Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

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Oilspill Battery said:
Saying that "The only thing invincible has going for it is that you don't need to read a dozen comics to get it" is like saying "The only reason you don't drop dead this instant is because the room you're in has oxygen."

This is literally the reason comics are dying and manga is taking over. Its not that the writing is astronomically superior (that said the abyssal writing in comics doesn't help) its that comics are an impenetrable brick wall.

Not only is it slop, its inaccessible slop. You can't approach it and even if you could, you have no reason to.
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Thing is, Marvel and DC on occasion show that they understand this and they make more self-contained comic book runs like Absolute or Ultimate.
But then some faggot ruins the runs entirely for no reason, inevitably.

I genuinely don't even know if DC are aware how reviled their big event crossovers end up being.
 
regalterry said:
When I think of an angel, I think divine, absolute power made manifest.
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It's so annoying that countless stories do EVERYTHING they can with demons, but I swear I've never seen a story actually make angels, the envoys and warriors of god, cool when it should be very, very easy. There's a new setting every week about demonic cities and hierarchies, but I genuinely can't recall a single series at the top of my head that actually worldbuilds heaven to any degree more significant than people going there when they die.
 
Cave Fisher said:
It's so annoying that countless stories do EVERYTHING they can with demons, but I swear I've never seen a story actually make angels, the envoys and warriors of god, cool when it should be very, very easy. There's a new setting every week about demonic cities and hierarchies, but I genuinely can't recall a single series at the top of my head that actually worldbuilds heaven to any degree more significant than people going there when they die.
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Hollywood writers are demonic faggots. They're taught to write what they know, so...
 
Oilspill Battery said:
Saying that "The only thing invincible has going for it is that you don't need to read a dozen comics to get it" is like saying "The only reason you don't drop dead this instant is because the room you're in has oxygen."

This is literally the reason comics are dying and manga is taking over. Its not that the writing is astronomically superior (that said the abyssal writing in comics doesn't help) its that comics are an impenetrable brick wall.

Not only is it slop, its inaccessible slop. You can't approach it and even if you could, you have no reason to.
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I think that is the reason why The Dark Knight Returns is still popular, because it just is an actual fucking send off to a popular character, something that comic heroes usually never get. (Also yes I know it technically isn't part of any main continuity but who the fuck cares.)

Western super hero comics are just such a weirdly unique thing where after basically a century of not being allowed to permanently kill of popular characters (which basically includes everyone who normies know) and having to reboot storylines to clean up continuity it is just such a weird interconnected mess that is just too daunting for new readers, or in genral anyone that wants to engage with something without having to read a journal.

Funnily enough even reddit DC fans seem to agree that the brand imploded after the Metal Saga shenanigans.

Invincible basically being cleaned up DC lite with a bit of Dragonball is a fun concept, but like many authors that copy stuff they like Kirkman ends up repeating some flaws of his source material, like having big catastrophic events that have seemingly no lasting impact except when the story says so, or has them in an inverted form, like how instead of having to read tons of comics about different characters to know what's going on he has multiple important characters in his single main storyline, but most of them are underdeveloped. (Like what is the deal with the two black guys that wear a purple and a yellow suit, they just seem to exist and that's it.)
 
Cave Fisher said:
It's so annoying that countless stories do EVERYTHING they can with demons, but I swear I've never seen a story actually make angels, the envoys and warriors of god, cool when it should be very, very easy. There's a new setting every week about demonic cities and hierarchies, but I genuinely can't recall a single series at the top of my head that actually worldbuilds heaven to any degree more significant than people going there when they die.
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In his 90s JLA series, Grant Morrison had an invading army of angels descending upon Earth. Of particular note is blue electric Superman wrestling the lead angel. Zauriel, a former guardian angel and then-stand-in for Hawkman, eventually joined the JLA.

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Funnily enough I actually like the Metal Saga.

Modern day DC comics always just danced around the fact that over time they just became increasingly goofy-edgy shlock, but the metal Saga just publically embraces what DC has become without any false pretenses, including a main antagonist who is the dysfunctional living embodiment of decades lasting Joker and Batman simping from fans.

The story actually ripped of the tattered mask from the demented face of the brand so it could have fun for one last time while riding a nuke into a volcano.
 
GeorgeSmarty said:
Funnily enough I actually like the Metal Saga.

Modern day DC comics always just danced around the fact that over time they just became increasingly goofy-edgy shlock, but the metal Saga just publically embraces what DC has become without any false pretenses, including a main antagonist who is the dysfunctional living embodiment of decades lasting Joker and Batman simping from fans.

The story actually ripped of the tattered mask from the demented face of the brand so it could have fun for one last time while riding a nuke into a volcano.
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you need help, my nigger
this isn't healthy, safe, or sane
 
God of Nothing said:
you need help, my nigger
this isn't healthy, safe, or sane
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I said I like it, not that I think it's good, lol.

