Alien: Covenant/Alien Series thoughts.

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the first RE was pretty cool, especially for the last minute swerve
And the others were dogshit, because the director married her and used the films to simp for her. It also was the only film where she felt like she had limits and could be killed.

I'm not confident in this one. I fully expect this to be more current year shit.

ADDENDUM: So for those wondering, Sydney Chandler played supporting casts in such hit never heard ofs as Sugar, and Pistol. This is her first leading role and of course she likely got the part because her Dad is an actor with a bigger resume.

So nepobaby. Tick that off the list. Let's see if she hurls abuse at the potential audience next.
 
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I don't know if this has already been discussed, but I was quite surprised to know that "The Offspring" in "Alien: Romulus" is played by an actual actor. I kind of figured it was mostly CGI.

As far as I'm concerned, he was the highlight of the movie. What an absolute madlad!
 
I don't know if this has already been discusshttps://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Newborned, but I was quite surprised to know that "The Offspring" in "Alien: Romulus" is played by an actual actor. I kind of figured it was mostly CGI.
It probably was, and then he was mocapped and brushed over so much you couldn't tell the difference, thus removing the point of even doing that in the first place. Massive flop She-Hulk also got a super huge person to mocap for the character, and you also couldn't tell.

Eh, not impressed with the creature at all; it's just a lazier redesign of the Newborn. Hell, its design literally was based on earlier Newborn designs, which is most obvious given early designs had a tail and the hidden second mouth... which was from the novelization of Resurrection. Oh, and both also were male too.

This has the same energy as whenever LucasFilms plunders Ralph McQuarrie's scribble bin to steal concepts poorly and pretend it's unique.
 
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I don't know if this has already been discussed, but I was quite surprised to know that "The Offspring" in "Alien: Romulus" is played by an actual actor. I kind of figured it was mostly CGI.

As far as I'm concerned, he was the highlight of the movie. What an absolute madlad!
I was surprised it wasn't that one skinny guy that's been every other freaky creature in the past 20 years. Doug Jones.
 
It probably was, and then he was mocapped and brushed over so much you couldn't tell the difference, thus removing the point of even doing that in the first place. Massive flop She-Hulk also got a super huge person to mocap for the character, and you also couldn't tell.

Eh, not impressed with the creature at all; it's just a lazier redesign of the Newborn. Hell, its design literally was based on earlier Newborn designs, which is most obvious given early designs had a tail and the hidden second mouth... which was from the novelization of Resurrection. Oh, and both also were male too.

This has the same energy as whenever LucasFilms plunders Ralph McQuarrie's scribble bin to steal concepts poorly and pretend it's unique.
Don't you think there are minute details which could get replicated with CGI, but are so costly that for a movie with this budget (or even one with an insane budget), having an actual actor in all kinds of makeup do the groundwork is beneficial for catching these minute details in a cost-effective way?

I'm just trying to come up with legitimate reasons for including this actor in the works. This lanky fella is a madlad, after all.

I think the design of "The Offspring" is interesting because it incorporates elements from not just Humans and Xenomorphs, but also (and perhaps most noticeably) Engineers, but I agree with you that they are treading somewhat old ground, what with the existence of "The Newborn" in "Alien: Resurrection".
I've yet to read a single novelization of any movie. Would you say that the novelization to Resurrection is a worthwhile read?
I was surprised it wasn't that one skinny guy that's been every other freaky creature in the past 20 years. Doug Jones.
I googled him, and I instantly recognize some characters. He apparently played the Silver Surfer, "Abe Sapien" from Hellboy and the "Pale Man" from Pan's Labyrinth etc.
Clearly, he's also an absolute madlad.
 
Don't you think there are minute details which could get replicated with CGI, but are so costly that for a movie with this budget (or even one with an insane budget), having an actual actor in all kinds of makeup do the groundwork is beneficial for catching these minute details in a cost-effective way?
Not really, since you use lighting and framing to make it cheaper to render. Also these companies tend to think it's more cost efficient to just run the computers than it is to make an actor sit down for a few hours to get the make-up on.

