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Ancient Pagan Antisemitism​

Jewish beliefs and practices in the ancient world were unique and often attracted pagan scorn and hostility.

Antisemitism is one of the world’s oldest hatreds. It stubbornly persists into modern times. How did it start and where did it come from? That is difficult to answer.

The Talmud teaches that Sinai, the mountain where the Jews accepted the Torah, comes from the Hebrew word “sina,” which means “hatred.” After receiving the Torah at Mount Sinai, which gave concepts of morality, hatred of the Jews descended on the world.

No doubt Jews in the ancient world were viewed as different based on their unique belief systems. The 19th century German historian, Theodor Mommsen, claimed that Jew-hatred and agitations against the Jews were as old as the Jewish diaspora itselfi. Judaism was an abnormality in the ancient polytheistic worldii. Jews were sometimes blamed for the “anger of the gods” when natural disasters struck. They were seen as strange because they had no statues and worshipped an invisible deity. The Torah relates the fear and loathing of the ancient Egyptians towards the Israelites.

Most pagans were willing to absorb new deities introduced by conquering armies. Jews as monotheists refused to do so. Dietary laws prevented Jews from eating with their pagan neighbors. Jews were considered lazy for not working on the Sabbath. While different cultures intermarried, absorbing each other’s idols, Jews remained separate. Jews were the ultimate nonconformists in a sea of paganism.

Scholars often called pagan hostility to Jews anti-Judaism rather than the more modern term antisemitism. But here, we will refer to hatred of Jews as antisemitism to avoid confusion.

The most numerous written sources of antisemitism in the pagan world came from the Greco-Roman period. This was a time after the Babylonian expulsions when many Jews lived outside the Holy Land in various diasporas and mixed with other cultures.

One of the earliest antisemitic sources came from a Greek speaking Egyptian priest living in the early third century BCE named Manetho. Manetho wrote a history of Egypt, devoting a section to the Israelites and the Exodus. Much of Manetho’s writing has been lost but was referenced by the ancient Jewish historian Josephus.

In his version of events, Manetho turned the Exodus story upside downiv. Instead of a tale of Jewish liberation from Egyptian slavery, Manetho wrote a scathing version where the Egyptian gods expelled the Israelites to purify Egypt. Before expulsion, the Jews under a rogue prince named Moses, terrorized the Egyptian people, and blasphemed their gods.

One of the larger ancient Jewish population centers was in Alexandria, Egypt. Alexandria was hub of learning, focused at the great ancient library of Alexandra. It was also the hub of much tension between Jews and pagans living there.

Once again from Josephus, we understand that a man named Apion was an official of the Alexandria library and wrote a scathing polemic against the Jews. Among his writings, Apion claimed the Jews of worshipping a donkey’s head in the Jerusalem Temple. Josephus spilled much ink defending Jews against the accusations of Manetho and Apion.

In a more chilling libel that would have serious implications through history, Apion accused Jews of kidnapping Greek children and offering them for human sacrifice in the Temple.

Tensions between Greeks and Jews in Alexandria continued to simmer until war broke out between the two groups in 115 CE.
The famous Roman historian Tacitus, devoted large segments of his writing to criticize Jewish practices. Tacitus lived at the time of the Second Temple and wrote his Historiesdecades after its horrific destruction. He wrote that the gods despised the Jews. Tacitus believed Jews hated everything held sacred by Rome. He called Jewish rites “sordid and ridiculous.” He claimed Jews were the “most despised people and basest of nations.” While many pagan writers and orators scorned Jews and Judaism, Tacitus’ polemic is particularly vicious.

There seemed to be several themes in pagan antisemitism, some of them still used against Jews in today. One theme was to malign the origins of Judaism. There were repeated attempts to downplay or degrade the events that led to the formation of the Jewish people and their attachment to the land of Israel.

Another form of attack alluded to what the pagan world perceived as the strangeness of Jewish practises. The concept of taking one day off each week for the Sabbath was seen as ridiculous, particularly when applied to the lower classes and slaves. That many Jews throughout the Roman Empire were poor only added to derision. Circumcision and abstaining from eating pork were also misunderstood and considered “barbaric.”

One area that especially stirred up hatred was proselytization. In later antiquity Jews did it with some success. Tacitus complained about Jewish proselytizing, warning that those who accept the Jewish faith “despise the fatherland.”vii Oddly, one of the accusations leveled against Jews was that they practised “atheism” and caused others to convert to these beliefs.

