ADHD isn't a real disease

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adhd is like the result of a human brain being built differently. people who actually have it just work differently.
what you don't see talked about a lot is the fact that people with add/adhd can actually hyperfocus on something, usually for hours at a time. they get that shit done and are not stopping until it is.
 
WolfeTone said:
It's caused by food dyes.

Retake your God-given brain. Rid yourselves of the goyslop!
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this nigga once he finds out about natural dyes:
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Yeah, as beaten to death here, it's real, it's just over-diagnosed, and faked by piece of shit faggots making SSI harder for those with actual serious mental issues.
 
I live with someone with unmedicated ADHD. You ask them to do something, they walk through a doorway, memory wipes, they see an object and totally forget what they were doing. Routines revert back to shit they were doing months or years ago without realizing - putting stuff away where it used to go when we lived in a different house years ago. Fucker hardly sleeps, either. Mid conversation he will pull out his phone and start watching random youtube videos. He puts shit down and it'll stay there forever. He buys food, forgets to eat it until it goes bad. If you are going a distance more than a mile away without a map he will become lost.

However he is able to maintain a full time, challenging career, pay his bills, etc. Not a hopeless disease- you're just prone to being all over the place. It's like he has 3 different trains of thought running at once at all times and he hops between them without realizing. He doesn't totally 'see' everything in front of him, only the certain objects that he targets.

A smart phone is essential for him because of the calendar, maps, alarms and notes. With all that he's able to stay on track.

I suppose it could be due to something other than ADHD, however I am no doctor. It sucks sometimes though and I worry for him.

Neurotypical Mantis said:
what you don't see talked about a lot is the fact that people with add/adhd can actually hyperfocus on something, usually for hours at a time. they get that shit done and are not stopping until it is.
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^This is why he excels at his career. His main issue is the time constraints involved. Having to pick out which parts he can get done now and which ones he can leave until later gets him flustered because it breaks him out of focus.
 
Neurotypical Mantis said:
adhd is like the result of a human brain being built differently. people who actually have it just work differently.
what you don't see talked about a lot is the fact that people with add/adhd can actually hyperfocus on something, usually for hours at a time. they get that shit done and are not stopping until it is.
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And yet, the typically perscribed medication for ADHD is something like Ritalin or its stronger cousin, Adderal.
And that shit makes you hyperfocused.
I'm not a medfag so fuck if I know the truth. I'd take the sensible, middle ground and say that while ADHD is real, it's heavily overperscribed, often to people in school who just can't sit down in a classroom and behave, zonks them out in a way... And you hardly need to doctorshop to get a perscription.
 
Neurotypical Mantis said:
adhd is like the result of a human brain being built differently. people who actually have it just work differently.
what you don't see talked about a lot is the fact that people with add/adhd can actually hyperfocus on something, usually for hours at a time. they get that shit done and are not stopping until it is.
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Are you sure you're not confusing it with Aspergers? It can be comorbid with ADHD.
Dandelion Eyes said:
There's no Asperger's, you're just retarded.
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¿Por qué no los dos?

You can be retarded and not have Aspergers. You can have Aspergers and not be retarded. You can have Aspergers AND be retarded.
 
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Fireman Sam said:
And yet, the typically perscribed medication for ADHD is something like Ritalin or its stronger cousin, Adderal.
And that shit makes you hyperfocused.
I'm not a medfag so fuck if I know the truth. I'd take the sensible, middle ground and say that while ADHD is real, it's heavily overperscribed, often to people in school who just can't sit down in a classroom and behave, zonks them out in a way... And you hardly need to doctorshop to get a perscription.
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adhd meds are fucking wack. every single time i've tried them it turned me into a barely conscious zombie.
the traditional school system just doesn't work for a very good amount of people. you can't expect a child to sit still and focus for 8 hours a day.
 
Fireman Sam said:
And yet, the typically perscribed medication for ADHD is something like Ritalin or its stronger cousin, Adderal.
And that shit makes you hyperfocused.
I'm not a medfag so fuck if I know the truth. I'd take the sensible, middle ground and say that while ADHD is real, it's heavily overperscribed, often to people in school who just can't sit down in a classroom and behave, zonks them out in a way... And you hardly need to doctorshop to get a perscription.
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Heard of people not wanting to take their ADHD medication because it prevents them from hyperfocusing.
 
