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I guess 20th Century wants to screw up the Predator continuity much like the Alien continuity. None of the previous Pred movies mentioned the Weyland-Yutani Corporation and outside of the AVP movies, the only reference to the Xenos was the skull in Pred 2.
I honestly think it's fine. Weyland-Yutani existing in the year 2100 doesn't invalidate anything that happened in Predator 1 and 2 (the good ones) or even anything in 3 (the okay one).
 
I think you guys are making too much of the prosthetic or lack therof. It's obviously CGI because this Predator is going to be flipping around and doing shit. Stuntman can barely see with the mask on and Kevin Peter Hall needed to memorize his blocking without accidentally bitch-slapping Arnie.

It still looks better than the prosthetic in the first AVP.

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You guys are not going to ruin my hype for this movie.



1: it's a male.

2: it could be on a planet where it doesn't need a mask to assist with breathing.

Let's give it a chance. That's all I'm saying. It's the first time we're getting a Predator movie that tries something radically different that doesn't have fucking autism as part of the plot.
Im with you. I think this looks cool.

The idea of the narrative following a bad boy predator who doesn't follow the creed is legit interesting. Frankly there's a lot of narrative potential to elaborate on the predator race. For instance, the idea of them all being hunters might not be terribly accurate. I mean many trophy hunters go to Africa a year? ( Apparently 18,500) A couple thousand hunters over thousands of years may seem like a lot, but these guys might actually be the fringes of their society and I really like that idea.

Speaking of continuity, they had the skull of the alien from Independence Day on the wall. Its never going to happen but I would unironically love it if they retcon Will Smith's death and have him cryogenically frozen. Bonus points if they pair him up with Arnold and go for broke.

 
The idea of the narrative following a bad boy predator who doesn't follow the creed is legit interesting. Frankly there's a lot of narrative potential to elaborate on the predator race. For instance, the idea of them all being hunters might not be terribly accurate. I mean many trophy hunters go to Africa a year? ( Apparently 18,500) A couple thousand hunters over thousands of years may seem like a lot, but these guys might actually be the fringes of their society and I really like that idea.
One of my faorite fan theories is that the Predators are a slaver race and have conquered other aliens and forced them to create their technology.
 
The human. Who is going to girlboss whatever the threat Niggador is facing.
She's technically a robot. So her being extremely strong shouldn't be an issue. Though there are rumors that that actress plays a robot and a human version of herself. But it might just be a quick scene like the end of Alien 3 where 'Bishop' shows up and gets his head ripped off like a can opener.
 
Predator is going to be flipping around and doing shit. Stuntman can barely see with the mask on and Kevin Peter Hall needed to memorize his blocking without accidentally bitch-slapping Arnie.
According to the reports, this shit will have a $200 million budget, a record for a Predator movie.
Not only that, they specifically mentioned that $80 million is for effects and $40 million is for stunts.
They better have animatronic prosthetics for the close ups for that kind of money.
 
I guess 20th Century wants to screw up the Predator continuity much like the Alien continuity. None of the previous Pred movies mentioned the Weyland-Yutani Corporation and outside of the AVP movies, the only reference to the Xenos was the skull in Pred 2.
Nah, it's not unreasonable to have Weyland and Yutani to exist in the setting and fuse eventually, especially since this is allegedly taking place decades after the first two films. Hell, there's media that plays with that Yutani has at least played with Yautja-tech once or twice, and then there's Concrete Jungle, which has Wey-Yu incorporate another company that dealt with them, the Borgias. There's nothing that prevents this from occuring, especially if you are cracked out and desperate for money like RatCo.

That's not my problem; my problem is that both AvP films are not very good, and this film is likely setting up another one, and I don't fucking want that. Not with the current incompetent fucktards currently in this dying industry. Not with the malicious retards running RatCo, who's the parent company of 21st Century Slop. And not with the people who will try to justify why another middling to terrible movie is saved by tiny portion of shitty spectacle, and how all big films are shit.

And then there's the matter that the director made Prey, and I don't really like the film. It's worse than Predators has hackhanded messaging that defiles cultures, and it's middling as a film. Like I get that movies are fucked and that puts it up a decent bit higher than you'd expect, but fuck lowering my standards.

I can just watch Predator 2 or go through the comics if I feel like enjoying Pred stories. Or play AvP2 if I want a good crossover story.
She's technically a robot. So her being extremely strong shouldn't be an issue. Though there are rumors that that actress plays a robot and a human version of herself.
The actual issue is if the actress can carry this film, and I don't have much faith in that happening. It doesn't go well, and a lot of that is they don't make them like Weaver and others anymore.
 
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If they want girlboss and Predators (and Aliens) they coulda just adapted the Machiko Noguchi stuff from Dark Horse... which also explicitly had W-Y in it

btw that T-Rex skull may be a reference to one of the Bantam Noguchi novels, AvP: Hunter's Planet, where Machiko is hired to clean up a rich guy's xenomorph problem on his private exotic hunting reserve planet (the aliens being brought there by the Predators). She stumbles on a group of Predators hunting a T-Rex that had been genetically engineered by the rich guy for the rich tourists to hunt. Of course there's a big tweest to all of it in the end
 
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If the Independence Day aliens can be defeated by Jeff Goldblum with a Mac, I doubt the Yautja would have much trouble.
I dunno if they'd have considered something sneaky like computer virii.

