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Quark sells holosuite programs of Dax and Kira stripping.
Wasn't there an actual DS9 episode where Quark attempts to sell a holosuite program of Kira as a hooker?

EDIT: Season 3 episode 8, Meridian.
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Quark creates a custom erotic holosuite program for a rich client, starring Kira.
But Kira finds out, and secretly edits the hologram's head and voice before the client uses it:
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Speaking of TMP:

I finally got around to watching it. @White Devil was right. Those effects must have been amazing in the theater. You feel like you're sealed shut in the Enterprise as it falls under attack. V'Ger is hella disturbing: I like how it's almost organic in design. The sort of Eldritch demon you'd expect to show up in Star Trek, but rarely does. (The interior of V'Ger looks a bit like the Thirdspace planet from Babylon 5.)

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Overall, I would have to call it a success, even if the old complaints are valid: The exterior shots look like pornography at times. Decker and his bald beauty aren't given enough dialog to matter. The script is a retool of "The Doomsday Machine"; V'Ger itself will reappear as the Whale Probe from 4; even TNG has elements of V'Ger to an extent, namely "Tin Man" and Borg assimilation.
That whole movie was pornography for artists. As soon as I finished watching it I was scrambling around trying to find the art book. I fucking LOVE how they did all those sequences, who cares if they took up 3/4 of the movie's running time!
 
I've been rewatching Season 6 of TNG to catch up with a couple of episodes I missed and never had chance to watch (or only watched parts of). Some impressions:


- Lessons is a completely different episode to watch when you're in your late 30s. Picard seems to be quite an intense person when he's REALLY in love with someone and very serious and committed to it (which is a contrast with the young ladies man from Tapestry) and it makes sense he only chose one between love and career. He's not a man who could have been happy giving only 50% of himself and that would have been his life if he had been a married Captain.

Speaking of Tapestry, if you put all trolling aside, Q has been nothing but benevolent.

After Data dreams in Birthright, I liked how, when Data asks Worf about his experience with visions and says he's experienced himself one, Worf doesn't says something like "but you're a machine" like Geordi somehow does, but rather is open to hear what was Data's experience. Reasons could be either 1. Worf is more "spiritual" than the rest of the crew or 2. he really doesn't see Data as an android. Or both. Either way, I liked that detail and it really made sense with a character as Worf.

Now, what I really found interesting is Starship Mine. Not really a favorite for me and I had it more like background noise. Anyway, I mentioned in another thread how people often assume Star Trek society is perfect and everybody's happy and can do whatever they want because poverty isn't a thing. Also, some people mistakenly assume that this means their society is based on communism. Well, this episode proves all the opposite. For starters, those starships are PROPERTY of Starfleet. Property hasn't been abolished, it's been redefined.

Second, when Picard confronts the terrorist leader, he seems very revolted at the idea of her doing what she does for profit. She clarifies is not for profit but "commerce". Which is basically the same thing at the end: she's winning something from whoever is gonna get what she's stealing. This woman isn't lacking food, a house, clothes, she can do whatever she wants and go wherever she wants. Yet, she's still participating of a terrorist act in order to achieve something else (that we don't know). Society is exactly the same as it is now, except there is no one starving on earth.
 
Guest-starring Patricia Tallman in a rare speaking role, the other being a Romulan in "Timescape."

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Tallman would later describe them both as "vagina forehead" and "Liza Minnelli with jaundice." It's in her book, Pleasure Thresholds.
It also had Tim Russ getting Vulcan neck pinched by Picard.
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Question, why on earth was Alex Kurtzman’ contract renewed? Who actually likes Picard or Discovery? I have not seen anyone that actually likes them.
Kurtzman's stuff has its fans, but they're pretty quiet when there's no new episodes to discuss. If you want to rattle their cage, go to TrekBBS or r/startrek and remind them Picard is dead and a robot impersonator is running around pretending to be him. They hate that. (And it's true. The Schizoid Man, Life Support, and probably other episodes established you can't dump a humanoid's brain into a positronic net and pretend they're the same person.)

My parents watch STD and PIC out of nostalgia, which makes me sad. TNG was our Sunday afternoon ritual. We deserve better nostalgia.
 
