Amazon Studios to develop series based on Fallout

[DeadwastePrime]

i dont care if that one shot was fan service, it was fucking cool and anyone telling me otherwise should be put on a cross in the mojave

 

[>IMPLYING]

i dont care if that one shot was fan service, it was fucking cool and anyone telling me otherwise should be put on a cross in the mojave

I know this is extremely autistic of me, or means my standards are too high, but I couldn't find it cool due to a combination of factors.
1) The bullet comes out too slow. It spins and hovers in the air for a few lingering seconds in front of the barrel before hitting another deathclaw. In contrast, the cutscene of the game has the explosion be the focus as the bullet travels out of frame to emphasise a cool visual before re-joining it hitting a Fiend.

2) The shot they chose doesn't emphasise the length of the barrel, making the impressive AMR look rather piddly from the front-on perspective. Because we can't see its silhouette, there's no way to intuit why this gun is any more impressive than the one Thaddeus is using. It's not at all helped by the perspective also making the bullet appear similarly piddly.


3) Set at night, the ranger's eyes glow red as he turns on night vision or some other advanced optic. It manages to make the ranger expressive despite a lack of face. The promptness of: comes up -> switches on optic -> aims -> fires -> hits does help emphasise the competency of the character alongside his coolness. In the show, it's broad daylight, the ranger is static, and holds his aim for a while before finally firing. There's no actual character to the shot itself, both from a visual sense but also in the character taking said shot. He's also leaning on a bipod and crate, implying some measure of setup prior to the shot which detracts from the immediacy of the situation.

4) Personal thing, but I really don't like the look of the ranger duster in the show. It just looks too orange, like it was made of felt or something, not leather. The shoulder pads also not being leather themselves but iron or something also detracts.

It's like they combined the duster with the shoulder pads of the base-game ranger armour, which is a mistake of course because the ranger armour looks like shit.



My rule of cool is more contentious though. I found Maximus crawling out of his armour ready to fight with a pool cue kind've cool, I only wish the denizens of Freeside actually helped him out after such an inspiring act but the show's fucking stupid, unfortunately, and it retroactively sours its own moments.

"You realise if he loses, we all die?" -> "Keep me down for 20."
"He's just a kid." -> "Let's take back our town." -> "I'm not gonna do that."

I don't care if it's derivative of Spider Man 2, I legit would've liked a scene of Freeside citizens holding off the Deathclaws after Maximus' genuinely heroic display.

 

[kiwirevolving]

I wonder if we'll get to see Coop pass through Zion and New Canaan or if they are just going to teleport him around again like they did in Season 2 straight to Denver

I enjoyed season 2, but it taught me to temper my expectations. I was expecting to see more of the locations from New Vegas (we didn't even see Goodsprings and Hoover Dam and Primm was only shown from far away and in one of the credits)

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

4) Personal thing, but I really don't like the look of the ranger duster in the show. It just looks too orange, like it was made of felt or something, not leather. The shoulder pads also not being leather themselves but iron or something also detracts.

The Rangers in the show look like they have the shoulder pads from the Riot Gear in lonesome road, which is strange.

A lot of the props this season felt kinda half assed, excluding the T-45 power armor. Actually, I don't think a single M16/AR15 type rifle is actually seen with the NCR, only bolt actions and AK Pattern rifles.

 

[El Chacal De La Trompeta]

Can this band if freaks travel to the capital or the commonweatlth so the show can stop raping New Vegas corpse?

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

So... who got Hover Dam in the end?

 

[Libtardism Is Over]

I was already 100% convinced that shillbots were shilling this show all over the Internet back when S1 came out in early 2024, but now I'm 10,000% convinced. Even normiecattle wouldn't lap this up on their own accord.