It's likely one of the many reasons why budgets keep getting bloated.
I'm just trying to come up with legitimate reasons for including this actor in the works. This lanky fella is a madlad, after all.
You have a real thing for the other actors to look at for references. Simple as.
I think the design of "The Offspring" is interesting because it incorporates elements from not just Humans and Xenomorphs, but also (and perhaps most noticeably) Engineers
I've seen the earlier designs; it's just plundering rejected designs from Resurrection and Prometheus back when it was called "Alien: Engineers".
but I agree with you that they are treading somewhat old ground, what with the existence of "The Newborn" in "Alien: Resurrection".
I've yet to read a single novelization of any movie. Would you say that the novelization to Resurrection is a worthwhile read?
It's okay. It's pretty close to the special edition, with a few interesting differences and events. I personally prefer Alan Dean Foster's take on the first three films personally. Alien in particular is very different to the final film.
 
It's okay. It's pretty close to the special edition, with a few interesting differences and events. I personally prefer Alan Dean Foster's take on the first three films personally. Alien in particular is very different to the final film.
The Alien novelization was done before Allen Dean Foster had seen the actual Xenomorph or the other Giger designs like the Space Jockey. In the first novel the ship is also leaking coolant all over the place turning the hallways into pools of water. This plot point would be used in the fourth film where they end up swimming through parts of the ship because the entire thing is flooded with coolant liquid.

The third novelization had Foster refuse to kill Hicks and Newt until he was threatened with being fired. He wanted to rewrite the entire story into having Newt and Hicks alive with Ripley. He thought that the Alien series had become "too dark" and needed to be more optimistic or action oriented like Aliens where they are mowing down mobs of monsters and saving the day. His only other novelization in the series was Covenant after that point.
 
The Alien novelization was done before Allen Dean Foster had seen the actual Xenomorph or the other Giger designs like the Space Jockey. In the first novel the ship is also leaking coolant all over the place turning the hallways into pools of water. This plot point would be used in the fourth film where they end up swimming through parts of the ship because the entire thing is flooded with coolant liquid.
It's actually because he was using an older script to write it; we're talking it's before the 3 hour cut old in terms of design. It's also why the facehugger and the adult had eyes, since both of them for the longest time in design work had them; it's also a case of a Ridley Scott W, since he ultimately decided that it not having eyes was better, since he was accurate in stating that eyes allow you to see the intent or thought in a being; it's a window to a soul. The alien has none.

It also covers scenes that got cut due to concerns with budget, such as the airlock entrapment scene, and several other ones. Dallas' original capture scene was very different from the movie. It's also one that references things like the casual sex that the crew had during jaunts, which yes was a plotpoint; Ash was considered suspect because neither Lambert or Ripley fucked him.

As for his Alien 3 book, I honestly don't blame him for rioting; several writers actually did too because of how fucking retarded the producers were acting.

Alien 3 is a testament to David Fincher's resilience in making the best of what he got, but it's the biggest possible fuck you given how events happen if you watch it back to back from Aliens.
 
It probably was, and then he was mocapped and brushed over so much you couldn't tell the difference, thus removing the point of even doing that in the first place. Massive flop She-Hulk also got a super huge person to mocap for the character, and you also couldn't tell.

Eh, not impressed with the creature at all; it's just a lazier redesign of the Newborn. Hell, its design literally was based on earlier Newborn designs, which is most obvious given early designs had a tail and the hidden second mouth... which was from the novelization of Resurrection. Oh, and both also were male too.

This has the same energy as whenever LucasFilms plunders Ralph McQuarrie's scribble bin to steal concepts poorly and pretend it's unique.
I mean, for all intents and purposes, movies are art and it's meant to have soul beyond the whole "AI COULD DO IT BETTER" discourse as of late. They probably paid the guy peanuts and earned back five-fold that money in exposure and "HOLY SHIT IT'S PRACTICAL! OMGGGG!" buzz. If you take a step back, they hired a freak to play a freak. It's a bearded lady taken to the next level.
 
Finally saw Alien: Romulus tonight now that it's on streaming.

My God, what a dumb movie. lol.

Other than the fact that the Alien from the first movie survived (SO stupid), I thought that the setup of this being a "heist/escape movie gone wrong" was great. I also liked how the movie initially got me to care about Rain and Andy's kinship, too.

