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Yknow has a channel like Siivagunner given any statement in regards to AI voice use for rips yet? I assume they already have precaustions that they won't accept rips that use AI, but I wanted to ask if any kiwi is more knowledgable in that space.
 
Girahira said:
Twitter ””””Artists”””” trying any legal action against AI wont ever lead to anything. What ’income‘ is threatened? The one they won’t even tax?
The music industry has been sampling songs(no less than AI ‘samples‘ images) for decades and no producer is retarded enough to try make a case on it. Because it’s real tough to make an argument on something being ‘stolen’ on the grounds that it’s ‘similiar’. The industry is so oversaturated that millions can have the same idea.
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Record labels have won over the issue of samples though, although courts have issued different rulings which make the law vague. That's why the samples are usually paid for except for times the label can prove the bit being sampled is either in public domain or the copyright can't be enforced.

But that seems very different since samples take a piece of an identifiable song. AI takes so many bits of everything that the output will certainly be transformative. The exception might be training it on one artist's work, although based on my experiments that just gives a facsimile of the style in question.
 
last month the animation guild released a report on a survey about AI in the entertainment sector

In a survey conducted between November 17 and December 22, 2023, 300 C-Suite leaders, senior executives, and mid-level managers across six industries in the entertainment sector were given the opportunity to provide their input. Questions centered on current and anticipated roles of GenAI, the technology’s effects on tasks and responsibilities, the creation and/or replacement of job roles and titles, and the perceived benefits and challenges of GenAI implementation.
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report attached, but here's a few highlights (NOTE: PDF refuses to attach to this post. i will try again later)

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finally, what was the biggest worry by animation executives and managers? regulation? copyright? misinformation?

lol no, it's concerns about AI being a "stochastic parrot", aka they're worried about AI producing results that aren't adjusted through proper wrong-think filters

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GunCar Gary said:
last month the animation guild released a report on a survey about AI in the entertainment sector


report attached, but here's a few highlights (NOTE: PDF refuses to attach to this post. i will try again later)

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finally, what was the biggest worry by animation executives and managers? regulation? copyright? misinformation?

lol no, it's concerns about AI being a "stochastic parrot", aka they're worried about AI producing results that aren't adjusted through proper wrong-think filters

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You know, I thought that AI displacing jobs wouldn't happen in the creative field for a while, but this convinced me of the opposite. I am surprised that it is getting adopted this soon and this widely, I thought right now the tech still had kinks to work out before it would see an adoption at this scale. People compare the AI of now to NFT's but I have never seen NFT being adopted to this scale ever.
 
linchan said:
I am surprised that it is getting adopted this soon and this widely, I thought right now the tech still had kinks to work out before it would see an adoption at this scale.
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the secret is that while nobodies and artistic hacks are having slap fights on twitter over naked anime girls, people who actually want to produce products for money are quietly trying out this newest round of machine learning tools and finding out that, yes, there actually are cases where it can produce 90% of the output for 10% of the effort

even if there are plenty of flaws with AI tools right now, if you're willing to look at AI tools objectively it's easy to see these tools are going to be very important to a lot of industries in the very near future and if you don't start now you're going to be behind when they become the standard
 
linchan said:
People compare the AI of now to NFT's but I have never seen NFT being adopted to this scale ever.
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It's a retard litmus test. There is no similarity between them. The only people seriously comparing these two completely different concepts are retards who have all of their opinions given to them by the social media committee.
GunCar Gary said:
even if there are plenty of flaws with AI tools right now, if you're willing to look at AI tools objectively it's easy to see these tools are going to be very important to a lot of industries in the very near future and if you don't start now you're going to be behind when they become the standard
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Quite literally all it boils down to is being able to understand that technology is not static and is always improving. AI images a few years ago were tiny little pixel messes, then they were bigger and blurrier blotchy things, then they were deformed but recognizable things, then they were sharp but flawed with extra limbs and hands, then it was just the fingers, and now even that's mostly solved. The biggest "problems" now are issues like lighting simply being incorrect or it sometimes having wonky perspectives, but things like that are easily fine-tuned out. I've said it before and I'll say it again: AI is already being used in the creative sector. People just aren't admitting to it yet.
 
A lot of seething, but I'm noticing a new trend: resignation.

