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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
"An expression of the era it's made"

I agree entirely..its a Soulless driven shat out by a corporation that is hiring the cheapest losers they can find then hiding behind "Wokeness" to cover for their cheap, lame and shitty product.
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Beat me to it.

"An expression of the era its made" is not indicative of quality in this case as this era just sucks and just when you think it can't suck any more, it somehow manages to get worse.

One of the reasons I reject new versions of stuff I used to like is because I know they are going to warp it into something unrecognizable and they are just slapping the brand on there to get those sweet sweeet clicks and views out of people like us. Its all a fucking con game and if they had any talent or originality, they would make new stuff, and that is becoming less and less common.

Exceptionally Exceptional said:
"I don't like the new stuff."
"OmG yOuR wHiTe MaLe EgO!"

Sounds like some dumb cunts are projecting. Me being white and male has nothing to do with it. It's that the new shit sucks ass in comparison to the older stuff. Gone is the optimism of the future, the professionalism of Starfleet, it's a hollow mockery of its former self.
With any of the older shows I would be glad to be part of that world. But with STD and Picard I would rather stay right goddamn here.
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Losing the professionalism of Starfleet is a big one for me. Watching the old Trek, Starfleet looked like something I wasn't good enough for. Like "Damn, I could never follow all those regulations" but that's also why I was never cut out for the military. But there was a dignity that Starfleet officers had that was inspiring to me. It just felt so, for lack of a better word, adult (well adult being relative to how I saw adults when I was a kid...nowadays the adults are the kids, which may explain some of the issues now). Just by the way they acted and spoke to each other, it felt like Starfleet maintained a high standard, it was tough to get into, and it was a lot of work.

The shit I see now makes it look like Starfleet is a perpetual liberal arts campus where everybody just does whatever they want and everyone is special and everyone is an overly emotional hot head.
 
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Tasty Tatty said:
Is this the episode when she loses her powers or the one when Worf wanted her to abort her baby?
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The latter. Meaning that whoever chose that image to make their argument against the EVUL PATRIARCHY just happened to choose something from an episode that, even in the late 1980s, was widely criticized for trivializing sexual assault against women.
 
"An expression of the era its made" is ironic considering that Trek was a thing in both the 60s and late 80s when TV was all full on being inclusive and diverse and, at least TOS, championed civil rights and similar struggles. And yet, people insist these never happened and ST was always racist.
 
One of the reasons I reject new versions of stuff I used to like is because I know they are going to warp it into something unrecognizable and they are just slapping the brand on there to get those sweet sweeet clicks and views out of people like us. Its all a fucking con game and if they had any talent or originality, they would make new stuff, and that is becoming less and less common.
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A buddy of mine once described it as "attempting to apply Marxism redistribution to the social capital of art."
 
Tasty Tatty said:
"An expression of the era its made" is ironic considering that Trek was a thing in both the 60s and late 80s when TV was all full on being inclusive and diverse and, at least TOS, championed civil rights and similar struggles. And yet, people insist these never happened and ST was always racist.
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They probably don't even know Nichelle Nichols was convinced to not quit the show by MLK himself because of how important her role was at the time.
 
Captain Marvelous said:
They probably don't even know Nichelle Nichols was convinced to not quit the show by MLK himself because of how important her role was at the time.
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On the contrary, I've seen several "fans" using that MLK story to justify why Star Trek (and modern media in general) needs as much representation as possible.

Of course, what these people completely ignore is the fact that Uhura's presence on the show mattered at the time since it had only been three years since businesses stopped being allowed to put "no blacks" signs in their windows, and when segregation was still within living memory for pretty much the whole adult populace of America. For that matter, Sulu's and Chekov's being on the Enterprise was meant to show how people from past (Japan) and present (the USSR) deadly enemies can be friends in the future. They all had a reason for being there beyond part of being just some box-ticking exercise.
 
HarryHowler said:
On the contrary, I've seen several "fans" using that MLK story to justify why Star Trek (and modern media in general) needs as much representation as possible.

Of course, what these people completely ignore is the fact that Uhura's presence on the show mattered at the time since it had only been three years since businesses stopped being allowed to put "no blacks" signs in their windows, and when segregation was still within living memory for pretty much the whole adult populace of America. For that matter, Sulu's and Chekov's being on the Enterprise was meant to show how people from past (Japan) and present (the USSR) deadly enemies can be friends in the future. They all had a reason for being there beyond part of being just some box-ticking exercise.
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It's what makes Star Trek uniquely susceptible to wokeness and why they keep trying to enact gay space communism.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
It's what makes Star Trek uniquely susceptible to wokeness and why they keep trying to enact gay space communism.
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Yeah, as tempting as it is to say it's purely a problem with post-2009 Trek, it's easy to forget that wokeness was actually a pretty major issue in the early seasons of Voyager as well. Janeway was a woman, so naturally she's far smarter and more empathetic than any of her male subordinates. Chakotay was a Native American, so he was far more spiritual and enlightened than anyone else on the crew. And Torres wasn't a raging asshole with zero ability to control her temper, she was just a strong woman who got justly annoyed by her condescending male colleagues.

