Alien: Covenant/Alien Series thoughts.

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Anti Snigger said:
I’ve always assumed the facehugger has some narcotic effect on victims, Kane in the first movie was super out of it between waking up and dying
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There's a little bit of it because they get choked out; some other victims also struggle to remember what happened too. Kane however also got zonked out harder than most because it ripped through his helmet and he got a good dose of a no oxygen atmo for a bit before zonking out. Reminder LV-426 had no oxygen in its composition until it was getting terraformed. I can buy not remembering getting facehugged. I do not buy you not seeing the dead crab thing next to you and panicking.
 
Overly Serious said:
Wait, is that what happens? I thought the same as you with the difference that I never worked out that I was wrong. They're not all one group? That is bad editing.
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Yeah, Morrow and the other team leader are radioing to each other. But the background in both locations is way too similar, and both teams are moving forward and slightly to the right of the camera.
Quick mock-up of what I thought was going on:
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but the dialogue goes
MORROW: Landfall, over.
TEAM 2 LEADER: Copy that. Team two, landfall. Over.
MORROW: Copy. Infiltrate, stay low. Shoot to kill. Over.
TEAM 2 LEADER: Copy that. Over.
...which they wouldn't need to tell each other if they were only like 20 feet away, but it would kind of make sense anyway as exposition for the audience.
Should've had team 2 come ashore on a sandy beach. Or where Arthur died, there's a big rock for cover and enough sand and a cliff to make it distinct from that little grotto where Morrow meets up with Slightly, Smee, and Raft Arthur.
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A different camera angle, and nobody'd be able to tell if they used the exact same spot.

Overly Serious said:
I like the hints of some kind of psychic link in the franchise. Admittedly it's a little of its time as back in the Sixties and Seventies and even early Eighties, psychic powers and telepathy were very much in. But it's still something that fits with the Unknown feel of the alien.
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Ironically, Hawley did a great job of that with Legion. Lots of weird and trippy psychic stuff going on, some cult behavior. Maybe he doesn't want to go too far in the Dark Horse Comics direction, because he already did three seasons of a comic book show, but I keep wanting to see Aubrey Plaza as a queen alien's psychic projection. Obviously with quick jumpscare cuts of the actual queen, but Aubrey looks way better than the Weta alien suit or a hypothetical Weta queen under bright lights.
 
Overly Serious said:
How many things are just wrong? There are things that are wrong just in the details. For example, Slightly needing Smee's help to move the unconscious scientist. We see Wendy jump off a 50m cliff without harm and hand four or five children from her arms straight out. And there has been nothing to indicate that the others aren't equally capable. And Nibs' fight with the soldiers suggests they are. So what I'm asking here is why Slightly didn't just hoist the unconcious dude over his shoulder like the mere 65kg he probably is and sprint for the beach? There are things that are wrong because they only work because of plot.
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This happens in superhero and comic stories often. Where the main character has incredible powers when he needs to then magically becomes weak and incompetent when the villains need to get the upper hand (this is practically the central plot of every character on Amazon's The Boys or Invincible). The Boys has a few characters whose superpower is their intelligence but they get outsmarted by even the dumbest people when it becomes necessary to advance the plot.

Most action stories follow the same pattern where the villains meticulously and perfectly outmaneuver the hero, spending years planning their attack, and finally they get close enough to stick a gun in the face of James Bond or whomever. Only to pause for some retarded and demented dialog such as "you die here just like your father", instead of just shooting their mortal enemy, and in a shock to no one the hero knocks the gun out of their hand and fights them to death and wins. Practically every action film or story has a sequence like that. Shows like Breaking Bad, The Shield, or Sons of Anarchy would have several of these moments per season.

So with science fiction stories you get scientists where they are geniuses when it's convenient for the plot. Then mentally dead when the plot calls for it. Like a genius who can build the most advanced android bodies that can fuse with human consciousness and minds. But instead of putting someone like an adult world leader or teacher in the bodies he places a bunch of immature and untested children inside of trillion dollar revolutionary android bodies. Like building a new superweapon and instead of having trained Space Marines test it you give it to a four-year-old because faggot Noah Hawley think it's funny.
Adamska said:
Eyeball being from an advanced civilization's fucking comical. How the shit did the Maginot abduct it then?
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Questions like that aren't going to be shown in a story written for reddit brained idiots. They just got the various alien specimens for the plot. The fans of the Alien universe now don't care about actual world building or plot details. They want to collect Xenomorph themed Funkopops and have troon characters.
Adamska said:
Also yeah, this is going to end with Prodigy City getting nuked I'm betting. And this was all just to very retardedly and stupidly explain why the Company needed a 900 series of special orders. Fucking stupid.
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We've seen this exact ending in AvP:R already (and The Crazies). So again we'll get more Alien stories just rehashing Paul Anderson or Brothers Strause. And the hypocrisy of AvPGalaxy and other 'fan' sites shitting on the AvP films and then praising the films that just reuse the same exact plot points.

