"angry" gamers/critics

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Given that it's the copyright holders who are issuing the complaints, how is complaining to the US Copyright office going to achieve anything? How will they be able to stop YouTube from removing content when a copyright claim is made? This might affect fair use issues that go to court, but no YouTube video maker is going to go that far.
 
Someone in a Tree said:
Given that it's the copyright holders who are issuing the complaints, how is complaining to the US Copyright office going to achieve anything? How will they be able to stop YouTube from removing content when a copyright claim is made? This might affect fair use issues that go to court, but no YouTube video maker is going to go that far.
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The problem here is that it's not just the big companies. It's anyone filing DCMA takedowns. And a good chunk of them either out of spite or false flagging as opposed to legit copyright issues.

And the fact that most of the false claims come from those who never had any involvement in the show/movie/song/review/whatever that's taken down is kinda a red flag in regards to the flawed system we currently have.

Then again, this is Doug, and he's only asshurt that his stuff is taken down. He's really only in it for the money, as opposed to any actual issues.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
The problem here is that it's not just the big companies. It's anyone filing DCMA takedowns. And a good chunk of them either out of spite or false flagging as opposed to legit copyright issues.

And the fact that most of the false claims come from those who never had any involvement in the show/movie/song/review/whatever that's taken down is kinda a red flag in regards to the flawed system we currently have.

Then again, this is Doug, and he's only asshurt that his stuff is taken down. He's really only in it for the money, as opposed to any actual issues.
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There's also the fact that most major studios and record companies often employ bots designed to recognise content that more often than not auto-flags stuff that appears in things that do fall under fair use.
 
FYI: Spoony One's Patreon dropped beneath the 2000$ mark and he is still tweeting at 6.2 Wu per second.
He also complains over his mental health and the way his insurance treats him.


A once funny reviewer has turned into careercow.

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Jewelsmakerguy said:
The problem here is that it's not just the big companies. It's anyone filing DCMA takedowns. And a good chunk of them either out of spite or false flagging as opposed to legit copyright issues.

And the fact that most of the false claims come from those who never had any involvement in the show/movie/song/review/whatever that's taken down is kinda a red flag in regards to the flawed system we currently have.

Then again, this is Doug, and he's only asshurt that his stuff is taken down. He's really only in it for the money, as opposed to any actual issues.
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Love the "Only in it for the money" complaint so much.
 
Meaty Spaghetti said:
I wonder if any of these guys ever thought of a "Plan B" just in case shit hits the fan, you know this "youtube money" isn't going to last forever
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Doubt it. Not sure if the other streaming site Doug and pals use can even allow them to make a profit. Plus the ad revenue from the site, especially if they're losing members left and right, probably won't last long either if it keeps going in this direction.

DrChristianTroy said:
Love the "Only in it for the money" complaint so much.
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And what's wrong with that? Doug's clearly not putting what's left of his heart and soul into the product. Plus he's outright mentioned he's losing money from the DCMA takedowns. While I understand losing money's not that good. The problem is that he's not thinking much about the other users who may be affected.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
And what's wrong with that? Doug's clearly not putting what's left of his heart and soul into the product. Plus he's outright mentioned he's losing money from the DCMA takedowns. While I understand losing money's not that good. The problem is that he's not thinking much about the other users who may be affected.
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Well at the end of the day these silly videos are his job. "Heart and soul" don't pay the bills. So if he's doing this solely for the money and not because of the real issues, great. If he can come out of all this shit even more stable financially, even better. I honestly don't see the issue with doing it solely so you get paid.
 
DrChristianTroy said:
Well at the end of the day these silly videos are his job. "Heart and soul" don't pay the bills. So if he's doing this solely for the money and not because of the real issues, great. If he can come out of all this shit even more stable financially, even better. I honestly don't see the issue with doing it solely so you get paid.
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I think what is happening here is what has been happening with CWC for several years now: we're getting in the habit of harshly criticizing everything they do simply because they are the ones doing it. A couple of years ago, Chris posted a tribute to his father that seemed genuinely sincere, and a handful of people blanched because Chris included a picture of Patty next to his father, or that Chris didn't appreciate his father while he was alive, as if he was the only person to do such a thing. That's why people like LordKat are focusing on Walker's financial complaints in regards to this fair use thing. Same thing with the Labyrinth review. I doubt Walker was the only prominent YouTuber/video maker who put together something and monetized it. We need to remind ourselves that there's a world of difference between burning through 90k to make a shitty game show and calling out false flagging.
 
