Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

[The handsome tard]

I hate "aura farming" so fucking much. it's another cover for bad writing.

that word doesn't even mean anything besides character standing around doing jack shit

At least it allows for some cool shots like this



He is just standing there...


AWESOMELY!!!

Mark becoming a conqueror could have worked if the story had been building towards that, but that would require Kirman to admit people are not blank slates, which then would lead to uncomfortable questions about the nature of race and how it plays into the behavior of humans, and other sentient races.

Turns out Earth born and earthling viltrumite hybrids tend to be far more heroic and empathetic than their full blooded Viltrum native counterparts

What did Kirkmann mean by this?

This pisses me off to no end, so many fictional universes just treat angels as winged humans with a few superpowers, usually portrayed in a negative light, or as naive buffoons being led around the nose by God.

When I think of an angel, I think divine, absolute power made manifest.

Isn’t it crazy how Dragon Ball Super was able to stick closer to that by having the angels be borderline unbeatable ? Kirkmann is a sperg so he loves to have his OCs wipe the floor with characters from other pre-established IPs (its literally a corporate version of "my character I just made up can beat eeeeeveryone!").

May I remind you that Kirkmann said with a straight face that Superman gets folded by Mark or Omniman, cant remember which.

You could argue it was satire or him just hyping it up his characters for the meme and discussion but knowing him? Ngl, chances are, he meant what he said.

“I heard you were crazy, I didn't think you were stupid.”

Spiderman 2099 had an ending funnily enough, where he becomes space hitler and sets off to conquer the stars or something.
And it was one of the few character endings marvel respected for a long while, to the point that every time he would show up in other media they just said it was a version of him from the past and not spider hitler.

Something tells me they wont mention that in Beyond the Spiderverse...

 

[MrLisReal]

I think the only way to salvage Western comics in general, and capeshit in particular, besides sending everyone currently drawing, writing, editing and publishing them to death camps, is to adopt the manga model.

Personally I think the best way forward would just be to completely steal from the manga industry. Instead of a bunch of floppy issues that don’t sell, compile them all into an anthology magazine and sell it for like 5 bucks. Then, the good, popular stories get compiled into paperbacks and the crap ones get canceled. But the comic industry is allergic to doing anything to save itself so fuck it.

 

[God of Nothing]

At least it allows for some cool shots like this

it's funny because piccolo is the secondary vegeta, not even the primary one

Turns out Earth born and earthling viltrumite hybrids tend to be far more heroic and empathetic than their full blooded Viltrum native counterparts

Is it any coincidence mestizo Central and South Americans live in places with technology while pure blooded native descendants still live in run down reservations?

 

[Cave Fisher]

Anyway, if you've not injected yourself with liquid mercury, here's man of the people prime time talking about how little a fuck he gives about DC events nowadays (prior to him becoming popular from saying this and being lobotomized into Gwenpool but Superman a few years later)
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I still can't believe they published the audience insert character saying "fuck this, this is dogshit."

I'm not much of a comic guy, but every panel from this run has me convinced that the vast majority of capeshit comics is just raping the same few characters and endless variations of them for the rest of time.

 

[God of Nothing]

I'm not much of a comic guy, but every panel from this run has me convinced that the vast majority of capeshit comics is just raping the same few characters and endless variations of them for the rest of time.

well, yeah

 

[demicolon]

Not catched up fully with thread, but to answer a common question:
Viltrum was an empire... until the plague wiped them out. The fact only 50 Viltrumites remain alive is a closely guarded secret. You could assume they had hundreds of subservient alien races, but it would be all in the past and in background. Their social darwinism idiocy is Thragg's fault, presumably they've been brutal but sensible overlords before he took command after the genocide. They probably also weren't superhuman by default, but made themselves such with tech advancement and after they could just punch all their problems away they just... stopped developing, forgetting over time how to work it and leaving it to their underlings. The way Thragg treats the bug planet (late spoilers) supports the idea that once a planet submits to Viltrum, they actually do protect them from outside threats and make sure they prosper, so there could be many races who joined them if not willingly, then by necessity.
Once Viltrum got wiped out, presumably most of their allies cut them off or simply lost contact but again, it's all background speculation by me.

 

[demicolon]

Leftists basically killed a whole artistic medium that had existed for 100 years in less than 20.

Don't think it's leftists' fault; IMO it's more about how devoid of imagination superhero comics are.

The French made comics like Torgall and Simon du Lac, which are respectively about a mortal viking child of the Aesir (who are aliens) living in medieval Scandinavia and about the titular Simon wandering around pretty much the Fallout universe (I know Fallout cribbed a lot of stuff from it).

Americans made Superman, Batman, other jobbers and endless crossovers between them with maybe 1 thing changed (what if Batman killed people/Joker was sane/Superman was evil etc.) which are jaw-breakingly boring.