S2E8
The NCR battalion mentioned earlier in the season is real, the Black NCR lady and one of her rangers shows up to save Maximus after his Power Armor is disabled. There is a shot recreating the intro to New Vegas with a Ranger slow mo shooting a Deathclaw with a Anti-Material Rifle.
Steph married Hank pre-war in Vegas, and the item she wanted from the keepsake box is a Enclave Pip-Boy. How Mr House didn't know what the Enclave was, despite them having their own Pip Boy's is a mystery.
Hank says he sent out numerous brainwashed people into the wasteland to fulfil The Enclave's plans before wiping his memory via a control chip.
Culkin retrieves Caesar's body, revealing the note to read "I am Caesar, I am Legion, It dies with me." He kills the soldier who see's him holding the note and then eats the note, destroying it.
The Legion is marching on Vegas at the end of the episode.
Cooper is heading to Colorado to find his family, Barbara left him a postcard in her empty Cyropod. My Enclave in Cheyenne Mountain Complex theory is almost certainly true.
The Enclave has been listening to radio transmissions since the start of the season and probably the entire series, their base from Season 1 is seen again and it's in the Mountains.
Cooper gets arrested for Unamerican Activities after coming home from Vegas, he tells Barbara to let him take the blame, and he does. This likely leads to their implied divorce and why she would be in Colorado.
Qunitus's Brotherhood is going to war against the other chapters, he says Qunitus the Unifier is dead, Qunitus the Destroyer is now born. He has plans for Liberty Prime.

Amazingly dogshit episode, Season 1 didn't leave this many cliffhangers, 99% of the plot lines in this season just end on Cliffhangers.

The Legion Remnants immediately crowd around Macaulay Culkin and proclaim him Caesar even before he leaves the tent. Also any FNV fan already knows this, but Edward Sallow the original Caesar literally had a succession plan: Lanius. And likely had a further line of successors. Sallow never indicated the Legion dies with him. Total lore break. My main gripes with the show doesn't even come from nitpicking their lore breaks, but this is a particularly egregious one.

No excuse for House supposedly being able to upload his consciousness. Why would he need Cold Fusion to make it work? Surely there's enough power from Hoover Dam. It's obviously a blatant retcon. No one can honestly claim this fits FNV's lore. But it's still sloppily done even if you view the show as its own universe separate from the original lore. There's no compelling drama when Cooper Howard can just defy him by tossing away the pipboy screen he's on.

NCR remnants function as plot device and a way for the showrunners to DEI signal.

Lucy walks outside the Lucky 38 with her father way too quickly. Obviously set up such that she could talk to Maximus shortly after. Also no emotional value in her conversation with her father (David Lynch's Paul Atreides) given how ridiculous his plans were in the first place and how nonsensical it was that he managed to take people from all over the wasteland to latch mind control devices on.

Also if Cooper Howard got arrested for serious allegations pre-war, how is he out with his daughter presumably in California when the bomb's drop on October 23, 2077? Is he out on bail? How would his wife Barbara even have left the Colorado note in the cryochamber? How would that even imply she and their daughter Janey is still alive? I don't think House even opened up the pod that said "Janey Howard"

 

[El Chacal De La Trompeta]

what happened to the nigger dyke, she is still alive?

 

[Internet War Criminal]

So, uh, nothing happened?

Like, genuinely, I’m struggling to think about anything that has happened with this season, aside from Lucy’s dad getting lobotomized. And the Enclave reveal, I guess. I mean the most kind thing you can say is they set up the NCR, Legion, House and Enclave for next season, but what the fuck does that show think it is? Game of Thrones?

Fucking retarded.

 

[Adam Basile Woodrow]

lol lmao cree fucking called it unironically

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

Also if Cooper Howard got arrested for serious allegations pre-war, how is he out with his daughter presumably in California when the bomb's drop on October 23, 2077? Is he out on bail?

It was almost certainly a intimidation tactic from the Enclave to keep Cooper quiet about what happened in Vegas, and it ruined his reputation enough that he was reduced to doing kid's birthday parties. They probably just ran his name through the mud in the press, dropped charges, and let him go.

How would his wife Barbara even have left the Colorado note in the cryochamber?

