Alien: Covenant/Alien Series thoughts.

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Though gotta say, splitting it into 3 factions with each their own take on what to do with the xeno biology is pretty cool, however generic fantasy trifecta it is. Le robots, le organics, le mix of the two. Though in this story, to what end? Especially now that the xeno itself isn't exactly the focus of it. Maybe in a sea of 20 creatures with the xeno at the top, it'd make sense that so many wacky creatures waddle around - xenomuffy the #1 prize they all strive for.

But so far it literally just is "synthetics wanting the xeno to breed in human communities" cause uhh, reasons.
 
You know, they just didn't need to spend an entire episode showing us something that happened right at the start. It seems to want to depict Morrow as a empathic villain, but goes too far and makes him the hero of the entire show. He's a man reduced to a mission and nothing else, fighting against the irreverent morons and arrogant fools.

You could establish it was a fucked situation, that he lost everything en route, his loyalty to Grandma Yutani, Boy Kavalier's apparent involvement (remember when he was surprised in the beginning), all the details and moments could have been progressive flashbacks with a montage leading into the ending hero shot.

I'm very skeptical. E1/E2, while retarded in their own right, was fun and fast-paced and honestly it all just looked pretty. I'm confident this was written because we've got 2 more episodes of meandering, rambling, scifi b.s. before it all explodes in the finale and then ends on a "meh" cliffhanger.

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Overly Serious said:
So he's said on screen to be the chief engineer. So in that sense he should be technically capable, know where to hit the ship, etc. But that just offsets how stupid the rest of his behaviour is. Also, it's a Hell of a reach to me that he manages to set it up so that the ship crashes on Prodigy territory. A Hell of a reach. Especially as we know from on-screen discussions about it they have enough fuel and control to adjust their flight somewhat and try. At those sorts of speeds and distances, hitting one island on Earth deliberately is preposterous.
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Don't worry. Because I described how Ellen Ripley was pretty knowledgeable in engineering and a decent pilot to boot, the consoomers desperate to defend brand they only watch 10% of and remember 3% of it will use that to explain he has both probably.

Either way if I was the chief engineer and if I had to hijack the ship, you know what I would do? I'd have sabotaged their hypersleep pods and let them die so I have full run of the ship. Best part is that I don't even need to lie on how they died; malfunctioning hypersleep pods are common enough that it would've been how Burke got the specimens on board, and those failure rates increase over time and lack of maintenance.

I could then aim the ship towards that island, which given I have a fully functional ship means this task becomes slightly easier. Admittedly I'd be missing key crew to pilot it, but I could get the thing to shoeless Zuckerberg. I mean ignore how the shoeless Peter Pan sperg clearly was surprised when it landed and had no context. The script now tells me to say he knew and ignore how no hints actually exist for this. See they member Burke, but were too goddamn fucking incompetent to write little nods to that.
Max Caulfield said:
You know, they just didn't need to spend an entire episode showing us something that happened right at the start. It seems to want to depict Morrow as a empathic villain, but goes too far and makes him the hero of the entire show. He's a man reduced to a mission and nothing else, fighting against the irreverent morons and arrogant fools.
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They did that because they're so incompetent they needed flashback episodes to make the actors they hired work their worth, and because they don't know how to tell a story longer than a movie and a half in length.

Also villains tend to do better in writing because they have to drive the plot, and in modern writing, since they make you want to hate them or dislike them like they do, then they fuck up and give them admirable traits they are mentally incapable of understanding. His refusal to give up and triple down on the losses makes him admirably loyal, and that's a respectable trait. Also contrast to the tard crew and the actors being forced to play dumb kids.
 
Adamska said:
I could then aim the ship towards that island, which given I have a fully functional ship means this task becomes slightly easier.
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Why do they even need to crash the ship?

Couldn't they have arranged a meeting somewhere in the Solar system? If all the crew is dead, then just dock a shuttle while the ship is in transit, transfer all the critters and blast off. Maybe arrange for the ship to crash into the ocean or something to cover your tracks.

Adamska said:
His refusal to give up and triple down on the losses makes him admirably loyal, and that's a respectable trait. Also contrast to the tard crew and the actors being forced to play dumb kids.
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Also the fact he's the only person on the crew that seems to give a shit that two people have died, is trying to save the ship and everyone on it, and is basically proven right every time.

Episode 1 makes him out to be a callous, amoral monster, but now that they've "fleshed out" the morons he was working with, I doubt anyone in the audience blames him for leaving them to die.
 
regalterry said:
Why do they even need to crash the ship?

Couldn't they have arranged a meeting somewhere in the Solar system? If all the crew is dead, then just dock a shuttle while the ship is in transit, transfer all the critters and blast off. Maybe arrange for the ship to crash into the ocean or something to cover your tracks.
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I mean that might also work, but you'd need to still deal with ICC Quarantine protocol measures and Antarctic Traffic control keeping an eye on Solar system traffic. If you have to do something like this and want them on Earth because Shoeless Zuckerberg only has assets there, you'd need to have something that could plausibly make this happen. A crash landing would make sense, but this is me inventing excuses that I know the writers and director didn't think of.