But no person on this planet can tell me that reading a super serious Batman story where they unironically introduce a Batman metal called Batmanium and somehow absolutely nobody involved stopped for two seconds and thought "wait, that's retarded" isn't funny.

If you have a trash factory then the guy who just decides to burn down the entire thing is more funny than the other people that just produce more trash.
 
In a way it's like Sonichu, but unlike the former it doesn't just gives a weird insight into the demented mind of a single person but of an entire decades old brand.
 
Anyway, if you've not injected yourself with liquid mercury, here's man of the people prime time talking about how little a fuck he gives about DC events nowadays (prior to him becoming popular from saying this and being lobotomized into Gwenpool but Superman a few years later)
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I still can't believe they published the audience insert character saying "fuck this, this is dogshit."
 
Symbol of the Chud said:
Anyway, if you've not injected yourself with liquid mercury, here's man of the people prime time talking about how little a fuck he gives about DC events nowadays (prior to him becoming popular from saying this and being lobotomized into Gwenpool but Superman a few years later)
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I still can't believe they published the audience insert character saying "fuck this, this is dogshit."
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There are many parts of the comic that are weirdly self aware.

Many fans complained that the Batman who laughs is trash and Owlman is a much better evil version of Batman, but then the comic has Owlman saying straight up the exactly same thing word for word in the actual comic like the authors just copied a random forum post.
 
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GeorgeSmarty said:
Many fans complained that the Batman who laughs is trash and Owlman is a much better evil version of Batman, but then the comic has Owlman saying straight up the exactly same thing word for word in the actual comic like the authors just copied a random forum post.
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That was hilarious

Owlman flat out calls TBWL boring and poorly written and that's why he'll die but Owlman will always come back.

They did the "supersane" Joker shit. Again.
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
That was hilarious

Owlman flat out calls TBWL boring and poorly written and that's why he'll die but Owlman will always come back.

They did the "supersane" Joker shit. Again.
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It has been some time since I read it on a piracy site, but didn't have comic a jab at editors by introducing the cosmic deity jannies that will reset anything anyways so ultimately nothing that happens matters? Sometimes I wasn't sure if I was laughing at the comic or together with it.
 
regalterry said:
The zoomers are all reading manga and watching anime, the only audience comic books have nowadays are woketards (that don't buy anything) and the buckbroken faggots that have been subjecting themselves to the hobby for decades and wouldn't know what to do without it, and they're a dying bred in the most literal sense.
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The funny part is that I just saw a Dragon Ball fan getting flack for comparing the story to Invincible. The Invincible fans just ganged up on that guy, triggering another X thread battle.
 
I do find it pretty funny that the two most popular comic book shows right now are both based on comics from 20 fuckin' years ago.
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
I do find it pretty funny that the two most popular comic book shows right now are both based on comics from 20 fuckin' years ago.
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Because that's how long the Western comic book industry has been an irradiated, post-apocalyptic wasteland.

I remember reading reports a decade ago that many comic book stores didn't bother stocking comic issues anymore, pivoting instead towards manga, card games like MtG or Yu-Gi-Oh, games etc., since nobody was buying the shit anymore. if they did stock comics, it was a tiny section of the few runs that were selling, and those were relegated to the back of the store where nobody could see you actually purchasing the trash.

You had reports of stores giving some issues away for free and nobody bothering to pick them up, and distributors going to Marvel and DC and outright telling them that it was more profitable to ship toilet paper than comic books.

Leftists basically killed a whole artistic medium that had existed for 100 years in less than 20.

I think the only way to salvage Western comics in general, and capeshit in particular, besides sending everyone currently drawing, writing, editing and publishing them to death camps, is to adopt the manga model.

Have a dedicated team write the story of a character variant with a definitive beginning, middle and end. No crossovers, no shared continuity, no spreading the plot across a multitude of various runs, issues, characters etc.

That way fascist Batman could coexist along with faggot Batman, without either fandom having to interact with each other in any meaningful capacity, and authors would be free to explore a variety of different genre, stories, tropes etc. Now fascist Batman can actually do the logical thing and kill his antagonists when they go too far without forcing the writing team to come up with ways to resurrect them, events can actually have lasting effects on the plot, and there can be consequences.

If you then want to branch out and add spinoffs or sequels to the more popular version of a character, then you could do so easily without creating a domino effect that would impact other characters since they're not forced to share the same continuity.
 
So long as comics ape manga without actually having good writing, they're still going to lose. Invincible coasts almost entirely by its novelty. People here and on /co/ have pointed out the sheer amount of plot convenience and stupidity happens, particularly for all of its second half.
 
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