The most predicted ending I've seen so far is that the city gets nuked. But some alien tech or creatures survive. And Weyland and Yutani decide to merge their companies and work together to analyze the new alien items. And then of course some faggy rock music cover from Hawley plays over credits.
 
The actors capture the kids being stupid really well. Not sure what the logic and excuse is for everybody else being stupid though, like baldy letting husband wander around the island unsupervised after being fired.
Alien needs to be kept in dark areas more, and less focus on it without CGI. One of the earlier shots in episode 7, it looked like it was doing the slav squat meme and about to smoke a fag.
 
TheHarbinger said:
AvPGalaxy
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I really wish they (or "someone who totally isn't affiliated with AvPGalaxy wink wink nudge nudge") would leak the scripts they've got, or stop talking about them (or not have talked in the first place), because now I know there was a version of this that was set after Alien 3 that had references to Peter Weyland. Because after Alien 3 would have been a better time to have Aliens on Earth, there's an interview quote where Noah Hawley said this was set around the time of Aliens, some FX exec said it was set towards the end of this century (which would be around the time of Prometheus), and it ended up two years before Alien. Plus the development and production overlapped with Romulus.

So I wonder how much behind-the-scenes fuckery was going on, like if the studio forced them to change the temporal setting of the show to avoid clashing with Romulus 2 and/or whatever's going on with Predator Badlands having W-Y in it. Being able to see different drafts and the dates on them would clear things up quite a bit. And I'm not sure if the AvP galaxy people actually have the scripts or were just able to read them somewhere, but I think they mentioned having read multiple drafts of the first four episodes.

At least this didn't happen in the show:
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Also, somewhat off-topic but I bet this guy listens to The Serfs and Erin Reed, and thinks Jesse Singal and Benjamin Ryan are far-right:
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Yeah dude it's a conservative's wet dream and not what's actually going on. :story:

Considering the way the Lost Boys are turning out, and the tomboy in Fargo season 5, I don't think Hawley's gender politics are what the trooner/groomer enablers would like them to be. The "gender non-conforming" kid in Fargo season 5 is... just a kid. Her grandmother makes a few snarky comments and says says "how progressive" when she wears a suit and tie for a family Christmas photo, but also clearly cares for her. At no point is there anything about hormones or surgery. She gets to just be a kid. Is she going to grow up to be a lesbian or a pooner? Doesn't matter, not part of the story, she's a kid.
 
This tv show has made game of thrones season 7/8 look like Cinematic masterpieces.

on top of the obvious problems everyone has said...why does every episode end with some alternative rock song like it's some edgy comedy like Weeds from the mid 00s?
 
ihaveelbows said:
This tv show has made game of thrones season 7/8 look like Cinematic masterpieces.

on top of the obvious problems everyone has said...why does every episode end with some alternative rock song like it's some edgy comedy like Weeds from the mid 00s?
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I think it is mentioned earlier in this thread that some of the songs are performed by the series director Noah Hawley and his gay band, so it's a way for him to pay his butt buddies and double-dip by getting paid for the music rights in addition to his salary as director.
 
millais said:
I think it is mentioned earlier in this thread that some of the songs are performed by the series director Noah Hawley and his gay band, so it's a way for him to pay his butt buddies and double-dip by getting paid for the music rights in addition to his salary as director.
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Guess he learned from that faggot making all those gay western series and owning the production companies supplying props and equipment.
 
So I believe that the final episode of the season (and if we're luck the final episode of the show) airs today. I wont see it today but I'm going to lay out a prediction anyway. If I'm wrong, so be it.

I predict Eye Thing will get Boy Kavalier and show will end with it in control.

I didn't spoiler that because I have no evidence, no foreknowledge. It's just my speculation. Seems like the trashy sort of thing Noah Hawley would think is cool.

I will return to this thread in a day or two when I've seen it. Probably wrong. Feels like the sort of "twist" we'll get, though.
 