The movie goes completely off the rails and never recovers once CGI Ian Holm shows up as an android, though. For starters, it is one of the biggest offenders of "memberberries" I have ever seen, holy shit. There was literally no need to make a CGI Ian Holm for this ... It adds nothing to the movie but pure cringe. On top of that, the CGI even looked like complete and utter shit (which is astounding because the rest of the movie looks really good in cinematography and special effects). I might have forgiven this at least a little bit had he not been in the rest of the damn movie. How embarrassing.

The first act of this movie at least feels focused ... And then for the rest of the movie, it takes all of the Alien movies that came before it, puts them in a blender, and starts throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. It's all just regurgitated slop in the second half of the movie. And on top of that, while Rain starts off as an interesting lead character, she just becomes a less interesting Ellen Ripley by the end, and the movie even establishes that she's going to be a super duper girlboss in its sequel. No thank you. And don't even get me started on the cringe recycled dialogue from the first two movies.

The last good Alien movie was still 38 years ago as far as I'm concerned. I actually prefer Prometheus over this.
 
Finally saw Alien: Romulus tonight now that it's on streaming.

My God, what a dumb movie. lol.

Other than the fact that the Alien from the first movie survived (SO stupid), I thought that the setup of this being a "heist/escape movie gone wrong" was great. I also liked how the movie initially got me to care about Rain and Andy's kinship, too.

The movie goes completely off the rails and never recovers once CGI Ian Holm shows up as an android, though. For starters, it is one of the biggest offenders of "memberberries" I have ever seen, holy shit. There was literally no need to make a CGI Ian Holm for this ... It adds nothing to the movie but pure cringe. On top of that, the CGI even looked like complete and utter shit (which is astounding because the rest of the movie looks really good in cinematography and special effects). I might have forgiven this at least a little bit had he not been in the rest of the damn movie. How embarrassing.

The first act of this movie at least feels focused ... And then for the rest of the movie, it takes all of the Alien movies that came before it, puts them in a blender, and starts throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. It's all just regurgitated slop in the second half of the movie. And on top of that, while Rain starts off as an interesting lead character, she just becomes a less interesting Ellen Ripley by the end, and the movie even establishes that she's going to be a super duper girlboss in its sequel. No thank you. And don't even get me started on the cringe recycled dialogue from the first two movies.

The last good Alien movie was still 38 years ago as far as I'm concerned. I actually prefer Prometheus over this.
I was a little more generous towards it but then I often am with such things. I liked that they did try to keep within the wider lore and not tread all over it. Even got the XX121 nomenclature for the xenomorph and somebody in the production had at least done their homework. And the production values were good and some of the cast also - I thought Andy's actor was the stand-out. And there were moments I thought were very well done, like Andy refusing to open the door because the Xenomorph was deliberately giving its victim a chance to escape so that they would.

I also liked the plot element that mankind was failing at most of its colonisations. "We were never meant to go into Space".

But then we get into some of the flaws. The storyline felt a little like a videogame - go here, that's blocked, go there. I could see the Alien: Isolation influence on the movie. And A:Isolation is a great game and a love letter to the original movie so that's not wholly a bad thing. But the script could feel a bit clunky in places.

The two worst things about the movie for me were the accelerated timeline where we'd go from face-hugged to chestburster in about five minutes. And the really, really bad nostalgia bait. If the Ian Holm Deepfake was bad (and vaguely disrespectful), then Andy saying: "Get away from her you bitch" was even more egregious. It was so fucking shoe-horned in. Dishonourable mention for that fucking gun, as well - that was terrible too.

Oddly enough, other than the absurdly quick timeline of it, the hybrid thing didn't bother me much. I'm a big fan of the franchise and I also have the Free League RPG which is very respectful of the lore and careful about what it includes, and the hybrid looked like a Perfected. It wasn't the worst thing in the movie by far.

Oh, and the fucking title: "Romulus". It meant nothing and whatever attempt at mythic theme they'd intended, I couldn't see it.
 
XX121 nomenclature
I actively dislike this nomenclature even existing, since it only came about after Prometheus appeared and sodomized the setting due to it being responsible for Covenant existing. In my experience, almost every single time this term comes up, it's solely to point out the black goo.