Why can't we have more works like the Joker movie, Red Son, Batman Beyond, anything that does something new and fresh with the source material? Why nobody bothers to pen a story about Superman landing in Ancient Greece 50 BC, being hailed as the reincarnation of Heracles, struggling to fight off the Roman Republic led by Gaius Luxius Luthorius Caesar? Where Batman is Archimedes' son who doesn't trust either side and does his own thing? Where Joker is Caligula after the brain damage? 80s manga did it all the time, telling the same stories more or less but setting them in the wildest places. Only recently it stagnated in the same way by shitting out isekai highschool romance slop ad nauseum.

My guess is it'd require at least rudimentary history knowledge, and western comic writers' mental diet consists of western comics only.

 

[GeorgeSmarty]

Not catched up fully with thread, but to answer a common question:
Viltrum was an empire... until the plague wiped them out. The fact only 50 Viltrumites remain alive is a closely guarded secret. You could assume they had hundreds of subservient alien races, but it would be all in the past and in background. Their social darwinism idiocy is Thragg's fault, presumably they've been brutal but sensible overlords before he took command after the genocide. They probably also weren't superhuman by default, but made themselves such with tech advancement and after they could just punch all their problems away they just... stopped developing, forgetting over time how to work it and leaving it to their underlings. The way Thragg treats the bug planet (late spoilers) supports the idea that once a planet submits to Viltrum, they actually do protect them from outside threats and make sure they prosper, so there could be many races who joined them if not willingly, then by necessity.
Once Viltrum got wiped out, presumably most of their allies cut them off or simply lost contact but again, it's all background speculation by me.

The point was more that the show made it look like the entire Viltrumite empire are just 300 abused pokemon servants, because the writers likely never put much thought into it.

Don't think it's leftists' fault; IMO it's more about how devoid of imagination superhero comics are.

People here like randomly complaining about woketards and jews, but if DC would finally hire good editors and authors that can actually do their job they honestly can be as woke and jewish as they want to be.

 

[The handsome tard]

Personally I think the best way forward would just be to completely steal from the manga industry. Instead of a bunch of floppy issues that don’t sell, compile them all into an anthology magazine and sell it for like 5 bucks

....Sooo...basically what they did way back when with Action comics, detective comics, Tales to Astonish and so onwards? Most classic super heroes had their beginning in them pulp comics, almost like "pilots" of sorts.

It would be rather interesting to see comics return to that, truly a "time is a flat fucking circle" moment.

Why can't we have more works like the Joker movie, Red Son, Batman Beyond, anything that does something new and fresh with the source material? Why nobody bothers to pen a story about Superman landing in Ancient Greece 50 BC, being hailed as the reincarnation of Heracles, struggling to fight off the Roman Republic led by Gaius Luxius Luthorius Caesar? Where Batman is Archimedes' son who doesn't trust either side and does his own thing? Where Joker is Caligula after the brain damage?

Iirc, there was a story where if Superman landed in medieval Earth but, not only that, his parents were able to go along with him, leading the House of EL becoming an actual kingdom led by two seemingly indestructable king and queen along with their prince.

It was pretty unique.

Is it any coincidence mestizo Central and South Americans live in places with technology while pure blooded native descendants still live in run down reservations?

My lawyer adviced me to not answer in a way that offends *checks notes* "Everyone*"

But I will say that skin tones, IQ, security and quality of life tend to decrease the closer you get to a favella, which is just a coincidence.

*currently under [Censored] funded protection

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Triple-posting -
Something to lighten the mood. The youtube link:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qwRSz7O-wVA

Honestly this exposes an issue with kaiju fighting superheroes


It looks kind of silly when your enemy is an ant sized super fast and super durable person. Its like two brands of unrealism are clashing together and kind of looks absurd. Its like when Tom the cat has his ass kicked by Jerry when he has super strength or something.

 

[Mystery Spy]

Have a dedicated team write the story of a character variant with a definitive beginning, middle and end. No crossovers, no shared continuity, no spreading the plot across a multitude of various runs, issues, characters etc.

This is the smartest solution I've ever heard by far.

I have noticed that the average DC fans solution is to just become autistic dictators. Spend hours doing world building, rearranging the origins of each character, their powers, and the rules of the universe and lore to an insane degree, because they are just after the high of being in charge. Hell, even people in the industry think the solution is a magic reboot made to cater to their own tastes. The editors aren't any better. The same power tripping except "it's official."

And the few that do anything with it only really care about Batman and their big name favorites. So all the reboots, or reimaginings, amount to squat except killing the creativity of people that would do something that contradicts the autism.

In simple terms, maybe an obnoxious fat guy who just wants to play with the Batman toys shouldn't decide who is going to be the members of the Teen Titans or themembers and status of the Green Lantern corps. Shouldn't that be the person that's actually going to make comics about them get to decide? Or better yet, like you said everyone do what they want in their own turf?

I wouldn't discount a crossover in the sense that everyone should play with their own toys in their own playground. But not in the "we all should share the same toy" sense. Kid flash showed up in the Teen Titans cartoons without affecting the DCAU.