She got out of it and left the note behind. The end of the episode show's coop take the fall for what happened in Vegas, and since Barbara was the Enclave's mouthpiece within Vault-Tec it's reasonable to assume they would take her to Colorado.

How would that even imply she and their daughter Janey is still alive?

Because the post card is in her hand writing, it assumes Cooper is still alive, and it references somewhere they had talked about going prewar. Obviously you can assume it'll be a Fallout 4 situation where Barbara and Janey left the Vegas Vault decades before Cooper reached it, but I see no hints that it's a fake out.

I don't think House even opened up the pod that said "Janey Howard"

I'm pretty sure house did, and even if he didn't on screen it isn't exactly unreasonable to assume he opened it as well. EDIT: Checked the episode and they show Janey's pod open and empty.

Surely there's enough power from Hoover Dam.

I believe Hover Dam is not mentioned once in the entire season. No hints to it being around are made, and given the state of Vegas it probably isn't functional by the time of the show.

So... who got Hover Dam in the end?

The Republic of Dave

 

[Adam Basile Woodrow]

So... who got Hover Dam in the end?

Everyone and no one at the same time.

Call it Schrödinger's Dam.

 

[>IMPLYING]

The Rangers in the show look like they have the shoulder pads from the Riot Gear in lonesome road, which is strange.
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A lot of the props this season felt kinda half assed, excluding the T-45 power armor. Actually, I don't think a single M16/AR15 type rifle is actually seen with the NCR, only bolt actions and AK Pattern rifles.

I can only guess it's to make it look more visually interesting, but if they were gonna add the shoulder pads they could've at least muted the colour of the duster itself. My 'out there' theory is that the they designed it independently of the helmet. It's odd, but the armour actually looks fine without the helmet, and that's probably because they had to make the helmets large enough to slip on and off comfortably meaning they end up oversized or something. That's even if they slip on and aren't just a mask with the helmet itself meant to hide that it isn't an actual helmet.



Josh Sawyer actually explained the thought process behind designing the armour the way it was, and a part of me thinks they went a tad overboard with the "warm" aspect, hence the dull to bright orange of the duster.

Wes Burt (for Massive Black) developed the design. I shared your concerns, so there were a few things I requested to keep it from turning into Jin-Roh Part 53. First, I asked that he wear jeans and boots. I also requested that he should typically have a revolver or lever-action rifle with a bandoleer for bullets. Last, I asked for his jacket to be dark brown, not completely black. I wanted to pull some of the color elements toward warmer "cowboy" tones instead of strict neutrals. Wes is a really fantastic artist and I think he did a great job.

Even then what Sawyer went for isn't 1:1 represented in game, which makes me think they lifted the design from the box art or something and looked at the elite armour for reference because I can't imagine them thinking there's any variation in the game itself.

In-game helmet:

In-show:


The game version lacks a breathing tube and antenna. Those two features are only apart of the armour as depicted on the cover and other official illustrations.


I'm gonna stop here because this sperging is just piling more dirt onto an already hefty molehill and I don't want to make it a mountain. It's not too big of a deal, and they clearly tried to put in some fan service, but it still feels a tad half-arsed like you said.

So... who got Hover Dam in the end?

Considering Freeside was lauding the NCR, that would point to them being NCR citizens which would also point towards an NCR ending. The NCR also had a cache containing very advanced gear, the same sort of gear that Oliver was reluctant to allocate to the Mojave.

Caesar or Lanius couldn't have won it due to the complete absence of the Legion in Freeside itself (graffiti, banners, skeletons, etc). In one credits scene we see the Legion attack McCarren with a tank but considering these scenes can't be canon since it would mean Shady Sands was blown up in 2277, I think it's safe to say the Legion were repelled at Hoover Dam.