Is there even anything in weird prose or dark horse presents that never got reprinted where they're actually facing a threat from a peer antagonist like Emperor Xenu invades their star system?
 
I dunno if they'd have considered something sneaky like computer virii.

Is there even anything in weird prose or dark horse presents that never got reprinted where they're actually facing a threat from a peer antagonist like Emperor Xenu invades their star system?
I feel like the Yautja must either be a post-scarcity society or there's a whole segment of it that we haven't seen yet. You can't have all the infrastructure and technology to spend your time padding around what are essentially nature reserves living a semi-primitive life and still be able to have interstellar travel and invisible tech without something more than what we see.

So maybe the hunts are their equivalent of a holiday and they all go back to the office the rest of the time - but that doesn't really feel right. I'd say they're more post-scarcity and perhaps the hunter lifestyle and social stratification gives them some meaning. Either way, the implication would be that faced with such a threat they could take more subtle or indirect approaches to dealing with it. Bioweapons, computer viruses, tactical nukes (we see they have something like this miniaturised to an impressive degree).
 
I feel like the Yautja must either be a post-scarcity society or there's a whole segment of it that we haven't seen yet. You can't have all the infrastructure and technology to spend your time padding around what are essentially nature reserves living a semi-primitive life and still be able to have interstellar travel and invisible tech without something more than what we see.

So maybe the hunts are their equivalent of a holiday and they all go back to the office the rest of the time - but that doesn't really feel right. I'd say they're more post-scarcity and perhaps the hunter lifestyle and social stratification gives them some meaning. Either way, the implication would be that faced with such a threat they could take more subtle or indirect approaches to dealing with it. Bioweapons, computer viruses, tactical nukes (we see they have something like this miniaturised to an impressive degree).
Yeah that's what I'm thinking, there could be a few ways to run with that, like Galaxy Quest and there's a culture shock of these guys not hitting 1:1 , or like "oh okay you guys have interstellar travel and stepped to US? okay we get out the REALLY good shit for you."
 
According to the reports, this shit will have a $200 million budget, a record for a Predator movie.
Not only that, they specifically mentioned that $80 million is for effects and $40 million is for stunts.
They better have animatronic prosthetics for the close ups for that kind of money.
That's ridiculous, no way it doesn't flop with that kind of budget, it likely also guarantees it won't be R-rated either as they're going to want as big of an audience as possible to make back its money.
 
Nah, it's not unreasonable to have Weyland and Yutani to exist in the setting and fuse eventually, especially since this is allegedly taking place decades after the first two films. Hell, there's media that plays with that Yutani has at least played with Yautja-tech once or twice, and then there's Concrete Jungle, which has Wey-Yu incorporate another company that dealt with them, the Borgias. There's nothing that prevents this from occuring, especially if you are cracked out and desperate for money like RatCo.

That's not my problem; my problem is that both AvP films are not very good, and this film is likely setting up another one, and I don't fucking want that. Not with the current incompetent fucktards currently in this dying industry. Not with the malicious retards running RatCo, who's the parent company of 21st Century Slop. And not with the people who will try to justify why another middling to terrible movie is saved by tiny portion of shitty spectacle, and how all big films are shit.

And then there's the matter that the director made Prey, and I don't really like the film. It's worse than Predators has hackhanded messaging that defiles cultures, and it's middling as a film. Like I get that movies are fucked and that puts it up a decent bit higher than you'd expect, but fuck lowering my standards.

I can just watch Predator 2 or go through the comics if I feel like enjoying Pred stories. Or play AvP2 if I want a good crossover story.
Exactly this. There's nothing on the face that's terrible about the set up, just AvP films have just really sucked, and the movie industry has not improved since the last one. This is going to be some retard trying to make their mark and "using this film to talk about important topics" and "Expand the franchise audience even if some of the existing fans take issue they aren't the people this film was made for" modern wokefilm bs.
Even if it ends up being the cleanest end of the turd, it is still shit.

The other issue is that Predator 1/2 works because we DON'T know about the inner working of Predator society. Because we don't have to care, we just know that they are interstellar big game hunters and really they should spend the minimum time possible on visible screen because the unknown/struggling against the unknown is what makes them interesting. This film with the predator flipping and goddamn unmasked for 90% of the trailer why you fucking mongs this is so easy to get right how can you fuck this up this badly completely and totally misses the point.

The actual issue is if the actress can carry this film, and I don't have much faith in that happening. It doesn't go well, and a lot of that is they don't make them like Weaver and others anymore.
Even if she's a synth I'm sure we'll get some gender politics injections as well.
Probably try some "trans rights" shit being she's not human.

likely also guarantees it won't be R-rated either
Oh yeah, forgot about that part too. Predators and Prey at least got that part right.

