African-American Appreciation Thread - Not Actually an Appreciation Thread

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Belisarius Cawl said:
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"Most" or "many"?
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Most. Medieval peasants engaged in family planning more than we thought, and families were not as large. Wealthier women had more children who survived as they had access to better nutrition. One of the biggest problems was puerperal fever after childbirth and pre-eclampsia, not including haemorrhaging if the baby's head was too large. Ultrasounds really are a life saver in that regard.
Cuntspiracy Man said:
most women survived childbirth
if rates were as high as most pop historians think there would be few women around to birth the 3rd, 4th and 5th child
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Pregnancy was a rather dangerous affair depending on the century you are looking at. In the example I gave, some data points suggest upwards of 30-60% maternal mortality. From this Reddit post, it gave this reference:
The best scholars have been able to put together draws from a handful parish baptism/death records from the very late Middle Ages, combined with a few early modern ones. Since living conditions themselves did not change much between the late MA and the earlier centuries of the early modern era, scholars generally considered it a fairly accurate match.

So the general numbers for source-based maternal mortality within a month of childbirth were around 1-1.5% in rural areas, and 1.5-2.5% in cities. However, those statistics only account for maternal mortality during or soon after giving birth to a child who was either alive or "alive" for baptismal purposes. Accounting for miscarriages, in particular, would increase the numbers.

Over the course of one's life, the general thought is around 10% of women died due to pregnancy causes.

Audrey Eccles, Obstetrics and Gynecology in Tudor and Stuart England, is one good place to start looking for more detailed info. Louis Schwartz, Milton and Maternal Mortality, has a pretty good chunk of relevant digitized material available in the Google Books preview.
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It is easier to get data from European sources as they kept data from baptisms, tax collectors (as seen in the Medievalists article above) or demographic data (popularized in Sweden in 1750 and has been remarkably consistent ever since). Data from Africa is harder to get due to a lack of any data. An interesting tidbit is that Africans have the shortest gestation times of any ethnic group, albeit the data only goes to 2004. It's hard to get ethnic differences in stuff like that published, but places like American Renaissance used to post articles like that.
 
Can't wait to see what happens when she re-applies this time.
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Chandelier said:
Most women did not survive childbirth ... 30-60% maternal mortality
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If birthing results in the mother's death even 50% of the time, your species will literally die out no matter what, even if you have 0 infant and child mortality. So probably this is not true because we are not extinct.
 
cigint said:
If birthing results in the mother's death even 50% of the time, your species will literally die out no matter what, even if you have 0 infant and child mortality. So probably this is not true because we are not extinct.
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You’re misunderstanding the stat. About a third of women used to die in childbirth. It wasn’t that each childbirth had a 1 in 3 chance of killing the mother.

People had way more kids back then. A lot of women died having their 5th or 6th kid. It’s just that overall, as a woman, it was likely that one of those kids was going to cause your death.

Edit: nvm it was the person you were responding to who doesn’t get it
 
Rootless Cosmopolitan said:
You’re misunderstanding the stat. About a third of women used to die in childbirth. It wasn’t that each childbirth had a 1 in 3 chance of killing the mother.
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"One in three women died in childbirth" is a more believable claim than that guy's "most women did not survive childbirth", but is also still pretty unbelievable. In the 1600s in London, more women died of "teeth" than from childbirth.
 
cigint said:
"One in three women died in childbirth" is a more believable claim than that guy's "most women did not survive childbirth", but is also still pretty unbelievable. In the 1600s in London, more women died of "teeth" than from childbirth.
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Also a huge shortage of women should lead to social unrest as seen over the centuries with China's "bare branches", up to the present time. I haven't heard of that in the context of medieval or early modern Europe.
 

Cases like this, instead of mace and an ambulance, they just need to go through lethal options. Not for nothing, he was obviously menacing and non-compliant. If the shoe was on the other face, he would've beat them senselessly or killed them with zero hesitation.
 
Belisarius Cawl said:
shortage of women should lead to social unrest ... I haven't heard of that in the context of medieval or early modern Europe
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True, but even with high birthing mortality there wouldn't have been a shortage of women, because medieval Europe was also constantly disposing of men at a pretty high rate.

But I mean sanely high birthing mortality. Not 50%.
 
