Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

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Almost arguably Ryan Gosling, because he had a period where he was in random stuff and really isn't that much of a star beyond internet autists screeching "he's just like meee" due to Drive and Bladerunner.
 
FaramirG said:
Why did Nolan think that hiding incriminating evidence in his own house was a good idea? Bury it on the moon or something.
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Shit, I'd toss it into the volcano if I were him.

FaramirG said:
The problem is that this is never how it works out in real life. When an advanced colonial power rolls into town, the locals don't say "wow, look at that medical tech, let's let them enslave us!". 99 times out of 100 they try to either fight or work out an alliance. Nobody wants to be conquered, and they tolerate that only if they have no other options.

Also Mass Effect is a bad example because in that universe humanity did encounter an advanced alien empire, the Turians, which tried to conquer them, and humans fought back. Then the Asari/Salarians stepped in and forced the Turians to back down, and then they invited humanity to join Council/Citadel space, which is more of an "EU/NATO in space" than a single government.
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The problem is, they never truly defined what will happen if the Viltrumites waltz in. It could turn out to be similar to what happened with Spain and the Indians, where the Spanish take control of the land, but so long as the Indians follow the Spanish laws, they're left alone, which was how Omni-Man governed the bug race he took over. It could be what happened to the Indians under America where they were kicked out of their land and forced into reservations. It could be what happened with the conquered peoples under the Mongols where the initial conquest was brutal as fuck and entire nations got wiped off the face of the Earth, but they offset that with peace, trade, and protection for travelers. So we don't know if mankind dodged a bullet when Nolan left, or if they missed out on a great deal. But, knowing the writers and their penchant for woke stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if the Viltrumites are your standard "White Man's Burden" empire with a healthy dose of eradication and exploitation.

Also, Mass Effect is a relevant example because in exchange for humanity not getting their guts stomped out by the Turians, they had to submit to the rules and laws of the Citadel Council. Which meant that if a Council Spectre went inside an Alliance ship and killed everyone aboard, and he had a reason for it, (imagine that he claims them all to be Cerberus terrorists) that would be completely legal. So yeah, they were put through the same deal as Nolan would have put Earth through. It wasn't membership, it was subjugation, up until humanity finally earned a seat on the Council. If it wasn't for Sovereign's invasion, humanity would have remained second-class citizens, completely at the mercy of the Council and its Spectres.

6MillionCoofs said:
That's pretty much fact.

Any child star that gets big has...done things.
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Things that would make them cry themselves to sleep every night. But then again, they can't afford the same kind of lawyers that the Hollywood scumbags could afford, so their suffering is pretty much ignored.

Willie Thrills said:
Watched the series - yeah, it's mostly dull, except for Omni-Man doing shit.
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If it were up to me, I'd chuck the teen romance into the fire and have Amber break up with Mark early so we can spend more time with Omni-Man vacillating and trying to decide how best to tell the truth to Mark and Debbie. Heck, I'd even give him some more moments of doubt where he starts doubting the validity of his mission as a Viltrumite officer and starts to think that maybe, what he built on Earth is worth more than just conquest, only to shrug it off as the Earthlings are incapable of protecting themselves, and he decides that they would have better protection if they were subjects of the Viltrum Empire.
 
Gar For Archer said:
You’ve completely missed the point of what I said. This isn’t about authoritarianism vs. individualism, it’s about sovereignty against an invading foreign nation. You’d be hard-pressed to find a sovereign state that would WANT to be occupied if they had a choice in it - who the fuck is going to say “we’re totally fine with giving up the power to decide our own fates and let a foreign invader rule over us, they know how we should be living way better than we do!”
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The funny thing is the people who write this show probably don't really think self determination outweighs the benefits of better technology and a materially better off population. So if the Viltrumites really were going to just be benevolent rulers and give humanity a better standard of living the bugmen who create this stuff would be right on board with it because of their utilitarian views. Self determination as something worth retaining even at the cost of a lower standard of living doesn't really fit within the utilitarian framework, it's something that only people who have an attachment to their culture and customs would support because those immaterial things have just as much if not more value than materially better living standards.

You can see this attitude in other media too when people discuss it. The one that leaps immediately to mind is the Stormcloak vs Empire choice in Skyrim. I see a lot of arguments that the Empire is the superior choice because unity is good and that the Stormcloaks should just suck it up and accept their religion being surpressed by foreign occupants for the good of everyone. The idea that the supression of their native religion might in itself be an intolerable concession doesn't really cross their minds because again, it doesn't fit into the utilitarian analysis. You get peace and you get to stop going to church? For the redditor that's a win win, concerns like preserving a traditional way of life are not real considerations when weighed up against material outcomes.

So basically that's your answer for why the issue was dodged. If they acknowledged at any point that Nolan was going to rule Earth like he ruled the other planet he conquered the writers would have no choice but to admit that it would be morally correct to allow him to conquer Earth because they're unable to weigh up the value of independence and self determination vs having better living standards.
 
Zarael said:
The funny thing is the people who write this show probably don't really think self determination outweighs the benefits of better technology and a materially better off population. So if the Viltrumites really were going to just be benevolent rulers and give humanity a better standard of living the bugmen who create this stuff would be right on board with it because of their utilitarian views. Self determination as something worth retaining even at the cost of a lower standard of living doesn't really fit within the utilitarian framework, it's something that only people who have an attachment to their culture and customs would support because those immaterial things have just as much if not more value than materially better living standards.