Independence is viable. Considering the Courier does fuck off in that ending and leaves everywhere to fend for itself, it means there's no unified or adequate response to the Deathclaws invading the Strip. Since the only appeal of the Strip is the security and gambling, when you take away those things the Strip is like anywhere else, so there's no real reason to do anything about the Deathclaws in this show's malevolent version of the Fallout universe. In an independence ending there's six authorities (variable) in Vegas: The Kings, The Followers of the Apocalypse, Yes Man, Omertas, White Gloves, Chairmen and as far as we can tell, they're all dead, which'd bring the tax-free anarchic Freeside depicted in the show. Since Victor is alive but Yes Man is nowhere to be seen, that means he was either uploaded and then destroyed or never left the hole in Benny's hotel room. Regardless, only 1 securitron and it's not Yes Man discounts the possibility of Independence.

House is sort've viable using a mishmash of elements from the Independence and NCR endings. He wanted to use the NCR's "society of customers" to enrich Vegas' economy, which would explain the NCR supporters in Freeside. If they were in Vegas when Shady Sands was nuked + Deathclaws fucked the Strip, then their plans, whatever they were, likely got fucked in the process thus marooning them in the Mojave.

If Vegas died, tourism would similarly follow and the number of traders going through the area would decrease due to the risk of raiders. In-game the Mojave prior to the House&3 families/NCR/Legion was a hellhole that justified the Boomer's liberal use of howitzers and a very easy to violate definition of the N.A.P. There's no reason to go there and considering what lawlessness looks like in Nevada (Primm just got "took over" when deprived of their sheriff for a single day) it's probably a no-brainer people would seek safety in numbers and head to Freeside.

Hoover Dam getting zero mention yet the Strip/Freeside remaining powered could also points to the Legion not getting control of it. I think they just destroy its ability to generate power should they take it but I could be wrong. There's also Helios 1 but there's no point trying to factor it in. It also discounts the evilest version of the Yes Man ending because the Courier can just to make it inoperable forever.

Most to least likely:
NCR > House > Independence >>>> Legion

Victor being alive is the main reason why Independence becomes unviable because Victor is tied to House and he usually dies in the process of trying to stop you killing him. House is probably the one who manages Victor and without House Victor disappears. The NCR reverence doesn't discount House but the presence of a heavily stocked NCR military cache when the NCR is struggling in FNV does. It would signify some sort of bolstered presence in the region that House wouldn't consent to, and would otherwise be a waste of resources when Oliver can barely squeak a few heavies onto Hoover Dam. The Legion not having some sort of presence, or evidence of such, beyond their camp discounts them making it across the dam.

One interesting note is that The Khans survived, and are in conflict with the Legion, meaning that one of their endings has more definitive proof for happening than the others.

The Khans survive in an ending where they side with the NCR against the Legion, and move to Idaho. However, that means the ending is unlikely, because in the show itself the Legion are at war with them. In an ending where they reconnect with the Followers of the Apocalypse, they instead move to Wyoming and form a "mighty empire".

The Khans were introduced in this season, mentioned to be at war with the Legion, and moving to Wyoming not only puts them in conflict the Legion due to the proximity of borders, but it also has them border Colorado where season 3 is probably going to spend a great deal of time (unless they give us another filler season and the Ghoul is just fucking around in Utah).

The Khans getting this fate would also support Independence and House endings since players supporting the Legion or NCR would get them a fate which sees them eradicated or pushed into Idaho with no real gains or improvements to speak of. It'd explain their sorry state in the show but not why the Legion is in conflict with them. By picking the "safest" ending for the Khans, they'll ironically make it easier to settle on a canon ending for New Vegas, which they probably want to avoid.

TLDR: NCR victory, House a close second, but Papa Khan survived and went to Wyoming.

No excuse for House supposedly being able to upload his consciousness. Why would he need Cold Fusion to make it work? Surely there's enough power from Hoover Dam. It's obviously a blatant retcon. No one can honestly claim this fits FNV's lore. But it's still sloppily done even if you view the show as its own universe separate from the original lore. There's no compelling drama when Cooper Howard can just defy him by tossing away the pipboy screen he's on.

