estimating how much he spent.
@MarzGurl, I think the problem we have with the grunts wearing sneakers is that Justin's actually had ones that matched the color of the outfit exactly. Whereas here, one of them is clearly wearing ones with neon green trim while the other's wearing the appropriate colors.
Otherwise, hot damn, does that reek of "Apocolypse Now" levels of production trouble. I gotta say, that's harsh. It's a wonder it was even made to begin with if all that shit happened.
Yeah, I was referring to Linkara's scam, not Marzgurl's little kamen rider thing. I took a look at that, made it about 5 minutes in and had to stop. Her film doesn't come off as a scam but just a bad fan film and not anything more than that and that's harmless.
If, big if, if Linkara spent $24K on that studio then he got taken. I also doubt that he shot 10 days in that studio by the looks of it. So let's say building that set and paying production people, let's say another 5 grand right there. Renting a studio could cost between $500-1000 per day and there's a fee for setting up the green screen. And, again, I doubt he shot all 10 days in that studio. Unless he's a dumbass and shot in sequence.
So let's say he shot in that studio for 6 days (that would be fair), that's 6 grand. Plus the building of the set and paying production people and that's another 5 grand.
The total production budget is still around $30K and that's me still over-estimating how much he spent.
Yeah, ultimately when it comes down to it, both are bad, but at least Marz had her heart in the right place. And it was a combination of problems then just one singular entity.
Lewis on the other hand. I still doubt he spent any more money than what you estimated overall. Because the production values look like ass for an under $100k film. And literally almost everything wrong with the film, including the funding and production values can be blamed almost entirely on his lack of budgeting skills and other assorted flaws.
Yeah, I was referring to Linkara's scam, not Marzgurl's little kamen rider thing. I took a look at that, made it about 5 minutes in and had to stop. Her film doesn't come off as a scam but just a bad fan film and not anything more than that and that's harmless.
If, big if, if Linkara spent $24K on that studio then he got taken. I also doubt that he shot 10 days in that studio by the looks of it. So let's say building that set and paying production people, let's say another 5 grand right there. Renting a studio could cost between $500-1000 per day and there's a fee for setting up the green screen. And, again, I doubt he shot all 10 days in that studio. Unless he's a dumbass and shot in sequence.
So let's say he shot in that studio for 6 days (that would be fair), that's 6 grand. Plus the building of the set and paying production people and that's another 5 grand.
The total production budget is still around $30K and that's me still over-estimating how much he spent.
@MarzGurl, I think the problem we have with the grunts wearing sneakers is that Justin's actually had ones that matched the color of the outfit exactly. Whereas here, one of them is clearly wearing ones with neon green trim while the other's wearing the appropriate colors.
Otherwise, hot damn, does that reek of "Apocolypse Now" levels of production trouble. I gotta say, that's harsh. It's a wonder it was even made to begin with if all that shit happened.
So, okay, if it's possible to combine posts, I'll figure it out in a bit. Until then, apologies for back-to-back postings.
You're right, I actually insisted that our grunts wear black sneakers. But then they showed up, and this is what they were wearing. I asked, "Are these your black sneakers?" And they were like, "Yeah, that's all we have." And we literally couldn't even afford more shoes, so... crappy color matching it is, fine. Thanks, guys.
Ironically, that exact same thing happened on my wedding day with some of the same folks just a few months earlier. Got tuxes rented, and my Matron of Honor begged the dudes to get nice black shoes to match, and they showed up in sneakers. Just can't get people to care.
Okay, he shot for 10 days (somehow) that's about 10 grand. That's about $30-40K. I sincerely doubt that much was spent but let's go with it. That still leaves 24K left and that's nothing to sneeze at.
Okay, he shot for 10 days (somehow) that's about 10 grand. That's about $30-40K. I sincerely doubt that much was spent but let's go with it. That still leaves 24K left and that's nothing to sneeze at.
Just to add to your speculation, another $3.2k went to IndieGogo, as they take a clean 5% off the top. Plus 3%+$0.30 per credit card transaction, and up to 5% per PayPal transaction. I'd estimate overall they paid $5k or so combined fees (IGG's 5% + transaction fees).