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One of the funniest interrogations I've ever seen. Not only did this bitch kill her boyfriend, but when the cops told her he was dead she went through the usual black lady scream and run around frantically that they all do to make it look like they care for their own. And after she's done chimping out she calls the sister of the boyfriend (12min 46seconds) who then STARTS SCREECHING THE EXACT SAME WAY! It's so loud you can hear it through her earpiece speaker, not even on speaker phone! Hardest I've laughed in a while.
 
cigint said:
True, but even with high birthing mortality there wouldn't have been a shortage of women, because medieval Europe was also constantly disposing of men at a pretty high rate.
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That part is certainly true
cigint said:
But I mean sanely high birthing mortality. Not 50%.
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My source in this case is le Reddit because I don't feel like incurring glacial download speeds on Anna's Archive right now but:
"Over the course of one's life, the general thought is around 10% of women died due to pregnancy causes." Assuming binomial probability applies, it's pretty easy to calculate what a woman's chance was of surviving n pregnancies given the chance of dying for any given one pregnancy.
 
Bom Taker said:
So i saw this video on tiktok, its of a niggress combing her nigglit's nappy hair.
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I feel so awful for that poor kid. I'm tender headed too and used to hate when my parents brushed my hair. It took me years to get okay with brushing my hair, and even as an adult I keep my hair short so as to mitigate the pain of brushing.
You just know that black mama doesn't give a fuck about her son and won't cut his hair short, or be more gentle. She'll raise him like a fucking Spartan and laugh at his pain and make fun of him by posting him crying on the Internet for everyone else to join in laughing at him, then everyone will act shocked in 10 years when he's an emotionally constipated brute who kills someone because he can't take a joke.
 
Belisarius Cawl said:
The figures I've seen were substantially smaller
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Honestly, there are a bajillion ways to count this, plus bad stats from most places. Post birth hemorrhage/infection? Even if the actual dying part takes weeks/months? I don’t know.

It certainly wasn’t uncommon tho and everyone probably knew a few people who’d died in childbirth.

I don’t know if it was enough to create a “shortage” of women, though.
 
Rootless Cosmopolitan said:
Honestly, there are a bajillion ways to count this, plus bad stats from most places. Post birth hemorrhage/infection? Even if the actual dying part takes weeks/months? I don’t know.

It certainly wasn’t uncommon tho and everyone probably knew a few people who’d died in childbirth.
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The history of the medieval period in Europe is hard to get right. On one hand, the portrayal in something like Monty Python and the Holy Grail ("bring out yer dead!") where everyone looks like their clothes were dyed with shit is not accurate. Logic and philosophy of science (etc.) were developed in the Middle Ages, in Christendom, not solely in the Islamic world, which was (correctly) seen as a source of both keeping ancient knowledge alive and building new innovations on that old knowledge. On the other hand, living back then would have still sucked balls. Winter is approaching and, every time it does, I think about an old Middle English song, presumably not fully preserved, that describes the joy of summer turning into the bleakness of winter, when people went into survival mode:
 
Belisarius Cawl said:
The history of the medieval period in Europe is hard to get right. On one hand, the portrayal in something like Monty Python and the Holy Grail ("bring out yer dead!") where everyone looks like their clothes were dyed with shit is not accurate. Logic and philosophy of science (etc.) were developed in the Middle Ages, in Christendom, not solely in the Islamic world, which was (correctly) seen as a source of both keeping ancient knowledge alive and building new innovations on that old knowledge. On the other hand, living back then would have still sucked balls. Winter is approaching and, every time it does, I think about an old Middle English song, presumably not fully preserved, that describes the joy of summer turning into the bleakness of winter, when people went into survival mode:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2HXT4hLeatM
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Life was fragile pre antibiotics tho. I’ll never forget that the super rich dude who bankrolled the expedition to find King Tut died because he cut himself shaving and got blood poisoning. And he was only in his 40s I think.

Childbirth causes a lot of bleeding and chances to get infected. These days, it’s pretty nbd if you DO get an infection because they just give you some antibiotics. But back then, it might be a death sentence if you weren’t in great physical shape.
 
Rootless Cosmopolitan said:
Childbirth causes a lot of bleeding and chances to get infected. These days, it’s pretty nbd if you DO get an infection because they just give you some antibiotics. But back then, it might be a death sentence if you weren’t in great physical shape.
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The rudiments of germ theory existed back then. The ancient Roman scholar Marcus Varro suspected that pathogens invisible to the unaided eye caused infectious diseases and the medieval Islamic physician ibn Sina basically said the same thing. Medieval people even knew about applying moldy bread to wounds to prevent infection. That was their penicillin and I have to wonder how anyone figured it out. Still it was obviously not nearly as good as what we have today.
 
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