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The final episode is called "The Real Monsters." They’re really going to do the whole humans are the real monsters with a fucking xenomorph. I gave this show a fair shot in the beginning but then it went to shit so fast.
 
CervixHammer said:
I'm expecting a near-duplicate of the Legion season 1 ending. Replace the mountains with a city, probably Future Chicago with a tilt up to W-Y HQ as the last shot before (rolls dice) In Flames covering Depeche Mode's "Everything Counts":
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Never saw the show but I'm gathering this is some kind of portending doom scene as some dangerous creature/person/foe heads out into the open world to wreak havoc? And that you're predicting the Alien: Earth equivalent will be some monster getting loose and unsupervised, free to wreak havoc? Either xenomorph sneaking away unnoticed or say my prediction: pan back on Boy Kavalier with the eye thing in him or similar?
 
Overly Serious said:
So I believe that the final episode of the season (and if we're luck the final episode of the show) airs today. I wont see it today but I'm going to lay out a prediction anyway. If I'm wrong, so be it.
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They also are probably going to tie the show into the Predator universe. Disney supposedly wants Alien and Predator combined from now on. The next Predator movie features a Weyland-Yutani android as its main character. So expect them to show someone using Predator stealth technology or show a captured Predator on a computer monitor as a preview of what's coming next season (or movie).
Evil Peter Griffin said:
The final episode is called "The Real Monsters." They’re really going to do the whole humans are the real monsters with a fucking xenomorph. I gave this show a fair shot in the beginning but then it went to shit so fast.
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This has been done in every single Alien and Predator movie. They even lazily had the serial killer from Predators say to the Predators "I'm just like you" as if the audience hasn't understood the theme for the last few decades. They'll probably have one of the child robots say "you're the real monsters".
 
TheHarbinger said:
They also are probably going to tie the show into the Predator universe. Disney supposedly wants Alien and Predator combined from now on. The next Predator movie features a Weyland-Yutani android as its main character. So expect them to show someone using Predator stealth technology or show a captured Predator on a computer monitor as a preview of what's coming next season (or movie).
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Oh.
Fuck.
Me.
 
Overly Serious said:
Never saw the show but I'm gathering this is some kind of portending doom scene as some dangerous creature/person/foe heads out into the open world to wreak havoc? And that you're predicting the Alien: Earth equivalent will be some monster getting loose and unsupervised, free to wreak havoc? Either xenomorph sneaking away unnoticed or say my prediction: pan back on Boy Kavalier with the eye thing in him or similar?
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Basically, yeah. Legion is about Professor X's schizophrenic son who is also parasitized by the The Shadow King (some other psychic mutant). Sometimes The Shadow King takes the form of Aubrey Plaza (another patient from the mental hospital who dies in the first episode), sometimes he's a weird fat creature with glowing eyes, sometimes he's an Iranian guy wearing a well-tailored suit, sometimes he's a creepy little puppet of a cartoon child, like a demonic Charlie Brown. Sometimes he's in the shape of or possessing Oliver (the guy in the car with Aubrey Plaza), who the closest Alien: Earth equivalent to would probably be Kirsch or one of the human scientists.
TL;DR yeah, that Eye is getting away unscathed and in a body that can use a toilet. Maybe in Morrow, returning empty-handed to Weyland-Yutani, but with some implication that the Eye suggested diverting the Nostromo to LV-426. Or maybe in Boy Kavalier as a prisoner.

TheHarbinger said:
The next Predator movie features a Weyland-Yutani android as its main character.
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Director's claiming Weyland-Yutani is the only part of Alien(s) that's in it, but I don't buy that for a second. No fucking way is Badlands ending without an AvP sequel hook.
Empire Magazine and Dan Trachtenberg said:
As Trachtenberg tells Empire, this is a slow-burn crossover. “There’s no Xenomorph in this movie,” he confirms of Badlands. “But to me, that makes it more exciting. We’re not involving [the Alien franchise] just to smush the action figures together. There are great, organic story reasons for Weyland-Yutani to be in this film.”
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>great, organic story reasons
..for it not to be an entirely new made-up megacorporation? Or Hyperdyne if he wants to keep an Alien(s) reference without creating the expectation that it's AvP? Sure. And he might think ending with a shot of an egg or a facehugger is technically not a xenomorph, but he sounds like JJ Abrams swearing up and down that Khan wasn't in Star Trek Into Darkness.
 
Remember when TV shows were cool self contained stories instead of 8 hour long movies that ended on a cliffhanger?
I do...
 
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