In fact, for all the shit people gave him (and not entirely unjustly) over the years, Brannon Braga seemed to dial back a lot of the wokeness after he took over the writing staff. The worst I remember Enterprise getting in that regard was that AIDS allegory episode, which I think was something that UPN forced on the show.
 
HarryHowler said:
Yeah, as tempting as it is to say it's purely a problem with post-2009 Trek, it's easy to forget that wokeness was actually a pretty major issue in the early seasons of Voyager as well. Janeway was a woman, so naturally she's far smarter and more empathetic than any of her male subordinates. Chakotay was a Native American, so he was far more spiritual and enlightened than anyone else on the crew. And Torres wasn't a raging asshole with zero ability to control her temper, she was just a strong woman who got justly annoyed by her condescending male colleagues.

In fact, for all the shit people gave him (and not entirely unjustly) over the years, Brannon Braga seemed to dial back a lot of the wokeness after he took over the writing staff. The worst I remember Enterprise getting in that regard was that AIDS allegory episode, which I think was something that UPN forced on the show.
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Robert Hewitt Wolfe does not get enough credit for keeping DS9 grounded. Ira Steven Behr is woke AF and definitely kept making Jewish references, but clearly was not as into the geo-political nature of the Dominion War. Since Pillar moved onto Voyager, I have to conclude that Wolfe was the one who thought of how the Dominion worked and what they wanted.
 
Flexo said:
A buddy of mine once described it as "attempting to apply Marxism redistribution to the social capital of art."
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There is a reason we call all this shit "cultural marxism.", which people say it doesn't exist.

At the end, these people don't want to create art. They want to create propaganda with the help of such art. Whenever you see most of the cultural achievements of communist societies, you notice that is all propaganda. Like, when people said "look at how Cuba sends so many athletes to the Olympics!", it's for idiots to believe that everything is well in the island and most people there are so happy and well fed that they can focus on becoming athletes. China does something similar with their movies.
 
Holy shit, I forgot about that ENT AIDS episode :story:

Everyone's favorite Vulcan (T'Pol) gets Space AIDS from the disgusting and taboo practice of mind melding, which means... Spock is retrospectively a faggot or something? Idk.

The weirdest thing about that episode was that it came out with this hot take about the GRIDS in 2003. If it had been on TNG, or a very special episode of The Golden Girls, it would've at least been topical.

The movie Philadelphia, with Tom Hanks as a homosexual man dying of butt flu, came out a full 10 years earlier. Magic Johnson had told everybody about his AIDS in 1991. Seinfeld had already made fun of the AIDS ribbon nazis in 1995, the joke being that it was Kramer who was bullied for not signalling his virtue about AIDS. The ENT episode was called "Stigma", but there was no stigma by 2003, nobody was interested in being mean to AIDS patients, people were getting worked up about contemporary stuff like Dubya and the wars and the space shuttle blowing up.

I'm trying to think of what a modern version of that would be, maybe STD doing an episode about GAYMERGAAAATEEE or something? You know they want to.
 
Yeah, I tend to write "Stigma" off as Berman and Braga just churning out the most cliched, half-assed AIDS allegory possible in order to satisfy UPN's edict for an AIDS-centred episode, so that they could move onto something they were more interested in. I'm actually kind of surprised that they didn't just dust off that AIDS allegory script that David Gerrold wrote for TNG's first season, give it a quick rewrite to fit the Enterprise cast, and then film it.
 
Captain Marvelous said:
They probably don't even know Nichelle Nichols was convinced to not quit the show by MLK himself because of how important her role was at the time.
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Could be apocryphal. There are no contemporary accounts and the story changed repeatedly over the years. In one version she didn't even meet MLK, she just wondered what he would think if she quit. The autists at TrekBBS tried to confirm or deny it, all they could prove was that Nichols and King were in the same city at the same time.

www.trekbbs.com

The conflicting accounts of Nichelle Nichols meeting MLK (with sources)

I'm adapting this from a Reddit comment I made. Since I spent all the time chasing down the links for that, I thought it should be copied to somewhere...
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Standardized Profile said:
Could be apocryphal. There are no contemporary accounts and the story changed repeatedly over the years. In one version she didn't even meet MLK, she just wondered what he would think if she quit. The autists at TrekBBS tried to confirm or deny it, all they could prove was that Nichols and King were in the same city at the same time.

www.trekbbs.com

The conflicting accounts of Nichelle Nichols meeting MLK (with sources)

I'm adapting this from a Reddit comment I made. Since I spent all the time chasing down the links for that, I thought it should be copied to somewhere...
www.trekbbs.com www.trekbbs.com
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I had heard it was a phone call. Which would make sense. Or maybe MLK wrote her a fan letter.

It's not that farfetched of a story either way. I think Worf speaks wisdom on this matter.
Nichelle and MLK were both legends.
 
Standardized Profile said:
Could be apocryphal. There are no contemporary accounts and the story changed repeatedly over the years.
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I call bullshit. There's no details to her story to authenticate.

She is very clearly riddled with dementia and has to be fed lines by her 'people'. Her son has spoken out about it.
 
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