🐱 Libertine Conservatives

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There are various kinds of conservatives: Burkean conservatives concerned with preserving communities and traditions. Free-market conservatives committed to economic growth. Neo-conservatives who believe American values should be spread abroad, by force if necessary. Libertarian conservatives prioritize personal liberty and small government. Common-good conservatives champion the working class and are willing to use the government to direct the economy for the good of all. Social conservatives are pro-life and support traditional morality.


Now we are hearing about another kind of conservatives, variously known as barstool conservatives, libertine conservatives, porn conservatives, or “sex, drink, and rock ‘n’ roll” conservatives.

Here is how one of their number, Brandi Love, describes them:

I am both a conservative and a Christian. I am not, however, a zealot. I have travelled all over the United States meeting fans for more than 15 years. There are millions. My fan base is now, and has always been, what I like to refer to as Sex, Drink, and Rock ‘n Roll conservatives.
My members are a direct reflection of me: Constitutional, red state, Second Amendment-supporting pro-lifers who support our troops and our rights to free speech. We love God and our flag but generally dislike organized religion. We like to hang out on the deck drinking a beer, talking sports, listening to country, rock, and rap while using colorful words to describe Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Anthony Fauci.
Brandi Love is a porn star.

She was in the news recently because she was going to attend a conference of Turning Point USA, an organization for young conservatives, some of whom are minors. But when the organization learned of her profession, her ticket was revoked. Whereupon the adult film star claimed that she was “cancelled,” just like the liberals do, and her free speech was infringed.

What is significant is that many prominent conservatives came to her defense. And it turns out, there are a lot of grass roots conservatives who are on her side.

Matthew Walther sees in them a new kind of social conservative, arguing that they played a big part in Donald Trump’s success. Indeed, Donald Trump–the gambling magnate with his womanizing, including consorting with porn stars–not only appeals to but exemplifies this mindset:

What Trump recognized was that there are millions of Americans who do not oppose or even care about abortion or same-sex marriage, much less stem-cell research or any of the other causes that had animated traditional social conservatives. Instead he correctly intuited that the new culture war would be fought over very different (and more nebulous) issues: vague concerns about political correctness and “SJWs,” opposition to the popularization of so-called critical race theory, sentimentality about the American flag and the military, the rights of male undergraduates to engage in fornication while intoxicated without fear of the Title IX mafia. Whatever their opinions might have been 20 years ago, in 2021 these are people who, with varying degrees of enthusiasm, accept pornography, homosexuality, drug use, legalized gambling, and whatever GamerGate was about. On economic questions their views are a curious and at times incoherent mixture of standard libertarian talking points and pseudo-populism, embracing lower taxes on the one hand and stimulus checks and stricter regulation of social media platforms on the other.


Walther calls these folks “Barstool conservatives,” not because they frequent bars, though they do, but because they are the audience of Dave Portnoy’s liberal-bashing sports site Barstool. Comments Walther, “as Portnoy emerged as one of America’s most visible critics of the lockdown policies instituted by virtually every state governor, it became clear to me that more so than anyone else he embodied the world view of millions of Americans, who share his disdain for the language of liberal improvement, the hectoring, schoolmarmish attitude of Democratic politicians and their allies in the media, and, above all, the elevation of risk-aversion to the level of a first-order principle by our professional classes”.

Nate Hochman, writing in the American Mind, has fired back with a post entitled No, Porn Stars Are Not Conservative. He makes the case that conservatism has to be about conserving a moral social order. He blames the libertarian strain of conservatism. He writes, “An insidious libertarianism has captured the language and worldview of the modern right. The inability to distinguish between liberty and license is endemic to today’s conservative mainstream.”


Responding to that, Bonnie Kristian–a libertarian who is also a Christian–writes that The right’s new libertinism isn’t libertarian. Libertarians are concerned about small government and free markets, something that these “libertine” conservatives care little about. (Never mind that when the Turning Point USA organization banned Brandi Love, libertarians tweeted that they would be welcome at their events.) Meanwhile, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky), who is both a libertarian and a social conservative, explained that a concern for personal liberty necessarily entails support for strong families, arguing that Libertarian is not Libertine.

So what is your take on all of this? Virtually all of these brands of “conservatives” do hold to certain beliefs in common. They are all pro-life, patriotic, support the Constitution, believe in the Second Amendment, oppose the politically ethos, and are against coercive liberalism.


That’s not nothing. Surely all of these kinds of conservatives, including the porn-loving kind, would vote on a common candidate. Isn’t that kind of political alliance–despite religious and moral differences–necessary in democratic politics?

Then again, though we might be political allies, that doesn’t mean that the differences between these kinds of conservatives are not of monumental importance. We certainly don’t have to invite each other to each other’s conferences.

This controversy is also a reminder that Christians involved in politics–even conservative politics–are not necessarily going to find a predominance of kindred spirits. Christians should work for their issues–fighting abortion, promoting families, opposing moral decadence, protecting religious liberty, etc.–and this may involve working with various co-belligerents, some of whom they will oppose on other issues and some of whom might not even be conservatives.
 