I mean I don't expect Hawley and the writers remembering this detail that the ship could've been stopped by essentially a Solar Coast Guard, so yeah, they probably could've just done what you framed tbh.
 
regalterry said:
Why do they even need to crash the ship?

Couldn't they have arranged a meeting somewhere in the Solar system? If all the crew is dead, then just dock a shuttle while the ship is in transit, transfer all the critters and blast off. Maybe arrange for the ship to crash into the ocean or something to cover your tracks.


Also the fact he's the only person on the crew that seems to give a shit that two people have died, is trying to save the ship and everyone on it, and is basically proven right every time.

Episode 1 makes him out to be a callous, amoral monster, but now that they've "fleshed out" the morons he was working with, I doubt anyone in the audience blames him for leaving them to die.
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Especially considering everyone was already dead by that point anyways except for diversity bobs and the poor bastards who never got woken up. Those stuck in cryo were better off staying there as at least they may have had a slim chance of surviving the crash as opposed to getting immediately murder-fucked by monsters. That, and right when everything popped off finally what do you see Morrow and Milkers do?

Milkers makes a bad call that gets 2 people killed, freezes and then does nothing.
Morrow takes command, has a cool corridor gun fight, tries and tragically fails to save the Intern and performs a sick anime kill on Petrovich.
I mean, even while Funbags runs around and screams during the worst chase I've seen in a minute, Morrow is using half-life style crouch-sprinting through vents to get to where he needs to be faster and safer.

It's a question of whether or not you're judging characters by their identity tags or their actions.

Two asides, now I'm continuing to ramble about this show. Which I do like and enjoy against my better judgement. 2 things I also find retarded now that I think about it.

Minorly, it's "crew not being allowed to fuck". The literal least concern and thing that doesn't matter as long as it doesn't get in the way of the job. Which, it technically didnt as much as the general retardation did. Personally, I'd have a much bigger issue with Knockers spreading fucking sand from Idaho in random spots around the ship. Like, no, stop fucking pouring sand everywhere. You're not from Idaho. Give me that.

Majorly, and I don't know if anyone's brought this up yet. Because I think the overall stupidity kind of drowns it out, esp. everything else with Petrovich. How the fuck does someone "pretend" to be in cryostasis? I can't afford to get drunk enough to begin mentally dissecting the infinite ways that's actual nonsense. Interstellar zoom calls? Fine, they're with X distance of earth by now so maybe. 17 Weeks(?), you can argue does put them within the solar system. Honestly I'm willing to forgive a lot in my slop. I can even forgive the retardation on some level, because it does feel like the average MedRP SS13 round.Like if you edited the sfx from SS13 into the episode it'd be a solid meme video. I wish I had time to sink another million hours in.
 
Adamska said:
but you'd need to still deal with ICC Quarantine protocol measures and Antarctic Traffic control keeping an eye on Solar system traffic
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I think it would have been far easier to bribe officials to look the other way and delete the logs (or sending an agent to do so).

Or maybe have the shuttle be there in advance, with the crew in cryo and the ship powered down to mask its heat signature, or just sending a fully automated vessel via a mass drive to intercept the science ship.

It's certainly far more likely to succeed than hoping a ship never built to fly in a planet's atmosphere, or land, will survive a crash landing, and that every organism on it isn't turned to paste by the impact.

Hell, now that I think about it, the shuttle could have had professional soldiers on it as a contingency in case the saboteur failed and they needed to board the ship to secure the samples.
 
regalterry said:
Why do they even need to crash the ship?
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It's like if you wanted to steal a car from a parking lot. But didn't want to deal with the police investigating it. So as a distraction you burned down a nightclub with 500 people in it the hour before stealing a car. So that now the police are completely preoccupied with a mass killing event. And now you've got the FBI and the entire news media searching for the arsonist who murdered hundreds. "Yeah.....but at least they don't know I stole that car".

These idiots wanted to steal a couple of biological samples from a corporation. And committed 9/11 inside of a city block to accomplish it. The entire world would read the news of a ship that crashed into a city. They would want to know who owned the ship. Who was the crew were. And what purpose the ship was built for and what cargo it contained. It's incredibly poor writing.
regalterry said:
Also the fact he's the only person on the crew that seems to give a shit that two people have died.
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The crew have zero urgency. Hawley is a terrible director and a total hack. The characters in things like Alien, Aliens, AvP, AvP:R, Predator, and Predators are either terrified out of their minds or doing everything possible to survive and taking everything as seriously and gravely as possible. Then you have the USS Short Bus teams from Prometheus, Covenant, Resurrection, Earth, and the others. Where they are laughing and cracking jokes and barely paying attention to the lethal dangers surrounding them on all sides.
 