There is significant evidence to argue that ancient pagan antisemitism was widespread. The tragedy is that many pagan forms of antisemitism morphed and adapted through history. Christianity, Islam, and secular societies often built upon pagan hatreds and continued to use the same methods to attack Jews and Judaism.
 
Hitler's issue was that the Jews were half-assimilated.

That is to say, they were assimilated enough that they were integrated into economic systems, but not assimilated enough that their sole identity wasn't "German."
 
Hitlers issue was that they weren't Germans, they were jews that lived inside Germany, using its resources, locking them away inside their own communities; and engaging in activities that were detrimental to the German people. That's not an issue of assimilation, in the same way that having lungworm isn't an issue of assimilation, it's an issue of parasitism.
 
We're saying the same thing, it's just an issue of framing.

That's why some ultra-Orthodox make the argument that you can't halfass integrating into a non-Jewish society. Either Jews stand completely apart or they go full Gentile. Anything else invites problems, and the claim that Hitler wasn't clear what his problems with many German Jews were is bullshit.
 
Judaism was an abnormality in the ancient polytheistic worldii. Jews were sometimes blamed for the “anger of the gods” when natural disasters struck. They were seen as strange because they had no statues and worshipped an invisible deity.
Because polytheism is the natural state of humans. They recognized monotheism as the toxic innovation that it was.
The Torah relates the fear and loathing of the ancient Egyptians towards the Israelites.
One of the earliest antisemitic sources came from a Greek speaking Egyptian priest living in the early third century BCE named Manetho. Manetho wrote a history of Egypt, devoting a section to the Israelites and the Exodus. Much of Manetho’s writing has been lost but was referenced by the ancient Jewish historian Josephus.

In his version of events, Manetho turned the Exodus story upside downiv.
He wrote that the gods despised the Jews.
That's cool and all but Exodus never happened and has been debunked by modern scholars. They were not enslaved by the Ancient Egyptians.
Another form of attack alluded to what the pagan world perceived as the strangeness of Jewish practises. The concept of taking one day off each week for the Sabbath was seen as ridiculous, particularly when applied to the lower classes and slaves. That many Jews throughout the Roman Empire were poor only added to derision
Romans had days off for festivals, even ones where slaves could participate. Don't try to act like you invented days off. I've never heard the claim of Jews being impoverished in the Roman Empire.
Circumcision and abstaining from eating pork were also misunderstood and considered “barbaric.”
The Romans called all foreigners barbarians. Northerners like Gauls and Germanics were called barbaric because of wearing pants. It's not antisemitism.
 
There is a distinct lack of any mention of usury. Many ancient civs like the Romans didn't charge interests for loans (you become a client to the loaner and do favors for him instead), but jews did charge interest for their loans which didn't exactly endear them to the locals.
Also the torah bans usury among jews but its ok for a jew to charge a gentile
 
That’s an overly simplistic view of it. There had been tensions grumbling of many years. The Jews provoked the romans and romans leaned heavily on the Jews.
The Roman garrison at Jerusalem being massacred, the zealots, the Sicarii, the leaders wanting a messianic leader - all those things meant the romans came down on them like a ton of bricks. If Nero hadn’t dropped dead at a crucial point it’d probably have just fizzled out but Vespasian was determined to finish the job
There was a lot more to it than just withholding the daily sacrifice to the emperors gods.
The corrupt elite priest class end up doing shit and the average innocent peasant gets massacred - that’s a tale that spans religions, countries and millenia.
The map misses out Norway.
in fact at one point the jews were the only client state to have an explicit exemption to the offerings to the roman pantheon. The republic just viewed the jews as weird but did give them a relatively open hand. A lot more open than the Christians got later on in the empire.
 
If the entire world has hated you since the dawn of time in every corner of land, then perhaps you should come to terms with the notion that you're in denial of the truth.
 
Islam is a very young religion, which briefly managed the ‘ok, do what you’re doing, just pay us taxes and you’re not quite as liked’ approach. Pragmatic, in other words. Rather like the romans letting people keep local customs as long as they weren’t Carthage level horror and they paid taxes.
The Muslim world now isn’t terribly fond of Israel.
I dont really have a dog in this fight and I’m not rabidly anti Jewish. I just find it curious that there’s been such hatred for so long. The romans are said to have salted the earth around Carthage, so determined they were to wipe out its inhabitants.
I can’t think of any other group that has had this. It doesn’t say much about individuals, like I say, I’m a woman who wouldn’t want to be put back in the kitchen but I can see why female voting for liberal daddy-state policies helps to wreck societies. It’s made me ponder why some societies keep women on a short leash and why others didn’t so much. Ditto why sexual non-normal behaviour is so taboo. We seem to se wit these days as people being old prudes but our ancestors were probably a lot more practical
Islam is a Jewish religion splinter sect adopted by Arabs who wanted to be more autistic about legalism despite the fact they rewrote the texts.
 