Waiting on my laundry to finish so I can change it over to the dryer. So here is my opinion anyone is welcome to familiarize themselves with if they choose.
I think ADHD is real. I do believe one can suffer mildly or profoundly with it. I believe mild to moderate ADHD is either self/society/parent inflicted or not 'fixed' by learning to deal with it along with gaining social skills as a child grows. I believe ADHD is very over diagnosed and most cases can be helped with some actual mindfulness training. Maybe not get rid of all the symptoms but practicing focus strengthens the ability to focus same as jogging strengthens the heart. Imo, someone with adhd is like a person who has mobility issues. The mobility issue person can do physical therapy and use tools to help gain strength they unfortunately were born lacking and tools to help navigate around them. They may never be a body builder but they can put effort into a normal functioning, albeit some more effort than a perfectly healthy person that functions normally, effortlessly. Unfair but true. Adhd people can work at gaining their focus and retention to approach 'normal' function most people do not need to try so hard for. But most of them ime do not do that. I have fried my attention with screens and scrolling and been able to work through regaining my focus ability too... it sucks but 'neurons that fire together wire together' and you can work with your own brain the same way training a muscle to get stronger is almost always an option reguardless the starting point.
 
Neurotypical Mantis said:
adhd meds are fucking wack. every single time i've tried them it turned me into a barely conscious zombie.
the traditional school system just doesn't work for a very good amount of people. you can't expect a child to sit still and focus for 8 hours a day.
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Agent Abe Caprine said:
Heard of people not wanting to take their ADHD medication because it prevents them from hyperfocusing.
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Yea precisely my thinking!
If anything, ritalin and adderal being an upper should actually work better with someone who is just chronically lazy and/or suffering from a condition where you get serious brainfog, ADHD may or may not be a part of that. But I'm a bit jaded with hearing about people talk about muh ADHD as though it's life threatening.

Not saying it wouldn't help with the latter, but you get on a strong enough dose of that shit and it'll kick your ass right into gear, make you more focused on getting a set of objectives done (which is why negative hyperfocusing can be a problem) and help you settle things and *hopefully* be more productive by slowing down the racing thoughts and shit like this... If it doesn't completely zombify you first.

But in reality, I wholeheartedly think that the cure for laziness shouldn't be in mind altering medication, your heart or lungs would sooner give out on that shit before you are truly cured. But for ADHD, perhaps people should stop popping pills so eagerly and perhaps focus first on bettering their routines, work process and generally just do things in a way where they get things done most efficiently... It's hardly schizophrenia or anything like that. Perhaps far less people actually *need* to be on those drugs than there are people currently perscribed

I bring it up because a thread on A&H a few weeks back were discussing some sort of adderal shortage, and from what I saw, many of the people in this article could straight up be called junky level addicted given they lived on this medication for most of their adult life, and they mentioned withdrawel which is probably why they're freaking out, not the fact that they wouldn't just function normally as they are if they never got on them in the first place.
And it raised the question as to if they really need them for ADHD or if they were just diagnosed with it as a general thing for one reason or another, and now straight up rely on it to function.

On the other hand, if any medication genuinely benefits someone and they seriously can't function day to day without that medication, then fine more power to them... But when you're talking about ritalin or adderal, I'd speculate there's far more underlying and serious conditions involved for people who truly *need* the drug, such as if it's taken as a counter to a downer such as high doses of antipsychotics which is commonly done (though that's a real sketchy path to walk down)... Or that they suffer from a form of ADD/ADHD that's much more severe than some school girl "uwu I'm soooo hyper eggs dee!" bullshit.
 
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ADHD is a real disorder. I have seen real cases of it, and its a fucking nightmare for the people living with. I am talking suicide sometimes comes up people just cannot cope.

However, the vast majority who get that diagnosis do not have ADHD. Plenty of times its kids being active, or really shitty parenting ("make him a zombie so I do not have to do anything for him other than sit him in front of netflix please").
 
I think a lot of so-called "ADHD" diagnoses are inflicted by the state. Gen Y was labelled the "ADHD generation" because Johnny was told to sit still like a submissive girl and listen to a teacher drone on for 8 hours straight, and when he couldn't do it the state said that something was wrong with him and that the answer was to cook his brains with drugs. Johnny doesn't have ADHD when he's playing football. Johnny doesn't have ADHD when he's drawing. Johnny doesn't have ADHD when he's playing video games. According to the government, Johnny has ADHD when he's being forced to do something they aren't interested in. Who knew? Task focus is not universal. Interest in a subject is not interest. If you homeschool, you can actually pay attention to what your kid is interested in and change your approach so you can motivate him. Giving him narcotics isn't what he needs. You're just going to warp his brain.
 
Is it really a disorder? Yes and no.
"Adhd" is less of brain disorder than being a nig.
We like to think of evolution as a gradual improvement and the word has come to mean as much, but in practise evolution is gradual attunement to environment.

You take white people, put them in africa, and their skin is not attuned to the larger amount of sun radiation. You take a mind perfect for hunting (adhd) and put it into a modern society and it's not attuned to the slower more farmer like mentality of small incremental unexciting progress.

Having been a professional dancer, the majority of dancers have adhd. You get to live a life of high octane energy the one moment and just waiting for your next performance in some crummy waiting area with a bowl of fruit and some candy the next moment. Being able to shut off during the boring moment and just sleep is an advantage for the more hunter like lifestyle, of which there are very few professional options. A very industrious person would have more difficulty with the doing nothing in between.

