Example of Creetard being stupid before he turned his persona into a furry VTuber goat thing:
I've spoken earlier in the thread about not liking the way he analyses things (too nitpicky, assertiveness about the lore with insufficient evidence) but that reddit-tier reductive meme about Fallout not being grounded really kneecaps your point, mainly because they're turning Creetosis' argument (Fallout is a mirror of our reality with the occasional break that never incorporates external lore/references) into a different argument altogether*. The argument is construing Creetosis as saying Fallout is a setting with zero silly elements that that takes itself completely seriously, and then counter arguing by implying that the Master and Psykers are self-evidently stupid.
Something being "grounded" means that it's sensible, or it at least takes itself seriously. The issue with redditors and the ardent defenders of the tv show is that in order to prop up one (show) they completely tear down the other (games). The whole discourse around Fallout
always being dumb and silly so the show is lockstep with the games tonally is basically cutting off your nose to spite your own face.
"The games are retarded so the show can be retarded too."
"You're a fan of something you consider retarded?"
Anything silly on the surface can be taken seriously with sufficient context and arguing. The worst elements of Fallout are the things which are present with little to no explanation or internal logic behind. Fallout 4's Synths, Fallout 3's President Eden suicide, etc. The show's most egregious elements to me is how many individual character decisions don't appear to have any sort of logic behind them, the sort that not even personality can answer for. On an organisational/communal level, some things are more egregious because it implies the idiocy of dozens if not hundreds of people.
Why did Lucy allow the Ghoul to hand rather than carry out the plan they had obviously discussed beforehand in S2E1? Why didn't she try to initiate conversation prior to agreeing to this plan which obviously necessitated putting the Ghoul at risk of death and would entail killing the Khans?
How did Maximus and Dane end up so different from their peers in how they approach the Codex despite living under the identical tutelage of the Brotherhood from childhood into adulthood? Maximus has some explanation but Dane has none. They are also the
only pair of rebellious Brotherhood in the chapter from what we've been shown.
Why did the show not treat Titus' beratement of Maximus as the panicked ramblings of a man who almost died and so lashed out, which was enough to justify his murder at the hands of Maximus and leave Maximus so clean of conscience he never dwells on his first murder of another human being ever again?
Why does Lucy not express any bereavement/guilt or some sort of emotional impact for the indirect killing of the organ harvesters, and why does the show continue to treat her as though she's never killed anyone in a morally dubious context, such as holding two men at gunpoint who then prioritised the ghoul threat over her once they had been rearmed effectively helping to save her in the process?
What evidence did Lucy have for the Ghoul's resilience to justify allowing him to hang? She had never actually seen him get shot or otherwise suffering an injury that would kill a regular person? She was inside the store and largely hiding during the Ghoul's shootout with the town and Maximus' fight with the Ghoul, and the fight with the Gulper wasn't particularly superhuman, and at most his non-reaction to cutting off his own finger shows a tolerance to pain not a superhuman capability to survive otherwise lethal injuries.
Why didn't the Ghoul one-shot Maximus like he did the other Brotherhood members in the finale? Maximus had put him in an identical life or death situation so killing for self-defence was just as applicable here. He was also had the identical gun, and the armour is identical to the ones worn by the Brotherhood in the finale as far as we know (t-45 and t-60 are visually similar which is the only argument one could make about the weakness being on one model and not the other, but I think we only see t-60s in the show, with t-45 being in the flashback in S2E4)
Why did Lucy hesitate to free Maximus despite affirming her commitment to the Golden Rule just a scene prior? She also quickly deduced this was the same man who had helped her prior, making her reluctance doubly confusing.
For what purpose did Vault 4 make a big spectacle of Lucy's "death" by exile despite knowing she's already capable of surviving outside the Vault and hadn't settled into living within the Vault itself to make it such a big deal? (
It was to justify Maximus' response and be "funny" obviously but still - The Dark Knight Rises had a deleted scene with "death by exile" being an ironic punishment meant to criticise the justice system and was self-aware with how silly it was, whilst the Vault does something retarded with no logic behind it yet with complete sincerity.)
Why did the BoS allow the wanton destruction of the pre-war car in episode 2? If that's not technology worth preserving, what's the rules for this Brotherhood's standard of technology that is worth preserving, given pre-war tech that is neither harmful or particularly useful are open to destroy for some reason?
How has the Western Brotherhood fractured into multiple chapters in spite of the NCR's destruction, when the lack of NCR presence would open a power vacuum for them to take advantage of like the destruction of the Enclave allowed for in Maryland? The Mojave chapter, and the Eastern chapters by extension, were isolated due to a factor of distance but also the NCR and other unspecified powers preventing reunion, so how did they manage to schism even further in the West without that factor? What happened to the Lost Hills Brotherhood?
Why is Vault 32's Overseer being so haphazard with water allocation despite a broken water chip? Why does the man responsible for being such a huge unnecessary drain on the Vault's limited water not recognise what he's doing? Why is logic so inconsistently applied to residents of the Vault? Is the reason eugenics? Norm is the son of Hank, a pre-war defrostee, yet possesses intuition lacking in the other members - it's as valid an explanation as any.
I think that's the primary source of the neg-ratings, and not the actual point you're making because you can tell this thread already dislikes the show by and large than the games (some less than others) so shitting on its prime hater isn't an issue here, it's mostly one of the critiques also catches the games with a stray.
TLDR: Don't shit on the games just to attack Creetosis' arguments. His observations and arguments are shallow, but you don't need to shit on the games to do that
