1990s Political Correctness

[The Last Stand]

The black community is really perma-fucked any way you slice it thanks to the BLM kangz and the riotous joggers who looted and robbed under their flag. If we get a Kamala presidency, expect purges of Antifa and BLM as she ends up becoming the Napoleon to their Jacobins while the rank-and-file blacks and joggers are kept on the DNC plantation.

If Trump wins and we get a massive crackdown from the Feds, a lot of Whites, Asians, and Latinos are going to view blacks with disdain and extreme distrust. A lot of the Core and Late Zoomers and Alpha Generation kids who had to grow up in 2020 will remember this and will probably be genuinely racist, even if they're not cross-burning Nazis dropping N-bombs out in the open, they'll definitely have the "Around blacks, never relax" attitude and it'll be a lot more apparent.

That is in particular why I'm against BLM as an organization AND a collective identity of what it represents.

The potential aftermath of BLM in American society would set back race relations back to the 20th century. People will use this as justifications of why Black people are uncivilized.

Even when it's all over, Black people will be looked at as uncivilized, temperament, entitled savages because we reacted on impulse. Hating on other races, asking for handouts, playing the victim card, jumping to conclusions.

They don't care. They used race as a weapon to push a destructive, short term agenda that would be counterintuitive to the supposed beliefs and motives they love to preach.

I would say Black Lives Matter doesn't mean "Black lives" but code for Black bloc. It's clear that BLM/ANTIFA dislike Black people to the core but using them (the ghetto, the impressionable, the gullible) as slaves to destroy American society. Why do you think they use criminals as martyrs?

At least the Black Panthers was founded to combat actual racism in the United States and even police themselves when Black people do wrong. As militant as they were, they never did the damage that BLM did in just half a year.

 

[Frostnipped Todger]

sorry to Necro, but I was listening to some 90's anarcho-punk today, and realised this song by Citizen Fish brilliantly sums what the approach to PC culture was in the left wing 90's... Clearly the authoritarian left wasn't a dominant force, but they were creeping in.

Everyone gets a seat; no one gets left out.
The desire to equalize is starting to numb us out.
Blunting individuals, looking far too wide
beyond the need to understand that every single mind
must know its own reflection not one that has been supplied.
With over regulation we've nothing to decide.

Without the risk of failure, we've nothing to achieve.
But when failure is the basis on which a brand new moral theme
is set from past conceptions of an old morality, how far does doctrination make it seem like a repeat?
Invisible consensus.
Value added facts.
Standards shift without warning.
Something starts to crack.

Hear it on radio.
See it on a screen.
Read it in a paper.
They tell me what it means, in terms of having heard it somewhere else before, but the media self-appointed, are laying down new laws
to give us more illusions,
and this one like disease,
has spread so well we find it hard to disbelieve.

Political Correctness?
Check the words out one by one.
After years of media politics the first one is no fun.
The "correctness" reeks of classrooms, being taught to toe the line.
So don't tell me it is natural, or previously in our minds.

Anyone with a conscience knows what is right or wrong.
They are pushing what cannot be bought: a reason to belong.
PC is just a label, not a statement of ID.
Not a passport to be someone of some higher quality.
When something says it for us and repeats it enough times,
we believe we hear a chorus of other people's minds.
Then we all become self-conscious and lose the basic need
of expressing our opinions; it is the root of being free.

It's only by discussion of a difference that is known.
Learning by discerning who we meet and where we go.
No one sets morality, what you are is all your own.
PC obscures reality. What you reap is what you sow.

 

[Proud Ginga]

in the 90s when you called a nigger a nigger, he answered with yes massa. based times.

In the 1790's?

 

[ToroidalBoat]

A definite difference between the West of the '90s and now: "racism" and "sexism" were still thought of as bad then, but what was "racist" and "sexist" was more reasonable. For example, notice what "socially acceptable" humor from the '90s is like? Now it seems so-called "marginalized groups" are treated as holy, and can never be poked fun at.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

As a kid I remember some of it. Mostly it came up in school and on TV, like The Simpsons' "Homer's Phobia" episode. Of course, as a kid it mostly went over my head, but I still knew it was weird. Today I know it was pure propaganda.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Today I know it was pure propaganda.

At least that episode still poked fun at gay people in a way that likely wouldn't be allowed on American TV in Current Year.

Having a sense of humor seems to be "problematic" to the "woke" nowadays.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

At least that episode still poked fun at gay people in a way that likely wouldn't be allowed on American TV in Current Year.

Having a sense of humor seems to be "problematic" to the "woke" nowadays.

Sure, but that makes it more insidious. Sugar-coated propaganda goes down easier.

 

[Mitt Doggy Dogg]

Back in the '90s, PC culture hadn't yet become fully weaponised. As I recall, it was more a case of embedding the useful stuff from the '70s and '80s into society. It was a time when people could still openly discuss issues like diversity and equality in a more pointed and direct way, without running the risk of being cancelled.