All apologies, on mobile and can't capture much of anything, but some people are just straight giving up already while others like animation students are talking basic income and unionization. Still loads of seething too.

These people unironically thought AI peaked yesterday with Stable Diffusion and whatever that shitty Corridor Crew AI animation video was a while back and actually thought there was no point worrying because AI is a scam that got as good as it could ever get, and they're getting BTFOd by reality that Skynet doesn't give a shit what Twitter art troons think is the limit of AI technology so they can cope with their shitty proship art.

You know the funny thing is, I feel uncomfortable about this too because video evidence is fucked. But for movies and animation and shit? I'll still consume their slop regardless. I wouldn't even mind donating. If anything I hope artists get together and make their own no-AI alternative industry away from Homowood. That's literally a win win: custom AI movies for me and actual artistic films from artists.
Trying to fight this shit is clearly a lost cause and was from the start because artists arrived to the fight way too late, but it's only shutin losers who think this is the end of art altogether.
 
TapewormBillie said:
A lot of seething, but I'm noticing a new trend: resignation.

All apologies, on mobile and can't capture much of anything, but some people are just straight giving up already while others like animation students are talking basic income and unionization. Still loads of seething too.

These people unironically thought AI peaked yesterday with Stable Diffusion and whatever that shitty Corridor Crew AI animation video was a while back and actually thought there was no point worrying because AI is a scam that got as good as it could ever get, and they're getting BTFOd by reality that Skynet doesn't give a shit what Twitter art troons think is the limit of AI technology so they can cope with their shitty proship art.

You know the funny thing is, I feel uncomfortable about this too because video evidence is fucked. But for movies and animation and shit? I'll still consume their slop regardless. I wouldn't even mind donating. If anything I hope artists get together and make their own no-AI alternative industry away from Homowood. That's literally a win win: custom AI movies for me and actual artistic films from artists.
Trying to fight this shit is clearly a lost cause and was from the start because artists arrived to the fight way too late, but it's only shutin losers who think this is the end of art altogether.
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Don't worry, they'll nerf this like Chat GTP and Bing Creator the moment us plebs start having fun with it, making Triumph of the Will II: Wrath of Hitler and Taylor Swift does the Kansas City Chiefs!
 
Fluoxetine Man said:
Don't worry, they'll nerf this like Chat GTP and Bing Creator the moment us plebs start having fun with it, making Triumph of the Will II: Wrath of Hitler and Taylor Swift does the Kansas City Chiefs!
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Can it make animated movies?
I really wanna see 'caust become a reality.
I'm salivating at a future where we can get AI to make fan edits of shows and movies. Heaven...
 
linchan said:
You know, I thought that AI displacing jobs wouldn't happen in the creative field for a while, but this convinced me of the opposite. I am surprised that it is getting adopted this soon and this widely, I thought right now the tech still had kinks to work out before it would see an adoption at this scale. People compare the AI of now to NFT's but I have never seen NFT being adopted to this scale ever.
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I mean that is an utterly ludicrous luddite comparison that makes no sense at all and is purely coping or wishful thinking or not understanding the technologies at hand. NFTs had one usage, and in almost all cases that usage was only teased and never even implemented. Ownership of a digital item, for example owning assets in a game that you could then trade. That's it. That was never even going to effect the job market? Whereas machine learning has multiple and varied use cases, which already are working and expanding that aren't merely theoretical. They're constantly in use, and people from hobbyist to big companies can tap into the tools. I don't need to list the ways machine learning can be used do I? Especially since Sora was revealed today.

Anyways, this statement never made any sense, and its akin to saying something like how could an airplane take off in trans-Atlantic flight in popularity if the hot air balloon idea never did? Both are machines that fly! WTF! (the analogy isn't perfect, but I digress, come up with your own better one, you get the idea)
 
Fuck, I've posted my thoughts in the wrong thread so I'll just double back here:

This technology is progressing at such a rapid rate that soon everyone will be able to create their own music, movies, etc. We'll see a massive shift towards personalized content unique to each viewer. The opportunity for someone who isn't already established as an artist to create a new story/film/drawing and get the gratification of it being seen and appreciated by thousands of people is rapidly, rapidly closing. Obviously nothing precludes someone from making art for arts sake, but I imagine there is a certain kind of spiritual fulfillment and satisfaction of having your work become popular and appreciated by thousands of others across the world - and that opportunity will be effectively gone soon.