Though of course the overdiagnosis is increased by all the boys being treated like defective girls in school. Because it is very hard if not impossible to distinguish perpetual boredom by a humdrum environment and adhd. There are plenty of instances where kids, boys and girls are bored because they're forced to sit through complete nonsense. And shrinks are happy to sell pills, teachers are happy for the quick fix solution to a troublemaker when their classes are already to big and the student isn't mature enough to understand how he or she might be being damaged in the process.

Every book and study I've read on the subject, which is about two dozen, if they mention exercise they remark that it is more effective than any medication and if the effects of exercise would be in pill form, it would be a controlled substance.

At its core then we find the solution: the best treatment for adhd is exercise. My own recommendation is to try to find a sport or exercise you love doing, because sometimes its hard to drag yourself to it, so it helps if the activity is enjoyable, instead of the humdrum of running treadmills or lifting weights.

And the leading cause of adhd crisis besides financial and order incentives is LACK OF EXERCISE.
 
In my opinion ADHD does not exist, just as the vast majority of mental disorders (excluding stuff like low functioning autism and schizos who hear voices)

People spend a lot of time on social media and then one day they decide to try to read a book and find it is boring: of course it is. Books aren't meant to be entertaining, not in the same way as social media are. There are some books that pander to that audience and frankly they are trash. A book isn't fun when you read it, a book is fun when you are *not* reading it but you still think about it. You will not get entretained the same way you will with a TV. People find this out quickly and then call themselves ADHD cause they cannot put it effort even to have fun.

Then there is a lot of people who say they are ADHD because they cannot focus on work/school but that is because they have an incorrect mindset. People go in thinking "I just gotta do X and then I can take a break". Of course if you just do it for the reward then you will only focus on that. Rather, they should think "I will keep doing this until I am finished or I am completely exhausted, and then I will do X". If they have such a mindset they cannot cut corners and will last longer.

Thirdly, people are content to blame others for their problems. People with ADHD often complain that they would be great(better) students/workers if they did not have ADHD, but honestly who cares. Just by complaining you justify yourself that you are inferior and it is okay because you have a condition you can do nothing about. You should ALWAYS err on the side of blaming yourself rather than your environment. People with ADHD should think "I will overtake others despite having ADHD". If they keep trying they may even find out they were just using excuses before.

I say this as someone who got diagnosed with ADHD as a child and now can focus 8+ hours on studying without any medication: it is genuinely made up.
 
Neurotypical Mantis said:
adhd meds are fucking wack. every single time i've tried them it turned me into a barely conscious zombie.
the traditional school system just doesn't work for a very good amount of people. you can't expect a child to sit still and focus for 8 hours a day.
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You call yourself Neurotypical Mantis, YET you have ADHD?
No wonder you've been granted the pink triangle of fail
 
Chiliarch said:
In my opinion ADHD does not exist, just as the vast majority of mental disorders (excluding stuff like low functioning autism and schizos who hear voices)

People spend a lot of time on social media and then one day they decide to try to read a book and find it is boring: of course it is. Books aren't meant to be entertaining, not in the same way as social media are. There are some books that pander to that audience and frankly they are trash. A book isn't fun when you read it, a book is fun when you are *not* reading it but you still think about it. You will not get entretained the same way you will with a TV. People find this out quickly and then call themselves ADHD cause they cannot put it effort even to have fun.

Then there is a lot of people who say they are ADHD because they cannot focus on work/school but that is because they have an incorrect mindset. People go in thinking "I just gotta do X and then I can take a break". Of course if you just do it for the reward then you will only focus on that. Rather, they should think "I will keep doing this until I am finished or I am completely exhausted, and then I will do X". If they have such a mindset they cannot cut corners and will last longer.

Thirdly, people are content to blame others for their problems. People with ADHD often complain that they would be great(better) students/workers if they did not have ADHD, but honestly who cares. Just by complaining you justify yourself that you are inferior and it is okay because you have a condition you can do nothing about. You should ALWAYS err on the side of blaming yourself rather than your environment. People with ADHD should think "I will overtake others despite having ADHD". If they keep trying they may even find out they were just using excuses before.

I say this as someone who got diagnosed with ADHD as a child and now can focus 8+ hours on studying without any medication: it is genuinely made up.
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I feel like this should be shouted from the mountaintops because it’s absolutely true; modern life has become inundated with instant gratification. Patience is something that needs to be learned. Most of the kids I work with nowadays who claim to have ADHD are coincidentally the ones who spend the most time on their iPads/electronic devices. They cannot concentrate on reading books because their brains have been programmed to take in information presented to them RIGHT THERE and SHORT AND SIMPLE.
 
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