It was also a time when blackface and brownface were still acceptable in specific contexts. My fellow boomer Ausfags may recall a sketch comedy show from the early '90s called "The Late Show", which opened with two dudes doing a double-team standup bit followed by a fake news update. Said news update would usually include an interview with a public figure of the time; many of whom weren't white. The funniest one ever was Archbishop Desmond Tutu; all traces of which appear to have been scrubbed from the 'Tube. The second funniest one ever was Pakistani cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan, who was infamous for his womanising. Even an Amerifag can see that this is funny because it's taking the piss out of his womanising and not out of the fact that he's a Paki. You don't even need to know what cricket is to get the joke (although it helps).

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4w31dUwTqa4

Roflmao, like a tiger!

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Most people have answered well enough, yet the 1990s basically estalished the Clown World which we live now. A "dry run", shall we say.

 

[GloryHole Stalker]

The word 'tolerance' was the norm. Not this new wave of 'you must agree, conform and completely accept what youre told and if you don't youre a Nazi'. Basically don't be an outright dick to people if they are different.

I was in highschool then

Having started the 1990s in my late teens, I'd say this is the biggest takeaway of that decade. Tolerance of one another's differences was what was expected. Now a very small, insane, and mostly online group (along with their pandering enablers in politics and big business) insists you must act a certain way, their way, or be forever ostracized from society.

Feminists got considerably louder and more obnoxious in that decade (although I seem to remember them gathering steam in the mid/late 80s).

In my neck of the woods at the time (Philadelphia), there wasn't nearly the racial tension there is now.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Most people have answered well enough, yet the 1990s basically estalished the Clown World which we live now.

That "dry run" wasn't as visible or distinct as Current Year Clown World though.

I think some people still remember the controversy with the Jynx character from Pokémon

Carole Boston Weatherford, a cultural critic, claimed that Jynx, which appeared in Holiday Hi-Jynx, was a negative stereotype of African-Americans in an article titled "Politically Incorrect Pokémon" on the magazine Black World Today. She chiefly compared Jynx to the racist characters in The Story of Little Black Sambo and further compared Jynx to Drag Queens and Mr. Popo of the Dragon Ball franchise, another character who is also potentially offensive in his design.

Weatherford's complaint caused many repercussions in the Pokémon franchise.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

That "dry run" wasn't as visible or distinct as Current Year Clown World though.

True enough - there was the plausible deniability that it was just a "stupid fad" that was going on in academia and perhaps just spreading through certain parts on television and media. Yet for most part, things were comfortable. At best, it was a "try to behave so we may enter a new millenium without conflicts", and at worst, something sinister (what we are getting, in my opinion).

 

[CowPox]

The media started a race riot using edited video of the arrest of some nigger, also the oj simpson trial really made for a great psychosocial stress test of sorts i always thought. Like others have said the 90's were a dry run for where we are today. Right down to a blackmailed democrat president being in office etc.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

The 90s political correctness I remember was of the right wing variety. Video games were too violent (Mortal Kombat, DOOM), music was poisoning society (Marilyn Manson, NWA), comedians were too vulgar (Howard Stern, Andrew Dice Clay). Beavis and Butthead were dumbing down children, Murphy Brown was destroying the nuclear family, the Real World was glorifying homosexuality, ect.

Identity Politics is what really switched PC from being a right wing issue to a left wing issue. You can be as vulgar as you want, just as long as it doesn't insult marginalized people. Depictions of violence are okay as long as it doesn't entertain straight white males.

Video games was Hillary and Liberman mostly, both lefties. Music was Tipper Gore (wife of Al Gore, started the PMRC) another lefty, and for the most part people thought the religious right were idiots back then and not taken seriously. There has been an active push by the left to rewrite the 90's as the religious right being so major force but if you look at magazines at the time w/ video games / culture it was uniformly ridiculed not embraced like the shit with SJW stuff.

Honestly the SJW stuff feel like a reaction to what they perceived the 90's to be like as opposed to what they really were like.

 

[Caesare]

The 90s political correctness I remember was of the right wing variety. Video games were too violent (Mortal Kombat, DOOM), music was poisoning society (Marilyn Manson, NWA), comedians were too vulgar (Howard Stern, Andrew Dice Clay). Beavis and Butthead were dumbing down children, Murphy Brown was destroying the nuclear family, the Real World was glorifying homosexuality, ect.

You'd only hear the left wing news complain about such things. Also, for things like Stern, it was women's groups and minority groups.

Occasionally, you'd hear about some pastor somewhere complaining, but that wasn't a right wing issue, it was a religious group complaining about what they felt were corrupting or sinful influences.

 

[Michael Jacks0n]

Also, for things like Stern, it was women's groups and minority groups.