I truly don't think we're ready how AI is going to fundamentally destroy the dreams of millions of creative people. On one hand, it's tragic, but the on the other hand this is going to disproportionately impact the radical left wing dweebs on an existential level that most of us can't even wrap our head around. The true creatives I have enormous amounts of pity for, but this is effectively a countermeasure to all of the woke shit that's been pervasive in Hollywood these days too as everyone will be able to create & the playing field will be even. And speaking of Hollywood, there was an insane amount of left wing gatekeeping/raping anyway that you had to play ball with your politics, actions, buttholes, etc. maybe it is for the best that soon everyone can make Hollywood level movies of their favorite mary sues doing mary sue things.

I'm all for laughing at whiny leftist gatekeepers but I have a feeling we're gonna see some truly bleak shit this year. I feel like unfortunately a lot of unfulfilled, obnoxious lefty creative types that care more about the aesthetic/status/attention of being an "artist/writer/whatever" than actually making art will rope over this. If you haven't already made it now there's virtually no path forward for what is usually a lifelong dream. It's a brutal, existential rebuke. I'm morbidly fascinated and tagging this thread.
 
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5STA said:
NFTs had one usage, and in almost all cases that usage was only teased and never even implemented.
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I'd say that the one use NFTs had(scamming suckers out of their money) was implemented quite well.
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When was it not? You can also use real people to fake evidence and other manipluation. Nothing new.
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Yeah, except before you had to hire lookalikes and use CGI to make them look even more similar to your victim, whereas now every schmuck with access to this technology will be able to generate a full-HD video clearly depicting the face of the victim.
Good thing that it's still far from generating perfectly realistic videos.
 
cantankerous jackalope said:
The opportunity for someone who isn't already established as an artist to create a new story/film/drawing and get the gratification of it being seen and appreciated by thousands of people is rapidly, rapidly closing
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I'm not sure I really agree with this.

Consider just this forum as an example: we have multiple threads dedicated to viewing people's AI generated art. Multiple threads for listening to AI covers and creations. While we don't have much in terms of AI generated writing (as far as I know), we do have discussions on it, and it's certainly popular as a pastime outside of the forum, perhaps limited simply by being more difficult (for now.)

I've seen Youtube channels pop up that are wholly dedicated to AI content, varying in size and success just like any other channel. I'm certain there are many accounts from Twitter to Pixiv to Patreon that are based around AI generated artwork, all reaching many people, who are interested in both the novelty of a rapidly advancing tool and the quality possible from it.

But AI generated content just isn't the same!
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We also have threads dedicated to showing off non-AI works, and as far as I can tell, those are still going strong, just as many artists, both professional and online amateur, are continuing to post.

I do agree that we'll see many people lose hope, as we did over the past two years of advancement in AI art gen, but I don't believe this will spell the doom for all or even most individuals who still dream of having their work stand out. We're already living in the most crowded and cluttered era ever, in terms of content and information, with those people competing with countless others from all over the world in the online arena of attention. Anyone who is truly dedicated to as far-off a dream as striking it big online through their art will continue through this, because otherwise they would have been discouraged from doing so at the start when they realized they had to beat other artists who get millions upon millions of views every month.

Even if we enter some kind of dystopian scenario that some artists envision, where every single person is magically able to create perfect and personalized content at the push of a button (which won't happen for generations, if ever, since most people simply want to passively consume rather than learn these tools in the first place), then simply by the fact that most content will become AIgen will make their original, novel work stand out amidst the sea, garnering them more attention than they would get now, with its competitive marketplace.

Most people won't make their own movie, because they're lazy or don't have the time or simply prefer spending it on other things. How many people have all the tools they need to make their own novel, or own song, or own Starry Night, and just don't do so? There will still be a space for the "artist class", and there will still be billions of people who feel the intrinsic human need to observe the works of others for entertainment or emotion. All that will change is what tools they use, and by extension, who composes that class. If anyone turns up their nose at the idea of using AI at all, they might find they are shooting themselves in the foot compared to their contemporaries.

Any artist who kills themselves over these advancements was, realistically, not going to make it into the .01% of artists anyway.
 
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