You can see this attitude in other media too when people discuss it. The one that leaps immediately to mind is the Stormcloak vs Empire choice in Skyrim. I see a lot of arguments that the Empire is the superior choice because unity is good and that the Stormcloaks should just suck it up and accept their religion being surpressed by foreign occupants for the good of everyone. The idea that the supression of their native religion might in itself be an intolerable concession doesn't really cross their minds because again, it doesn't fit into the utilitarian analysis. You get peace and you get to stop going to church? For the redditor that's a win win, concerns like preserving a traditional way of life are not real considerations when weighed up against material outcomes.

So basically that's your answer for why the issue was dodged. If they acknowledged at any point that Nolan was going to rule Earth like he ruled the other planet he conquered the writers would have no choice but to admit that it would be morally correct to allow him to conquer Earth because they're unable to weigh up the value of independence and self determination vs having better living standards.
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I might be rusty on Skyrim lore, but the Stormcloaks fucking murder the legitimate ruler of the area and their rebellion plays right into the nazi elves hands, who themselves demanded the religion in the area be suppressed. Also I think the area was already ruled by the empire for couple of centuries by the, so it's not even removing a conquering army. The game also doesn't state those reasons outright and very heavily pushes you to sympathize with the Stormcloaks because "muh rebels". Just from a sane pragmatic standpoint they fail, if not from a moralistic and cultural reason.

If they did the subplot today you can be sure the leader of the Stormcloaks would have been a black lesbian nord with her harem of Agragonians and Khajits.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I might be rusty on Skyrim lore, but the Stormcloaks fucking murder the legitimate ruler of the area and their rebellion plays right into the nazi elves hands, who themselves demanded the religion in the area be suppressed. Also I think the area was already ruled by the empire for couple of centuries by the, so it's not even removing a conquering army. The game also doesn't state those reasons outright and very heavily pushes you to sympathize with the Stormcloaks because "muh rebels". Just from a sane pragmatic standpoint they fail, if not from a moralistic and cultural reason.

If they did the subplot today you can be sure the leader of the Stormcloaks would have been a black lesbian nord with her harem of Agragonians and Khajits.
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From what I remember the stormcloaks were super speciest against elves and other non-humanoids and the leader of the stormcloaks was a bag of dicks. Its poorly written regardless (because Bethesda can't write), but I am not so sure on your account of it.
 
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Still, despite all the good this show has, I'm quite surprised that so many people were taken aback at the idea of evil super-beings like the Viltrumites. Especially people from the 90s generation, who grew up with Dragon Ball Z, where the Saiyans were far more powerful and cruel. I mean, I can buy that people who were born in the 2000s would be utterly shocked at Nolan's strength and ruthlessness, but people born in the 90s grew up with shows like DBZ, where we had guys like Vegeta who were ten times as ruthless as Nolan, not to mention more powerful.


Prior to the Android Saga, Vegeta had almost no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Nolan at least, loved his wife and son enough to the point where he left instead of killing them. Vegeta would have never done that, if Vegeta was in Nolan's place. He would also have planned to eventually kill off Thragg so he can take control of the Viltrumite throne, since Vegeta planned on killing Freeza eventually once he became strong enough.
 
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just finished watching this, so Nolan sees Debbie as a pet, so is he a degenerate by Viltrumite standards or is fucking your pets acceptable in Viltrum?
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I might be rusty on Skyrim lore, but the Stormcloaks fucking murder the legitimate ruler of the area and their rebellion plays right into the nazi elves hands, who themselves demanded the religion in the area be suppressed. Also I think the area was already ruled by the empire for couple of centuries by the, so it's not even removing a conquering army. The game also doesn't state those reasons outright and very heavily pushes you to sympathize with the Stormcloaks because "muh rebels". Just from a sane pragmatic standpoint they fail, if not from a moralistic and cultural reason.

If they did the subplot today you can be sure the leader of the Stormcloaks would have been a black lesbian nord with her harem of Agragonians and Khajits.
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The saying goes that if you're not a Stormcloack when you're young, you have no heart and if you're not Empire when you're old, you have no brain.
 
Mary the Goldsmith said:
just finished watching this, so Nolan sees Debbie as a pet, so is he a degenerate by Viltrumite standards or is fucking your pets acceptable in Viltrum?
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Seen this plot point before and usually the answer is yes is it acceptable for human and humanoid pets. Lesser nonhumanoid pets however....
Granted I haven't watch or read Invincible so am guessing here.
 
Uranus Pink said:
Seen this plot point before and usually the answer is yes is it acceptable for human and humanoid pets. Lesser nonhumanoid pets however....
Granted I haven't watch or read Invincible so am guessing here.
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"Wait, you see mom as a pet!?"
"Yes, Mark, I do."
"Oh god... Please don't tell me what you've been doing to the dog."
 
I finally decided to watch this show, and have finished episode five.
Honestly, I’m really liking it even though there’s a lot of 🤔 moments I’m not to keen on.
Obviously Omniman is the best character, Simmons knocked that one out of the park, but the demon was also fucking sweet and I’m a sucker for a well written robot. Some of the action scenes are really good, but they really have to rely on music and framing and concept because the animation is a bit choppy looking.
My personal favorite action scene so far has to be a tie between Omniman destroying the Flaxons and the rock man fighting a warehouse full of criminals.
The thing that really makes me go ‘eeeehh’ is, of course, the Technically Legal Loli and how I think the robot wants to fuck it.
I guess we’ll see how it goes.
 
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