Raul talks about House brain scanning some model chick and it apparently being tabloid trash. I think he could do it, but I doubt he would since it would inexorably tie his life to functionality of a bunch of computers. If he had relied primarily on a digitised consciousness he probably wouldn't have survived the nukes due to EMPs. His physical body is basically its own failsafe in the event of something like that hence his dormancy.

I don't think the writers had this in mind for the cold fusion thing, but with the introduction of a big robot that'll probably require said mcguffin to function, that may point to Mr House not surviving very long into Season 3. That's assuming they don't drag their feet again and create another filler-season and save it for the end. I've been wrong on a lot my predictions and I can't tell if what I predict is so bad not even they will do it, or it's beyond what they're capable of. I think in Episode 3 I made some very generous assumptions of how quick the plot would move along. For instance, I didn't think they'd show the Vault 31 dwellers getting attacked in the last episode, I thought it was an episode 5 event at the latest.

But yeah, Norm's story having a a shit ending is just one problem amongst others. I found Culkin's Legion scene to be very impotent. Couldn't he have found some growl in his chest or something? He basically soft-yelled his intent to invade Vegas. If Timothee Chalamet can sound like a warlord for 5 minutes in Dune, Culkin could've shouted a couple of lines. I'll blame the director for this over Culkin's acting ability, but he was sure as shit miscast, It's bizarre we never saw what happened to the other Caesars either, they're just gone now. It's probably because they would contest Culkin proclaiming himself the next Caesar without any proof. We also never spent any time with him so we have no idea why he wants the position anyway. Sure, it's "power" but people usually have reasons or justifications for wanting it, good or bad. Since we know nothing of Culkin's character (besides being generally "evil"), the only reason we're supposed to feel anything towards his proclamation is:
1) Legion bad
2) Culkin killed a slave and crucified Lucy meaning he bad too

With Lucy I was more bemused by her being able to insert the chip into Hank's neck more than anything, which is apparently a very simple procedure for what it is. It's a miniature version of the mind control device meaning it still latched into something, and in this case it's latching onto the base of the brain stem, meaning you'd need to be pretty precise with your incision, and making sure it actually connects. It also seemed rather out of character for her since, in my opinion, it's a tad more evil to do that than simply killing someone. You're enslaving someone (check), killing their identity and personality via memory erasure i.e. murder (check). If you think about it, tje device also penetrates the victim's body without consent, basically making it a rape.

Lucy enslaved, raped, and killed her own father.
And you thought your kids were a pain.

I was further bemused at how Hank had a second mind control button/switch connected to his own chip just hiding in his blazer pocket. Why'd he make a spare? Is it one remote, one chip, or is it one remote, any chip? Did Lucy not pat him down for a weapon or something? Or some other possibly important items like a key or something? I imagine he must've removed his jacket when inserting the chip but whatever. I'm going to laugh if he's just larping. How would she know he isn't? He inexplicably reacted to her tears one moment, then became a robot the next, then she left him at the base of the Lucky 38.

This ought to be Hank McClaine in the opening episode of season 3.

Regarding Cooper's arrest, the Enclave technically don't need to do more than make him unpalatable to the rest of the elites and less Communistic members of the military. And given Moldaver was only able to make use of him because of his fame, he's basically a devalued asset at that point and will probably be cut loose. I'm still thinking she was a member of the Enclave given she wanted House dead and the cold fusion procured, and thanks to Cooper one of those objectives was achieved. She got her use out of him, and he's unlikely to ever get near the real Mr House ever again.

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

In one credits scene we see the Legion attack McCarren with a tank

Just to "um actually" you here, It's likely a NCR tank given the way it's facing (defensively towards the front gates.)
I also wouldn't take the credit scenes all that seriously lore wise, since the assets used within are probably whatever the team had on hand. The Legion attacking McCarren makes little sense, so I'm just assuming it's a case of using on hand assets to create the scene. I think the general ideas of the scenes are canon, but the exact visuals aren't.

