US Florida starts turning on DeSantis

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TALLAHASSEE — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has been untouchable for the past year as he commanded the Republican culture wars to become heir apparent to Donald Trump. The latest coronavirus surge is starting to change that.

Covid infection rates continue to climb as the state faces shortages of health care staff, morgue space and even oxygen for patients. About 16,000 people are hospitalized. Child infection rates have shot up. School districts — even in Republican strongholds — have rebelled against DeSantis’ anti-mask mandates. And cruise lines are resisting DeSantis’ vaccine passport ban. Even his recent poll numbers are slipping.


It’s new terrain for a Republican governor who defied dire expectation during the first wave of Covid-19 but has continued his hands-off approach as the more contagious Delta variant infects large swaths of Florida’s unvaccinated population.

The most recent defeat came Friday when Leon County Circuit Court Judge John Cooper ruled DeSantis can’t punish school districts for passing mask mandates, as his administration had threatened after instituting emergency rules aimed at banning mask mandates in schools. The DeSantis administration has said those districts are breaking the law, an assertion directly refuted in a blistering ruling from Cooper read from the bench during a nearly two hour hearing.

The multi-front Covid-19 battle is becoming inextricably linked to DeSantis’ 2022 re-election bid, and more broadly his future White House aspirations. The governor remains popular with conservatives across the country and in Florida, but his steadfast refusal to implement Covid-related restrictions amid hundreds of virus-related deaths in the state and rising infection numbers has the potential to threaten his electability.

“There’s no question it’s impacting him politically,” said a Republican consultant who has previously worked with DeSantis and requested anonymity to speak freely. “You can tout all the freedom and anti-lockdown that you want. There’s no political strategy for sick kids and tired parents.”

A Quinnipiac University poll released this month had DeSantis’ approval rating dipping below 50 percent, with 47 percent approving of his job performance, and 45 percent disapproving. Those numbers dropped to 44-51 when asked about his handling of public schools. The Quinnipiac poll follows other public polling that shows a similar erosion to DeSantis’ approval rating. A St. Pete Polls survey earlier this month showed 43 percent approved of the job he was doing while 48 percent did not.

The poll also brought bad news for President Joe Biden, who is the frequent target of criticism from DeSantis. Biden’s approval rating sits at 40 percent in Florida, while 53 percent disapprove of his job performance. The poll was conducted between Aug. 17 and 21, a time when Biden was facing heavy criticism over his withdrawal from Afghanistan, an issue that has kept the national news cycle from focusing on DeSantis and Florida’s Covid-19 situation.




Yet DeSantis has focused in recent weeks on traversing the state to tout new sites that deliver the monoclonal antibody treatment. The treatment can reduce the likelihood that a Covid-19 patient lands in the hospital if it is given shortly after infection. But it is far less effective than vaccines at preventing severe illness and death. The state has so far opened up 21 of the sites and the conservative media outlet One America News Network will air a 2-day series on the treatments with the title “America's Governor & Florida's Grit: How Antibody Therapy Combats COVID-19.”

“We think the thing that has the most impact to keep people out of the hospital and save lives is to really make sure this early treatment is something people have access to,” DeSantis told reporters Thursday. “Even with a massive number of people vaccinated, you still have prevalence.”

“It’s going to be part of life,” DeSantis added.

His fight with schools over masking children, however has also escalated. Already, 10 school districts have bucked the governor over his order banning schools from implementing mask mandates, including Sarasota County and Indian River County school districts, which are in conservative-leaning regions of the state.

But Cooper, the judge who ruled against DeSantis Friday, opened the door for more local defiance. Cooper not only ruled against the administration, but said that previous legislation DeSantis-championed known as the “Parents Bill of Rights” actually allows districts to craft their own mask policies.

“A school district, adopting a policy, such as a mask mandate, is acting within its discretion it has been given by the Florida Legislature in the Parents Bill of Rights,” Cooper said. “"The doctrine of separation of powers requires that the discretionary power exercised by the school board, cannot be interfered by the judiciary, or by the executive branch of government.”