It also only exists due to SD Perry's Weyland-Yutani report. Don't get me wrong; I've liked some of her books, since I've read several of her Resident Evil novelizations, but I much preferred what the comics cooked due to being less tied to that film. Linguafoeda acheronsis works just as well.
And A:Isolation is a great game and a love letter to the original movie so that's not wholly a bad thing.
Games have different requirements to movies, so borrowing without any form of retrofitting or understanding the different design is a massive failure on their end. In Isolation, having to find your way around to a terminal or to activate a robot works since the environment and fear makes you experience the horror.

It's idiotic to port that without serious refitting and thinking "this happened due to that" rather than "I need X to happen so Y". That's why the pacing is so clunky in those segments.

It really does come off like writers or the director are too retarded to do their jobs if the best they can do is recycle other people's work.
and the hybrid looked like a Perfected
Nope. It's clearly based on rejected ideas for the Newborn from Ressurection. The RPG rooted through the concept art dumpster. Several of the monsters are based on zombie man from Prometheus' many redesigns for example. I think specifically the UPP's program has them look exactly like Fifer's redesigns.

Also not kidding on the Offspring being a reskinned design, probably only being made cheaper for simplicity. The novelization genuinely describes many of the traits that the bootleg had.

It's a big reason I'm being so hard on the film, since there's playing it safe and then there's having ChatGPT write your movie for you.
I do like the different levels of budgets for these movies, but the world "Alien: Earth" shit has me worried. It's meant to be the FIRST in the entire story, yet has xenos on earth? That were unknown in Alien 1? So what, xenos fucking dinos?
Nope, because that would've played into a pretty cool comic that existed that played with them being a cosmological leveler and almost eldritch horror due to it going after races that spread to far into the stars...

It's instead taking place in a closed circuit city that's going to blow up so no one can talk about it, where the main protagonist is the most current year of ideas, a supersoldier capeshit bootleg who has a ghost girl in her brain and is a hybrid, and it's going to be made to shitpantsingly explain why The Company wants them.
 
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@Adamska We're not quite on the same page but I like your reply and appreciate how much you clearly know your stuff. I hope that last paragraph is just your wild speculation though and not some leak that you've just spoiled me on the TV show for!
 
If anyone’s interested, this is what Alien 3 should have been:

Alien III - Vincent Ward & John Fasano
That was great.

A very long time ago I read the novel that Alien 3 was based on, I remember it being closer to the film than this screenplay.
IIRC, the creature that got infected first in that was a “mutated oxen”, in this it’s a sheep, and in the film “it’s in the dog!”.
 
I want to just say that AvP: Requiem is not a bad movie, and it's probably one of the better movies because holy shit the aliens are boring creatures and it's not exciting at all to watch people scurry through ducts and dark hallways running from a puppet. The scene where the Predator throws that big-ass ninja star and accidentally impales the spoiled white girl to the wall is hilarious, and the movie ends with a Francoise Yip cameo. Based.
 
Wow, everyone had bad ideas all around and none of this can be compromised. I still end up sympathizing more for the studio though. Their ideas are bad, but they are logical marketing kinds of stupid ideas; you really can't call a movie without Xenomorphs Alien anything, after all. Ridley's Scott's ideas are pseudo-intellectual pretentious bad ideas that were better executed by Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin in Stargate.
I think Ridley was heavily impacted by his brother Tony's suicide and aging. The two combined along with whatever religious background he had growing up in England has ridden him with existential angst. He can't just make films to tell a story, he has to use it to probe the hard questions that keep him up at night.

Honestly I think it's fair to examine that question as it's something we've all struggled with at some point or avoided thinking about due to how uncomfortable it makes us.

The issue is using beloved IPs like Blade Runner or Aliens to explore that.

Just streamed Romulus last night. Too much memberberries but the set design and aesthetic were great. Definitely a love letter to Isolation in parts.

I'd have enjoyed the movie more if it explored the fall of the two stations and the difference in what they were researching. I'm assuming originally Romulus was just xenomorph study and Remus was doing black goo reverse engineering.

Overall 6.5/10, would watch on cable in the afternoon but not go out of my way to see it on demand.
 
Same. I think the movie did as well as it did because the public just wanted another Alien movie.
It's also a contractual thing. They have to produce a certain number of Alien and Predator films to retain the rights. So every couple of years you get a film in each franchise. Same deal with stuff like Terminator, Hellraiser, and lots of other sci-fi and horror franchises.
 
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