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Whenever people go with the 109 countries meme it always sounds so ridiculous, like a group that was spread throughout Europe for 2000 years and was outright demonized in the Christian bible would have of fucking course have a complex history. Especially when Christians had just about the same rocky relations with different sects of their own religions.

Also Hitler thought Anglos were one of the Master Races, let that sink in.
 
Whenever people go with the 109 countries meme it always sounds so ridiculous, like a group that was spread throughout Europe for 2000 years and was outright demonized in the Christian bible would have of fucking course have a complex history. Especially when Christians had just about the same rocky relations with different sects of their own religions.

Also Hitler thought Anglos were one of the Master Races, let that sink in.
The reasons for exile also vary. The one from Spain in 1492 was due to it being the Reconquista under Isabel and Ferdinand. The money taken from the exiled Jews was then used in part to fund Christopher Columbus and his trade route to Asia discovery of the Americas.

In Ancient Rome, there were a few Jewish revolts, and Romans were generally okay with Jews unless they revolted. The consequences of these revolts resulted in destruction of the Temple and the siege of Masada.

With Christians, the Romans didn’t like them mainly for being too new. It rejected the polytheism of Rome, but differed from the more established Jewish religion. It took until the Edict of Milan in the 4th century under Constantine to finally legalize Christianity in the Roman Empire.

All in all, religious history isn’t very cut and dry, and the “exile out of 109 countries” is too simplistic. Not saying all of them may have been unwarranted, but the exiles would happen for various reasons. Some exiles happened around the Black Plague, for instance, as Jews were often blamed for carrying it and poisoning the wells with it.
 
The last ten years have given me a lot to think about. I’m a woman, so I’m not exactly keen on being chattel, but I also can’t deny that it’s female voting and behaviour patterns driving quite a bit of this modern day liberal shit. That’s a conundrum.
I’ve also thought more about WHY we hate some groups, have taboos etc. it would for society to think about these things more. Why were gays persecuted? becasue individuals may have been decent but as a group they spread disease. Our modern society tells us that all past taboos are simply grounded in some kind of primitive ‘badness’ and we should get rid of them all.
But before you remove a fence you must ask why it is there.
Anyway. It’s very interesting that as a group they have been persecuted so very much, by so many different cultures. I do wonder why.
I see this, but I also have very successful and wealthy male members of my family that hold strongly the same stupid beliefs attributed to white women. When I call them out, they get extremely buttmad and then say they are just too busy and don't have the luxury I do to spend time examining these things - therefore I am wrong because they just don't want to bother - these are again men.
 
In his version of events, Manetho turned the Exodus story upside downiv. Instead of a tale of Jewish liberation from Egyptian slavery, Manetho wrote a scathing version where the Egyptian gods expelled the Israelites to purify Egypt. Before expulsion, the Jews under a rogue prince named Moses, terrorized the Egyptian people, and blasphemed their gods.
You know that fits a lot with the story of the hyksos which while they weren't specifically jewish they were semites from the levant, and given that the jewish religion is a mishmash of several older semite myths and stories (sargon origin story as moses', utnapishtim=noah, abraham being originall from Ur) is it not possible the exodus is just the story of the hyksos but from the hyksos' perspective? which then passed on to the jews?.

Consider that Manetho had access to historical records that plain don't exist anymore, and even jewish archeologists admit the tanakh is not a reliable historical document.
With Christians, the Romans didn’t like them mainly for being too new. It rejected the polytheism of Rome, but differed from the more established Jewish religion
No, the problem with the christians is that they would proselytize, heavily, and openly call the gods of rome and everybody else fake and even evil. The jews didn't proselytize, if you wanted to join you had to approach them, not the other way around. Plus jews were more flexible, they would tell the romans their god was like jupiter so they were worshiping jupiter, ergo no need to start a fight.
 
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Whenever people go with the 109 countries meme it always sounds so ridiculous, like a group that was spread throughout Europe for 2000 years and was outright demonized in the Christian bible would have of fucking course have a complex history. Especially when Christians had just about the same rocky relations with different sects of their own religions.

Also Hitler thought Anglos were one of the Master Races, let that sink in.
Big parts of the New Testament were aimed at Jewish Christians. The idea that the Bible is anti-Jew is a complete myth even if part of it is about the Jews in charge fucking up again.
 
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