Just to add to your speculation, another $3.2k went to IndieGogo, as they take a clean 5% off the top. Plus 3%+$0.30 per credit card transaction, and up to 5% per PayPal transaction. I'd estimate overall they paid $5k or so combined fees (IGG's 5% + transaction fees).
I kind of figured that into my final estimate. Keep in mind that I'm over-estimating. The dude lives in Minnesota and also keep in mind that the Red Letter Media guys are in the neighboring Wisconsin.
I love how this thread evolved from "Crapping on CA and their business decisions" to "Having intelligent conversations on stretching your dollar making no budget movies, with some perspective from CA members past and current."
And to add to the "impressive movies shot for less than CA movies" is Krisha, which was shot for $30k in 9 days with the director's family as the cast, and completely sweeps the floor with the AT4W "movie":
There's been a lot of good movies produced on a dime, the problem is that a movie is something artistic. If your movie idea sucks ass then the movie is going to suck ass no matter what the budget is.
Even outside of TGWTG, you have James Rolfe's fucking horrible ass AVGN movie that was just shit. He basically should have remade the documentary Atari: Game Over but in character. I'd have done it with like, the guitar guy and him going on a road trip to visit the dump site with the E.T. cartridges and break it up with information and video game footage. The problem is that James Rolfe for some fucking reason thinks his prop comedy was what made his videos popular, even though all his top-viewed videos were more serious and insightful, like the Nintendo World Championship episode and all of the Castlevania reviews. James is funnier when he's just being James.
I think a lot of comedic people tend to have a vision of themselves and what they do that is really off. James wanted to be a prop comedian that swears and uses the word ass and shit a lot, but people kind of liked him for being nerdy more so than angry. He still wanted to be that person though and tried to make it work his way and it just flops.
I've never watched anyone on TGWTG besides the actual glasses man but his voice is fucking awful and I hope he hangs himself so I never have to listen to him again.
And whoever that fat fuck is with the neckbeard that basically lives to be made into reaction images should also die.
I love how this thread evolved from "Crapping on CA and their business decisions" to "Having intelligent conversations on stretching your dollar making no budget movies, with some perspective from CA members past and current."
And to add to the "impressive movies shot for less than CA movies" is Krisha, which was shot for $30k in 9 days with the director's family as the cast, and completely sweeps the floor with the AT4W "movie":
The quality of the CA movies (aside from Brad Jones' work) rivals that of the 80's Shot on Video flicks:
Here's the kicker: movies like this and Cannibal Campout, Splatter Farm, Video Violence, Redneck Zombies, and Crazy Fat Ethel 2 all had less money to work with. Any of the movies I mentioned had a budget between $1K and at most $10K (at the very most) and they are all infinitely more entertaining than any CA flick.
And I could go a step further guys. The John Waters classic Pink Flamingos was shot for $12K back in 1972. Plus Peter Jackson's Bad Taste was shot for $11K over the course of 3-4 years back in 1987.
There is no fucking excuse for their films to look, sound, and play like complete shit. Ed Wood could do better than any of the CA people. And the big reason why Ed's movies were shit were because they were ultra low budget and he shot them in less then a week. Also he was a big time alcoholic but my point still stands.
The quality of the CA movies (aside from Brad Jones' work) rivals that of the 80's Shot on Video flicks:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=tl9gA2hE0C0 https://youtube.com/watch?v=7l1JAAS8LPs
Here's the kicker: movies like this and Cannibal Campout, Splatter Farm, Video Violence, Redneck Zombies, and Crazy Fat Ethel 2 all had less money to work with. Any of the movies I mentioned had a budget between $1K and at most $10K (at the very most) and they are all infinitely more entertaining than any CA flick.
And I could go a step further guys. The John Waters classic Pink Flamingos was shot for $12K back in 1972. Plus Peter Jackson's Bad Taste was shot for $11K over the course of 3-4 years back in 1987.
There is no fucking excuse for their films to look, sound, and play like complete shit. Ed Wood could do better than any of the CA people. And the big reason why Ed's movies were shit were because they were ultra low budget and he shot them in less then a week. Also he was a big time alcoholic but my point still stands.