 

[Libtardism Is Over]

"She got out of it and left the note behind. The end of the episode show's coop take the fall for what happened in Vegas, and since Barbara was the Enclave's mouthpiece within Vault-Tec it's reasonable to assume they would take her to Colorado."

@Serbian Peacekeepers How would she even figure that her husband would locate the crypod and get there? The note being there is a massive plot contrivance. It's obvious the showrunners are making shit up as they go along, and not even in a skillful way like how Vince Gilligan did (e.g. making Jesse into a compelling multi season protagonist rather than killing him off in S1; Mike Ehrmantraut becoming a character when Saul Goodman's actor wasn't available for a scene).

God this show is so fucking shit....there is no way to adequately defend this show

 

[>IMPLYING]

Just to "um actually" you here, It's likely a NCR tank given the way it's facing (defensively towards the front gates.)
I also wouldn't take the credit scenes all that seriously lore wise, since the assets used within are probably whatever the team had on hand. The Legion attacking McCarren makes little sense, so I'm just assuming it's a case of using on hand assets to create the scene. I think the general ideas of the scenes are canon, but the exact visuals aren't.

Yeah, but I was just raising the point before someone else could. A lot of people from what I saw were weirdly invested in those vignettes for lore. Whilst the Mojave looking like it does being the result of a Legion engine would shit on the Legion, they couldn't allude to the possibility of them winning, which is easy: you just don't mention or show any trace of them beyond the river. However there's lots of little morsels for autists to comb over that can point you vaguely in the right direction. Freesiders and Westsiders not liking NCR citizens yet having the denizens of Freeside cheer the mere presence of NCR gives a ton of credence for NCR or House winning. The lack of Kings but relative harmony in the streets would point to the area being totally subsumed into the NCR officially or so inundated with NCR citizens it effectively becomes a territory of the republic.

 

[Jace on ice]

Cooper being more unkillable than John Wick who actually did eventually fucking die really sucks any of the tension or stakes from this series.

He doesn't even get hurt anymore like he did in the early episodes.

 

[>IMPLYING]

Cooper being more unkillable than John Wick who actually did eventually fucking die really sucks any of the tension or stakes from this series.

He doesn't even get hurt anymore like he did in the early episodes.

He had 2 gunfights in season 2 total.
1st was against the Khans in ep 1
2nd was against the radscorpians in ep 2
Lucy was the one who killed all the ghouls and he got falcon punched before he could let off a shot. I don't know if you forgot he got impaled and was on the verge of going feral for an episode but I'm not surprised given how little impact it left. Even the Super Mutant reveal served no purpose besides namedropping the Enclave and revealing that, yeah, Super Mutants are a thing to the tv-onlys.
Past Cooper's armour got stuck, so he couldn't fight back
He froze up when approached by the Deathclaw, saved by Maximus.
He shot that mind controlled Legion dude and shot Hank in the ass.

He's had few opportunities to get hurt because he's hardly been in any fights as all the action was frontloaded.

 

[trekkor]

I had a good (sad) chuckle at this comment over at r/fnv at least.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

In a shocking twist of events, most of this season was drawn out filler. I know, I could have never predicted this.

Spoiler

Culken realizes that it really was that easy to just grab Caesar's body and drag it away.

That note has to be fake, right? It's literally stated from multiple sources that Caesar had people in line to continue the legion after his demise (he already basically accepted that he was going to die until the Courier or Arcade reveal that he could be saved), the worry was always that the one who follows him will lack his presence or duty to his mission. Now the show is saying that Caesar, all along, planned for the Legion to dismantle and abandon their entire mission the moment he died. Why was the Legion fighting the NCR in the first place when he had, at best, another year to live?!

"Oh no, someone's got to help Maximus, just look at him out there!"
*Cuts to Maximus hooting and hollering as he easily mercs the Deathclaws.*

We have the Master at home.

"Why does everyone want me to kill them all the time?"
Am I forgetting something? Who else in the series has asked for a mercy kill from her? Her mom?