Meaty Spaghetti said:
I wonder if any of these guys ever thought of a "Plan B" just in case shit hits the fan, you know this "youtube money" isn't going to last forever
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I think it depends on how much each reviewer spends to make their reviews. Linkara and Doug? No. Brad? Maybe. Guys like Mike J? Probably doing this to supplement their income from their actual jobs.
 
Kamen Rider Black RX said:
I think it depends on how much each reviewer spends to make their reviews. Linkara and Doug? No. Brad? Maybe. Guys like Mike J? Probably doing this to supplement their income from their actual jobs.
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I wonder if Pop Quiz Hot Shot was supposed to have been Plan B. I heard rumblings that they were thinking of using the pilot as a pitch to a network... until the pilot turned out the way it did.
 
Someone in a Tree said:
I think what is happening here is what has been happening with CWC for several years now: we're getting in the habit of harshly criticizing everything they do simply because they are the ones doing it. A couple of years ago, Chris posted a tribute to his father that seemed genuinely sincere, and a handful of people blanched because Chris included a picture of Patty next to his father, or that Chris didn't appreciate his father while he was alive, as if he was the only person to do such a thing. That's why people like LordKat are focusing on Walker's financial complaints in regards to this fair use thing. Same thing with the Labyrinth review. I doubt Walker was the only prominent YouTuber/video maker who put together something and monetized it. We need to remind ourselves that there's a world of difference between burning through 90k to make a shitty game show and calling out false flagging.
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And that's just it. I understand where Doug's coming from, don't get me wrong- I'd be pissed too if I suddenly lost all my YouTube monies as well (if I bothered to monetize any videos, that is). But at the same time, we know exactly how he handles money thanks to Demo Reel and Pop Quiz Hotshot.

The fair use thing is a little more sketchy, seeing as for a long time, most of Walker's videos consisted mostly of clips from the film itself. With audio either from himself or culled from other copy-written sources. And that's part of why I feel rather critical towards Doug jumping on the #WTFU bandwagon. The other part, as I mentioned above, is his spending habits, and how he thought that quitting his job to do internet reviews would rake in the thousands (which by all accounts, it did, I'll admit) and hoped he'd survive entirely on that alone.

Sexy Times Hitler said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pdwv9Sslwz0
Found the video, if anyone else is interested.
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Yeah, that's the one (of a few, IIRC).

Funny thing about that, when I first saw it, I liked it. Over time, I learned to reevaluate and honestly, I can't say I agree with either Joe or Roger on the film. It's a terrible film, don't get me wrong, but at the same time, it's not irredeemably bad- I liked the forest fight and the idea of Devastator, while horribly executed, was an interesting concept. It's just that Bay's choice in "humor", the uneven effects and contrived writing/characters bring it down a lot.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
And that's just it. I understand where Doug's coming from, don't get me wrong- I'd be pissed too if I suddenly lost all my YouTube monies as well (if I bothered to monetize any videos, that is). But at the same time, we know exactly how he handles money thanks to Demo Reel and Pop Quiz Hotshot.
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I don't see how the way he uses the money his videos earn on YouTube (by putting it back in shitty projects) has any relevancy with the issues he's experiencing with the site. Christ, I hate to make this comparison, but if Mark Twain was being denied funds by his publisher, we wouldn't say that Twain didn't deserve those funds because he made a bunch of shitty investments. This is admittedly a clumsy analogy, but, hey, it's late. Now his IndieGoGo money, that's fair game for criticism of his spending habits. I'll tell you this: had the final result not imploded the way that it did, they probably would have launched another crowdfunding campaign a year ago. Even worse, if they launched another one tomorrow, they'd probably still reach their funding goal.

I do agree with you on his definition of fair use. I'd argue that a lot of the earlier, shorter videos would be protected, but now that these videos use up to twenty minutes of clips.... hoo boy.
 
Someone in a Tree said:
I don't see how the way he uses the money his videos earn on YouTube (by putting it back in shitty projects) has any relevancy with the issues he's experiencing with the site. Christ, I hate to make this comparison, but if Mark Twain was being denied funds by his publisher, we wouldn't say that Twain didn't deserve those funds because he made a bunch of shitty investments.
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This is Kiwi Farms. When bad things happen to people we don't like, we call it justice and anyone who says otherwise gets called a white knight.
 
BiggerJ said:
This is Kiwi Farms. When bad things happen to people we don't like, we call it justice and anyone who says otherwise gets called a white knight.
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If I start saying we shouldn't mock Linkara's taste in porn, I might need to be talked off the ledge.
 
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