DeSantis insists Florida will have a 'normal school year', despite Covid surge



DeSantis communications director Taryn Fenske said they would appeal.

“It’s not surprising that Judge Cooper would rule against parent’s rights and their ability to make the best educational and medical decisions for their family, but instead rule in favor of elected politicians,” she said. “This ruling was made with incoherent justifications, not based on science and facts.”

Infection rates for kids under 12, who are not yet eligible for the vaccine, last week increased to 23 percent, up from an average of 15 percent since March 1. Nearly 17,000 Covid-19 patients are in hospitals, far above the 2020 peak. And Florida’s nearly 1,500 deaths reported last week was by far the biggest single seven-day increase since the state started reporting Covid-19 data.

DeSantis' losses over Covid-19 policy have not been confined to land.

Disney, one of Florida’s largest Republican donors, this week joined Carnival, Norwegian and Royal Caribbean in requiring vaccines for passengers older than 12. The wave of cruise operators requiring vaccines was, in part, prompted by vaccination requirements for cruise passengers put in place by the government of the Bahamas, which is the first stop for most major cruise ships. It’s a direct violation of DeSantis-pressed legislation that bars vaccine passports as well as guidance from the federal government over cruise ship safety.

Earlier this month, a federal judge in Miami blocked Florida from enforcing the law against Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings, a ruling that gave cover for other industry operators — like Disney — to go against DeSantis’ wishes on vaccine passports. Attorneys for DeSantis plan to appeal the decision.

DeSantis has continued to use the pandemic to help what has been a well-oiled political fundraising machine. Most recently, the governor’s political committee sent a fundraising email based on a feud he had with the Associated Press, which published a story implying DeSantis was boosting monoclonal antibody treatments to help a political donor.

That story was met with a blistering response from DeSantis press secretary Christina Pushaw, whose attack on the reporter who wrote the story landed her a 12 hour Twitter suspension and prompted the wire service to send a letter to DeSantis asking his office to stop “bullying” reporters.
The governor’s political rivals are also keying in on the pandemic, with Rep. Charlie Crist and Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried, DeSantis’ top 2022 Democratic rivals, turning their focus to the administration’s response.

“Governor DeSantis has made it clear that he wants to put politics over keeping schools open and keeping our economy strong,” Crist’s campaign said in an email. “But today’s ruling makes clear that he’s overstepped his authority.”

 
It's not even all of Florida, it's specifically the cities of Miami and Jacksonville. Those are the two largest cities by population and by size, respectively. They were relatively unscathed compared to large cities in other states earlier in the Covid hysteria, and now they're getting their turn to have a spike. Just like every other city in the country.

If this is about DeSantis' 2022 election, he's got a year for the spike to subside and people to forget about it. If the other states are still freaking out and locking down next year, in the middle of the election after 2 years of public freakouts, he's going to look a lot better.
I'm banking on lockdowns lasting until the DeSantis administration lifts them in 2025.
 
"Infection rates for kids under 12, who are not yet eligible for the vaccine, last week increased to 23 percent,
This means either, as written, that 23% of kids have Covid, in which case you're arguing that Covid's lethality to kids under 12 is infinitesimal because we're not seeing deaths skyrocket amongst kids; or, as I suspect, you're misspeaking and you're meaning that infections have risen by 23% amongst under 12s. In which case, golly gosh, we've moved from 1 in a million to 1 in 770,000 kids having it. Either way, if there's an infection rate of 23% for kids and the kids are fine, you're making an argument that kids under 12 don't need to give a shit about Covid.
 
