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Throughout the first several weeks of the virtual fall semester at Orange Coast College, the question of what will happen for spring lingered, and as of Oct. 2, that question was answered. Orange Coast College will be online for the spring.

If you look at America’s numbers, there are over 7.1 million confirmed cases, and in California alone, it surpasses a whopping 822,000. In fact, our very own President of the United States, who admitted to deliberately downplaying the virus, tested positive early Friday morning.

Seeing how COVID-19 has played out for the past nine months, it is evident that as a country, we all need to continue to stop the spread in order to get back to normal. Therefore, Coast Report unanimously agrees with the district-wide decision that Orange Coast College and its fellow district schools remain virtual and not fully reopen for the spring.

Schools opening and closing again is a waste of everyone's time, money, and motivation. Online learning, although proven to have a few downsides, is the best option for the circumstances. Returning to campus is what everyone wants, but there won’t be classes to be taught if we open too soon and risk the health of our students, faculty and staff.


Colleges including the vast UC and Cal State system had already announced they were planning to start the spring with online classes. The state’s rules prohibit indoor lectures for campuses located within 38 counties on the COVID-19 monitoring list.

Some of the few schools that have opened fully in the country – University of Notre Dame, University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, University of Washington – were forced to go back online due to outbreaks caused by parties and large gatherings earlier in the semester.

The rest of fall semester will continue to bring challenges, as well as the anticipation of spring. The goal is to learn and keep going. If you can get through college during a pandemic, you can get through just about anything.
 
For those not in college right now, here's how online fall classes are going:

As a CS & Math double major, I immediately dropped all my classes along with the math major when I found out they were all going to be online. Granted, I'm so far ahead in my credits that I just need five classes in spring to finish my CS degree a year early. So while I'm a NEET and fucking around on the internet and playing vidya all day, both my college and childhood friends have nothing but horror stories about their online classes, especially STEM ones.

  • Pretty low priority for me, but everyone I know has complained about online instruction being abysmal quality
  • Main (and pretty much only) issue I personally have: there's all kinds of issues with online testing in every way imaginable: either way too easy or too difficult depending on the professor, forced to download spyware, browser/exam software crashing, you name it.
  • Pretty much every STEM major I know is failing at least one of their classes, several have already withdrawn from one or more. Even if not failing, everyone including non-STEM majors are generally getting pretty poor grades.
  • Various other issues
So yeah, online classes are a trainwreck. Everybody's pissed, and I have absolutely no regrets. If they keep this up in spring, there's no way there won't be a massive drop-off in class enrollment.
 
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Pretty much every STEM major I know is failing at least one of their classes, several have already withdrawn from one or more. Even if not failing, everyone including non-STEM majors are generally getting pretty poor grades.
And no refunds or reduced tuition costs when they end up having to retake their failed/withdrawn courses if they were required for their major.

You did a smart thing taking a break, my dude.
 
Seeing how COVID-19 has played out for the past nine months, it is evident that as a country, we all need to continue to stop the spread in order to get back to normal.
How many more months does it take to "stop the spread" and "get back to normal"? Is there ever an actual end? They keep saying this shit as if people have the memory of a goldfish and don't remember everyone saying the summer and early fall was totally enough to stop the spread.
 
How many more months does it take to "stop the spread" and "get back to normal"? Is there ever an actual end? They keep saying this shit as if people have the memory of a goldfish and don't remember everyone saying the summer and early fall was totally enough to stop the spread.
Remember when we temporarily passed the patriot act?
Restrictions are never going away.
 
The only "difficult, but wise" decision is saying fuck it and not going to college to begin with and doing literally anything else to get yourself into the job market instead of wasting years of your life paying out the ass to sit in a dorm room and party in between doing homework.
 
How many more months does it take to "stop the spread" and "get back to normal"? Is there ever an actual end? They keep saying this shit as if people have the memory of a goldfish and don't remember everyone saying the summer and early fall was totally enough to stop the spread.

The current bullshit I'm hearing is 'at least a couple of years' but there's no way that will happen. People are already going nuts now due to the lock downs.
 
The current bullshit I'm hearing is 'at least a couple of years' but there's no way that will happen. People are already going nuts now due to the lock downs.
A couple of years. :stress:

Imagine college students having to spend a majority of their time at college, after paying thousands of dollars, dealing with this bullshit.
 
This pandemic really is the gift that keeps on giving. We are going to be sifting through the damage in a decade from now at the very least. People seem to forget that we have had this shit before, most people have already been alive for many “pandemics” already, forgetting we have to deal with this shit time and time again.



And guess what, this will not be the last one, the human race has always battled with the problem, and will continue to do so for the rest of time in all reality. If Trump was not the leader of America, this would have been the same as Foot and Mouth, or Bird Flu, something you deal with and move on from.
 
I honestly feel bad for anyone who's starting uni this year. If it were me I'd be demanding a refund. Like 80% of the uni experience is the social aspect of meeting people and making new friends, without that what's the point? These days there's almost nothing you can learn at uni that you can't learn through Wikipedia and Khan Academy for free.
 
Some colleges in the US have already reopened to in person classes with zero issues, some others outside of the US never closed.

This decision not only isn't "wise" it's contrary to experiential data.
 
So colleges are now nothing more than just online tutorials... that you pay through the teeth for.
Seriously. Places like Stanford and MIT have long had online classes you can take for free and which are of a quality that's incomparable to any online class I've ever taken. The only bummer is that you can't get tested or get credits for them.
 
Seriously. Places like Stanford and MIT have long had online classes you can take for free and which are of a quality that's incomparable to any online class I've ever taken. The only bummer is that you can't get tested or get credits for them.
Umm... why not? I also looked into it and Khan University doesn't offer certification either.
 
For those not in college right now, here's how online fall classes are going:

As a CS & Math double major, I immediately dropped all my classes along with the math major when I found out they were all going to be online. Granted, I'm so far ahead in my credits that I just need five classes in spring to finish my CS degree a year early. So while I'm a NEET and fucking around on the internet and playing vidya all day, both my college and childhood friends have nothing but horror stories about their online classes, especially STEM ones.

  • Pretty low priority for me, but everyone I know has complained about online instruction being abysmal quality
  • Main (and pretty much only) issue I personally have: there's all kinds of issues with online testing in every way imaginable: either way too easy or too difficult depending on the professor, forced to download spyware, browser/exam software crashing, you name it.
  • Pretty much every STEM major I know is failing at least one of their classes, several have already withdrawn from one or more. Even if not failing, everyone including non-STEM majors are generally getting pretty poor grades.
  • Various other issues
So yeah, online classes are a trainwreck. Everybody's pissed, and I have absolutely no regrets. If they keep this up in spring, there's no way there won't be a massive drop-off in class enrollment.


I'm also a CS student, and I also have only online classes this year. Thus far everything has worked out really well, actually in some cases much better than last year, as seemingly some professors behave less autistically when they communicate online, rather than doing lectures in normal way. Perhaps you're just enrolled to a shitty school?
 
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