Question, why on earth was Alex Kurtzman’ contract renewed? Who actually likes Picard or Discovery? I have not seen anyone that actually likes them.
NOT renewing his contract would mean that Discovery and Picard were failures. Since network execs (really, anyone anywhere in senior management) can never admit failure, they’re going to double down on it. Same as Kathleen Kennedy.

I hope you’re ready for Discovery s4, Picard s2 & s3, Lower Decks s2 & s3, Section 31, Star Trek: Prodigy, and Star Trek: Strange New Worlds.

These are all surefire hits and absolutely won’t be embarrassing disasters.
 
Question, why on earth was Alex Kurtzman’ contract renewed? Who actually likes Picard or Discovery? I have not seen anyone that actually likes them.
Guy gives them what they want, which like most streaming services is quantity over quality. Dude has plenty of (shitty) ideas for Star Trek shows and will get them made so that Paramount+ or whatever it's called can have lots of things to watch. It would be a problem if audiences refused to watch because they're bad shows, but most people want to just have something on and don't really care about quality or are diehard consoomers who only care about Brand Recognition. It would also be a problem if critics poorly reviewed them, but reputable critics don't care because direct-to-streaming is largely analogous to direct-to-video back in the day (unless it's something like Scorsese and The Irishman) leaving just nerd sites that are going to squeal about how much they love anything with a "nerd" brand on it (i.e. Star Trek, Star Wars, comics/comic movies, established video game brands, etc.)
 
Question, why on earth was Alex Kurtzman’ contract renewed?
He does what he's told. And Paramount wants to compete with Disney+. They need an EU, regardless of quality.
If you want to rattle their cage, go to r/startrek
Any criticism of Nu Trek warrants a ban. It's there in the sidebar. They actually have the balls the say "What Would Picard Do", as if Captain Picard would watch this tripe.

The only worthwhile sub is r/Star_Trek. Likewise, if you want candid opinions on Star Wars, talk to r/SaltierThanCrait.
 
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The only worthwhile sub is r/Star_Trek. Likewise, if you want honest opinions on Star Wars, talk to r/SaltierThanCrait.
Thanks for the Star_Trek recommendation, I'm looking at it now. I don't know if I'll join, but it's interesting to see some new discussions. I haven't been active on a Trek forum in years, but I've been a member of TrekBBS since time immemorial, and was on a few r.a.s.* groups before that. If any youngins are curious about the level of Star Trek discourse back in Usenet days, a few of the regular reviewers have archives:

* Tim Lynch was the "respectable" reviewer.
* The Cynic's Corner coined such memorable phrases as "Klingon klaptrap" and "Welfare Recipient of the Week."
* Jammer's Reviews -- this guy is still at it?!?

r/SaltierThanCrait is right about Disney, but only Disney. They're blind to the rot that existed in Star Wars before Disney. Most things made under the Star Wars brand are crap, and have been for a long time. I guess they're honest in their opinions, but they also like a lot of crap so I don't really grok them.

I'm not blind to the rot that was in Star Trek before Abrams, Kurtzman, and gang took over, either. A combination of creative burnout and network demands made Voyager and Enterprise silly and boring. The final season of Enterprise was a heroic attempt at salvaging the franchise, but it was too late.
 
Question, why on earth was Alex Kurtzman’ contract renewed? Who actually likes Picard or Discovery? I have not seen anyone that actually likes them.
There are a lot of people who "like" this new ST shows, but not in the way we normal people like something: SJWs have a very distinctive way of liking things that are bad: they are like the borg, to use an analogy in context, in the sense that they find new media that panders to them and assimilate it into their personality. Then, despite they were never fans, now they become fans and "experts" on the subject, even more, they claim, than people who've been fans for decades and has been involved in the fandom since before they were born. Do they like the new product? Not really, but they are now emotionally attacked to it, so they have the mission to protect it because, as it's part of them now, they are also protecting themselves and defending the things they believe.

Of course they don't like Star Trek. If the new shows weren't full of progressive shit, they would still mock it and ignore it as some old show producing some memes, but as it's now progressive, it's their duty to become part of this woke-collective of empowered women and black characters, get involved with it, and of course, protect it.
 
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