Also on that note, Andrew Dice Clay was protested by women and progressives as well. He was popular among the white working class, but loathed by proto-woketards. He caused a shitstorm by hosting SNL and making jokes about Sinead O'Connor, which led to protests among one of the female cast members who refused to do the show with him -- similar to how modern faggot SNL cast members did the same with Musk and Chappelle.

Blind Mike had a fascinating video about Dice's career and his controversial SNL appearance:

I was only a kid in the 90's and although I would occasionally listen to classic Stern, I don't remember any specific groups hating him: I remember Stern pissing off people of all groups and political leanings. He was just universally viewed as this controversial, crude, potty-mouthed shock jock who did vulgar things for the sake of doing vulgar things. I personally had a lot of strict Christian friends and family members, and no one really said anything about Stern or Dice -- their ire was laser-focused on Marilyn Manson.

 

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True enough - there was the plausible deniability that it was just a "stupid fad" that was going on in academia and perhaps just spreading through certain parts on television and media. Yet for most part, things were comfortable. At best, it was a "try to behave so we may enter a new millenium without conflicts", and at worst, something sinister (what we are getting, in my opinion).

A while ago I was looking through Libgen for some academic papers, and one of the results I got was a string of nonsense leftist buzzwords that to my surprise said "1989" by it. A search for that professor brought up similar articles from the early 90s. That professor was clearly 20 years ahead of their time.

Video games was Hillary and Liberman mostly, both lefties. Music was Tipper Gore (wife of Al Gore, started the PMRC) another lefty, and for the most part people thought the religious right were idiots back then and not taken seriously. There has been an active push by the left to rewrite the 90's as the religious right being so major force but if you look at magazines at the time w/ video games / culture it was uniformly ridiculed not embraced like the shit with SJW stuff.

Honestly the SJW stuff feel like a reaction to what they perceived the 90's to be like as opposed to what they really were like.

You had it on both sides though. Marilyn Manson got protested by gun control groups after Columbine just like he was getting protested by Christian groups.

The Religious Right in the 90s probably gets exaggerated because these people were young and if you had Christian parents/lived in a Christian community, it was easy to think these people had a lot more power than they actually did. That said, I wouldn't call them weak. They were capable of getting creationism pushed in public schools and could still get stuff banned on TV (especially children's TV) in certain parts of the country like Alabama.

 

[The Hardest R]

The key difference in the 90s vs. today is that it was considered worse to be a sexist than a racist back then versus today where it is the total opposite. They’d even shame black men for being too mean to women, Eddie Murphy starred in a movie about it, something unthinkable today.

The Religious Right in the 90s probably gets exaggerated because these people were young and if you had Christian parents/lived in a Christian community, it was easy to think these people had a lot more power than they actually did.

Their influence was heavily exaggerated. Them occasionally getting a victory or have the FCC listen to them once every few years pales in comparison to the left steamrolling absolutely everything to the point where even bland yet highly watched sitcoms like Last Man Standing were actively fucked with because a vaguely patriarchal man sends the cultural tastemakers to the fainting couches. Those who ended up on the wrong side of the religious right never had their careers ruined or lost their bank accounts. Most often they became increasingly popular (see: Howard Stern, The Simpsons, etc.) and in the end were able to get everything they wanted anyway. They just became a favorite target from the left to turn into a boogeyman but they were a largely spent force and are completely irrelevant today.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

You had it on both sides though.

And in general the religious right was laughed out the room even then.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

The reality is, if you want to know why the current era is the way it is, all you have to do is read between the lines of what was happening in the 90s. Plenty of other users have posted their anecdotes here of how things were "reasonable" or "normal" back then. That should tell you everything you need to know if you're willing to really try to understand what they're saying. Think hard about everyone saying how the political correctness wasn't that bad back then and you'll understand how we got to today. Everything was seen as "reasonable" to a degree, and the people who drove politically correct narratives got free reign to push and push and push. There was no black or white, just shades of grey. Something we know isn't conducive to reality today. It existed, but people didn't see anything wrong with it because the ideas weren't that radical. If people stood up back then, and said these faggots are just plain wrong, things wouldn't have turned out this way. But instead everyone saw things in a very morally filtered lens and see things from points of view that honestly should've never been entertained as much as they were.

The reality is when I was growing up in the 90s moral fagging wasn't just normal, it was PROMOTED. People were FAR more obsessed with being perceived as a good person than they were today. There was a lot more social pressure to "believe the right things". The only difference was the Overton window was just firmly planted in the center. That was the ONLY difference. People were moralfagging just as hard in the 90s as they are today, only it was less noticeable and you didn't have the internet to catch it. It was ALWAYS there. The Overton window just moved to the left thanks to the internet.

People in the 90s were just as bad as they are today. The only difference was you really had to pay attention to see it. These were the children of Yuppie parents and time has proven that everything Charles Mason said about them was absolutely right. This generation is the result of good times and narcissism.