I feel like the Yautja must either be a post-scarcity society or there's a whole segment of it that we haven't seen yet. You can't have all the infrastructure and technology to spend your time padding around what are essentially nature reserves living a semi-primitive life and still be able to have interstellar travel and invisible tech without something more than what we see.

So maybe the hunts are their equivalent of a holiday and they all go back to the office the rest of the time - but that doesn't really feel right. I'd say they're more post-scarcity and perhaps the hunter lifestyle and social stratification gives them some meaning. Either way, the implication would be that faced with such a threat they could take more subtle or indirect approaches to dealing with it. Bioweapons, computer viruses, tactical nukes (we see they have something like this miniaturised to an impressive degree).
The fan theory I heard and I liked was that the Yautja were a primitive race that killed more advanced aliens that had come to their world to hunt them, and stole their technology. As they expanded they extort "unworthy" races for heavy industry, and kill/loot enhanced technology from "worthy" ones. But their population is extremely small so their weapons, etc are all hand-made and for the most part are passed from one generation to the next with small tweaks and enhancements.


Is there even anything in weird prose or dark horse presents that never got reprinted where they're actually facing a threat from a peer antagonist like Emperor Xenu invades their star system?
The only appearance I'm aware of the "Predator Military" is the weird AvP RTS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_Versus_Predator:_Extinction
 
Yeah that's what I'm thinking, there could be a few ways to run with that, like Galaxy Quest and there's a culture shock of these guys not hitting 1:1 , or like "oh okay you guys have interstellar travel and stepped to US? okay we get out the REALLY good shit for you."
Exactly. As if the predator raids are more like a friendly boxing match or game of cricket to them or somesuch. Hilarious to imagine mankind interpreting their limited interactions with the Yautja so far as representing the extent of their capabilities. It would be like a bunch of people from a primitive tribe extrapolating from a Big Game hunter and launching an attack. "So they have these long sticks that can kill you and we don't know how they work, but so long as we outnumber them and still have our spears, we can take them. And then the canoes pull up in London and they see a tank and combined arms for the first time.

The predators have shown a kind of sportsmanship in the past, granting their marks to humans that have killed or whatever the Hell they meant by giving that cop guy back a human rifle. Like "you have proved yourself. Here is your trophy back". Doesn't mean they wouldn't wipe out any force that decided to attack them in a way they didn't regard as sporting. Like showing up to a boxing match with a knife.

The fan theory I heard and I liked was that the Yautja were a primitive race that killed more advanced aliens that had come to their world to hunt them, and stole their technology. As they expanded they extort "unworthy" races for heavy industry, and kill/loot enhanced technology from "worthy" ones. But their population is extremely small so their weapons, etc are all hand-made and for the most part are passed from one generation to the next with small tweaks and enhancements.
Interesting. I'm not sure about the not understanding their own tech. I see where they were coming from but I feel it's because they have this idea of savage = low tech and enjoy the idea of savage low-tech people conquering smarter and more advanced people. I more enjoy the idea that someone can be savage and high tech at the same time. That's more interesting to me. I do like the idea of them being small in number though. That fits. And there's no reason to suppose a species would follow humanity's approach of breed uncontrollably. Especially if they're quite long lived which I think some of the media suggests they are.
 
I feel like the Yautja must either be a post-scarcity society or there's a whole segment of it that we haven't seen yet. You can't have all the infrastructure and technology to spend your time padding around what are essentially nature reserves living a semi-primitive life and still be able to have interstellar travel and invisible tech without something more than what we see.

So maybe the hunts are their equivalent of a holiday and they all go back to the office the rest of the time - but that doesn't really feel right. I'd say they're more post-scarcity and perhaps the hunter lifestyle and social stratification gives them some meaning. Either way, the implication would be that faced with such a threat they could take more subtle or indirect approaches to dealing with it. Bioweapons, computer viruses, tactical nukes (we see they have something like this miniaturised to an impressive degree).
idk if it's canon or not but in the comics the predators are a matriarchal society (OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOKE ALREADY CONQUERED THE YAUTJA), the females run everything and the males go on hunts to impress them. It's implied they could fuck humanity up bad in a war-war if they wanted to but have no interest in it, the hunting and ritual and honor stuff is to keep the males occupied because otherwise they'd all kill each other competing for females. Lots of males still get killed fighting each other over petty bullshit because predator testosterone is no joke frfrnocap. The females are hugely narcissistic from the way the males simp for them and their main focus in life is enjoying the simping and making sure the males are kept kinda in control via hunting
 
I can't be the only one who doesn't want anymore Predator movies. We get everything we could get out of a film back in the first one. It is a type of franchise that works more in video games and comics rather than another film.
 
I can't be the only one who doesn't want anymore Predator movies. We get everything we could get out of a film back in the first one. It is a type of franchise that works more in video games and comics rather than another film.
Alien and Predator are both concepts that work in a certain kind of setting with a certain kind of story structure. One that doesn't involve spewing wikipedia-article style exposition all over the audience
 
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