Wait, you're not even American? Lmfao, is that you APC?
Nah, APC was a Canuck.
PP is Eurotrash. Most guesses are that he's a Redcoat, but nobody knows for sure.
This means either, as written, that 23% of kids have Covid, in which case you're arguing that Covid's lethality to kids under 12 is infinitesimal because we're not seeing deaths skyrocket amongst kids; or, as I suspect, you're misspeaking and you're meaning that infections have risen by 23% amongst under 12s. In which case, golly gosh, we've moved from 1 in a million to 1 in 770,000 kids having it. Either way, if there's an infection rate of 23% for kids and the kids are fine, you're making an argument that kids under 12 don't need to give a shit about Covid.
But... but... but muh long-turm effekts!
 
A Quinnipiac University poll released this month had DeSantis’ approval rating dipping below 50 percent, with 47 percent approving of his job performance, and 45 percent disapproving. Those numbers dropped to 44-51 when asked about his handling of public schools. The Quinnipiac poll follows other public polling that shows a similar erosion to DeSantis’ approval rating. A St. Pete Polls survey earlier this month showed 43 percent approved of the job he was doing while 48 percent did not.

The poll also brought bad news for President Joe Biden, who is the frequent target of criticism from DeSantis. Biden’s approval rating sits at 40 percent in Florida, while 53 percent disapprove of his job performance. The poll was conducted between Aug. 17 and 21, a time when Biden was facing heavy criticism over his withdrawal from Afghanistan, an issue that has kept the national news cycle from focusing on DeSantis and Florida’s Covid-19 situation
If Quinnipac (lol) still has DeSantis in the black and Biden massively in the red, things are really fucking bad for the Dems in Florida.
 
TBF Florida has a population larger than most European countries so...
Also, considering it skews older.... shouldn't that mean even MORE rona' deaths? Back when we were doing it all to "Save Grandma"?

Or did I dream that up?

Hard to tell when the goals and means of managing this all keep changing and being formally erased all the time.
 
TBF Florida has a population larger than most European countries so...
The Floridian empire cannot come soon enough.
It's not even all of Florida, it's specifically the cities of Miami and Jacksonville. Those are the two largest cities by population and by size, respectively. They were relatively unscathed compared to large cities in other states earlier in the Covid hysteria, and now they're getting their turn to have a spike. Just like every other city in the country.

If this is about DeSantis' 2022 election, he's got a year for the spike to subside and people to forget about it. If the other states are still freaking out and locking down next year, in the middle of the election after 2 years of public freakouts, he's going to look a lot better.
Even still, this spike has impacted nobody, like everywhere. The only way you'd be aware of spikes anywhere is if you're glued to the news.
 
Even still, this spike has impacted nobody, like everywhere. The only way you'd be aware of spikes anywhere is if you're glued to the news.
This may be PL but everyone who has gotten sick at my work were not working during the pandemic. Meanwhile everyone who was and got a nasty cough last year in February are perfectly fine. Most of us don’t even have the jab and don’t wear masks when homo resources are out.
 
Yeah Florida has a massive 50+ population because that's where all the well-off yankees retire to, so you would actually expect Florida's death rate to be much higher (since you know, the majority of people affected by coof are elderly).
Even with that Florida handled it better than NY, I guess not culling your elder pop to own the orange man is not how you handle a pandemic.
 
He hasn't. Desantis has handled the pandemic far better than the governors of hard blue states like New York and New Jersey as people in his state are far safer from the virus.
But there's no media pressure to pin any corona deaths in blue states on blue governors so they get a free pass.
It's pretty simple. they are all fuck ups. Why give Desantis a pass for fucking up a little less than New York. I say fuck em all.
 
Nobody cares what Eurotrash says or thinks (yes, I am aware I am giving Europeans too much credit with this one) about a superior country, is the thing.
 
Imagine being from Europe and being so assblasted about American politics that you follow news about a state governor.

A pathetic existence.
You really are paranoid about me, no idea why. I follow news from all counties when I can, if I find something interesting but not yet posted here, why wouldn't I post it? I mean that is a normal thing to do on this site.

Hell, do you only post or talk about issues from your country?
 
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