Again, how is Claudia the only one who has a problem with them executing a person? These are interns who got their bosses coffee, not desensitised killers.

*Hears the giant radioactive roaches they were warned about earlier.*
*Decides to lean into the elevator shaft to get a better look.*

Again, so much of this crap is shit that House would have mentioned in New Vegas. The Courier can literally get Enclave remnants to help with the battle of Hoover Dam and House has no interest in the people connected to the superpower that he apparently knew all along was still going to be the biggest threat to the Wasteland? A new writer is expanding a story it is inevitable that they will add elements to existing material that wasn't apart of the original vision, that's fine, but you have to contend with the question of why this stuff never came up in-universe when it so obviously would.

I love how quickly the Freesiders went from "Long live the NCR, goodness has returned to the wasteland!" to "Who wants to make a bet on how quickly this retard will get killed?"

My god, Hank is worse than we thought. He married a Canadian after one date!

I'm confused, what actual assurances did Cooper get to be protected from the shadow bosses (who he has to logically suspect to be a government official) from going after him for ruining the cold fusion deal? If I was fucking over the illuminati, I wouldn't be strolling out in public without a care in the world.

They've just immediately dropped any notion of making Hank more than a one dimensional villain. "I was just gonna brainwash you all along, but I had to go along with your bullshit and let you destroy my plan first."

If the Legion soldier has had his memory erased and patched over with the personality of a soft spoken, awkward, wimpy clutzs, he shouldn't really be in any state to harm Lucy.

"You know we're all dead if he loses, right?" Nah, you'll be fine; you're behind a door. What's the Deathclaw gonna do? Go through it?

Of course, the NCR was just hiding just a little off screen all along.

I was really hoping it was going to be the Legion unintentionally saving Maximus with their raid on Vegas.

Lucy uses the brainwashing chip on Hank, planning to brainwash him into a better person after she's gotten information out of him. So, after all this, she really does agree with his philosophy, huh?

Hank reveals that the Enclave have been planning to take over the entire world with brainwashing technology since the beginning, and that there are potentially hundreds of sleeper agents already in place following a two century old plan. Weird how none of the Enclave leadership in the other games seemed to know about this.

I was actually interested in Norm the most, to be honest. And yet his plot basically amounted to nothing. He left the vault with a group of nobodies, they got themselves killed, he goes back to the vault with a new friend. Especially because his character arc is rooted in the shame of hiding while everyone else got killed, and now he ends this arc doing that exact thing.

I like how this is supposed to be the big humanising moment for the Ghoul, but it just makes him even more of a despicable fuck. Your stupidity is what helped end the world and now you're leaving behind the one man you know can help stop the threat that you helped rise to power from taking over the wasteland to go after the wife and daughter who will probably never be safe if the Enclave isn't stopped.

"Oh no, there's going be war and I could have stopped it if I let my dad off-screen ninja brainwash the Legion."

Lucy, both sides of this conflict barely have enough men to occupy a McDonalds, this is gonna be a skirmish at best.

I like how Maximus has nothing to say in response, he just goes "Welp, shit happens."

How is Dean still with Quintus!? He is the prime suspect for helping Maximus and literally told Maximus that the plan was to escape and survive.

So, the Vault plot was entirely just fucking about until a cliff-hanger 'ACTIVATE THE PLAN' ending; this so needed to be drip fed to us across the season.

The other completed arc was Chet, which is why he's a top 3 character. (Ghoul/Cooper, Norm, Chet)

I will forgive the Vault storyline if the endgame is Chet becoming a Chad Super Mutant leading the all-American vault against the Canadian tyrants (the Enclave were Canada all along, obviously.)

House get's Cold Fusion, I don't know if he's confirmed to be a AI or if he's still supposed to be alive in his pod.

He says that Wastelanders apparently regularly attack his body for sport at this point so I'm assuming his pod has been broken no matter if by the COurier or others' hands