I had to laugh pretty hard when the Alien showed up in the last episode. I was half expecting it to cross arms and bring a snarky "Wassup?". It's crazy how we went from a scary, terrifying Being from the first movie to... this.
Like the ordered the Xeno from Temu.
 
Watched the first 4 episodes, it's more like Poor Things meets Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep than Alien. What Alien?
 
R. Budd Dwyer said:
So I assume Morrow used to be human and that's why he had a daughter? Or did he dump his robot load in another synth and make a synth baby?
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Morrow is a biological human, he had his arm replaced with a prosthetic, which would make him a cyborg in the context of the show?

Quijibo69 said:
What Alien?
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It speaks volume abotu the quality of the writing that the space ticks feel more disgusting and threatening than the titular xenomorph, which gets mogged and bullied by a random eye octopus.

Alien: Isolation knew how to make the xenomorph feel like an actual threat.
 
I came into A:E with trepidation, but I actually found the stuff with the kids kind of compelling. The show is definitely in that "mid season streaming show" lull at present.
The thing I'm curious about is if they're going to ape the comics and have Wendy be essentially Elden
 
regalterry said:
It speaks volume abotu the quality of the writing that the space ticks feel more disgusting and threatening than the titular xenomorph, which gets mogged and bullied by a random eye octopus.
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Ah. The reason that happened is the retarded creatives who scream as AI outperforms them is because it's their own work. For retarded reasons people love to have their new thing out do the old thing, even if it's one of the key aspects of a franchise. Compare to autism superpredator beating the classic while it cries in pain and fear.

They think this makes their garbage interesting. It makes people tell them to fuck off and turn it off in reality.

Basically they tried to use the xeno as Worf and fucked it up.
Anti Snigger said:
The thing I'm curious about is if they're going to ape the comics and have Wendy be essentially Elden
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If they gave a shit about lore, they'd have actually used Earth War, one of the pinnacle comic runs that existed for this IP, as the framing device. They didn't though; they didn't even put it in the correct period for that. They fucking don't care.
 
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R. Budd Dwyer said:
The window-licking level of retardation of the spaceship crew, especially the scientist, felt so forced and insulting to the audience's intelligence.
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This week is ten times worse. They erase memories from one of the androids, but then immediately let her go interact with people, and the first thing someone asks her is about are her activities during a memory wiped period. She also must be retarded because she has no memories of the last week and doesn't question it whatsoever. Like her amnesia isn't a giant red flag that her hybrid body or mind is failing. "I don't remember the last seven days.....no big deal".

A scientist types incriminating information into a keyboard as if all input data isn't somehow logged or flagged. Instead of writing it down on a piece of paper. Or going into the remote jungle areas and speaking it to someone. There's no information security here whatsoever. It's like whoever wrote this episode has never used a computer before.

But the laboratory has hilariously bad security. Multiple prison doors for the creatures are opened at mere presses of buttons. No alarms or alerts go off to indicate to security personnel that someone is opening up the cage doors for the most valuable biological specimens on Earth. There are no guards watching the animals. Or watching the doors to the lab. The lab has a vent in it large enough for a person to crawl through. The vent is located on the floor so a tiny crawling animal could even access it. One of the robots just walks into the cage and gets outsmarted by the eyeball sheep in what is probably the most unintentionally hysterical moment in the entire Alien franchise.
 
TheHarbinger said:
One of the robots just walks into the cage and gets outsmarted by the eyeball sheep in what is probably the most unintentionally hysterical moment in the entire Alien franchise.
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I guess we know why robots and androids aren't mass produced by the company to do everything... there's no real added value to using them since they're just as retardo as the humans
 
Adamska said:
Ah. The reason that happened is the retarded creatives who scream as AI outperforms them is because it's their own work. For retarded reasons people love to have their new thing out do the old thing, even if it's one of the key aspects of a franchise. Compare to autism superpredator beating the classic while it cries in pain and fear.

They think this makes their garbage interesting. It makes people tell them to fuck off and turn it off in reality.

Basically they tried to use the xeno as Worf and fucked it up.

If they gave a shit about lore, they'd have actually used Earth War, one of the pinnacle comic runs that existed for this IP, as the framing device. They didn't though; they didn't even put it in the correct period for that. They fucking don't care.
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Okay, II might finally bite the comic path since I'm not getting any pussy these days anyways and all my retarded internet friends tell me to read The Long Halloween since I'm a batman sperg sometimes. What's the real good shit for the Alien comics. "Earth War" sounds tight and my non-euclidian prick sputtered relentlessly when I saw space trucks in E1.
 
This show continues to snowball. After E6, it's pretty clear the showrunners are making the Deckard Bladerunner android to be the mastermind behind everything. Still mildly curious to see where the script takes him. However, it's clear the rest of the characters are absolute rubbish. The brother guy has to be the worst.
 
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