Nate Hochman, writing in the American Mind, has fired back with a post entitled No, Porn Stars Are Not Conservative. He makes the case that conservatism has to be about conserving a moral social order. He blames the libertarian strain of conservatism. He writes, “An insidious libertarianism has captured the language and worldview of the modern right. The inability to distinguish between liberty and license is endemic to today’s conservative mainstream.”
Oh hey it's the rebranded religious right with their dumb opinions trying to hijack things again.
 
Oh hey it's the rebranded religious right with their dumb opinions trying to hijack things again.
Libertarian detected.

The pornographic industry as revolutionized by Hefner, Flynt, and high-speed internet has been an absolute blight on children-- and, accordingly, successive generations. Anyone with eyes would be able to tell you this. Those who operate in the industry are complicit, and should be given no quarter-- regardless of what they would like to call themselves.

I mean, how the hell is Brandi Love a conservative? She can't even conserve her anal integrity. She's not even a poser-- she's a grifter. It's one thing to talk about being a conservative as you participate in a neoliberal machine, but it's beyond the pale to suggest that you're somehow a Christian "saved by grace".
 
Libertarian detected.

The pornographic industry as revolutionized by Hefner, Flynt, and high-speed internet has been an absolute blight on children-- and, accordingly, successive generations. Anyone with eyes would be able to tell you this. Those who operate in the industry are complicit, and should be given no quarter-- regardless of what they would like to call themselves.

I mean, how the hell is Brandi Love a conservative? She can't even conserve her anal integrity. She's not even a poser-- she's a grifter. It's one thing to talk about being a conservative as you participate in a neoliberal machine, but it's beyond the pale to suggest that you're somehow a Christian "saved by grace".
Jesus was nice to a whore so you should be too. So there.
 
There are various kinds of conservatives: Burkean conservatives concerned with preserving communities and traditions. Free-market conservatives committed to economic growth. Neo-conservatives who believe American values should be spread abroad, by force if necessary. Libertarian conservatives prioritize personal liberty and small government. Common-good conservatives champion the working class and are willing to use the government to direct the economy for the good of all. Social conservatives are pro-life and support traditional morality.


Now we are hearing about another kind of conservatives, variously known as barstool conservatives, libertine conservatives, porn conservatives, or “sex, drink, and rock ‘n’ roll” conservatives.
Let me translate it:
Burkean conservatives - Shit parents who let their children become leftards and seethe online about how this new generation has no morals.
Free-market conservatives -Fucking idiots who don't get that there is no difference between current monopolies and the government in curbing rights.
Neo-conservatives - Retards who never had combat service and are perfectly willing to send the next generation to die to get the elites richer.
Libertarian conservatives - Free-market by another name, but crazier.
Common-good conservatives - Cucks who work for minorities only for the minorities to vote for the other party.
Social conservatives - Burkean but all about dat fetuses.
Libertine conservatives - Leeches who see the movement as the next good place of victim points and a way to get the cucks described above to get more money as "look we're the cool kids".
 
Libertarian detected.

The pornographic industry as revolutionized by Hefner, Flynt, and high-speed internet has been an absolute blight on children-- and, accordingly, successive generations. Anyone with eyes would be able to tell you this. Those who operate in the industry are complicit, and should be given no quarter-- regardless of what they would like to call themselves.

I mean, how the hell is Brandi Love a conservative? She can't even conserve her anal integrity. She's not even a poser-- she's a grifter. It's one thing to talk about being a conservative as you participate in a neoliberal machine, but it's beyond the pale to suggest that you're somehow a Christian "saved by grace".
Ok Reverend Lovejoy. Tell me more about how we need to do the shit you say and adopt your social mores "for the children". Surely it will work this time and not just piss off a bunch of people and make enemies of them.
 
Ok Reverend Lovejoy. Tell me more about how we need to do the shit you say and adopt your social mores "for the children".
You ninny. The society we leave behind, and its welfare, indeed involves "the children" that carry on for us.

Surely it will work this time and not just piss off a bunch of people and make enemies of them.
So we should ally with people whose ideas facilitate the multilateral descent into the Clown World we complain about-- without so much as an escape plan where they're cut loose-- because... they might dislike us?

And we shouldn't bother worrying about internal sabotage by the same parties?

How well have you worked out this thought-terminating cliché?
 
>Brandi Love
>Conservative
>Unironically shoots cuckold porn in your path
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Libertinism/Hedonism follows this same track throughout history. 'We're just having fun!' Well, if everyone having fun is the highest good, who's actually getting any work done? Nobody. Is there a happy median between being a whore vs. being a Cathar? Yes, I'm sure there is. But I've said this elsewhere. The last time the Right allowed unreconstructed leftists (Trotskyites) into their house, the Trots mutated into Neoconservatives who have led us by the nose into multiple 'Wars for Democracy.' What do you think the 'sex, beer, and drugs, but I support DA TROOPS' libertines will morph into?
 
You ninny. The society we leave behind, and its welfare, indeed involves "the children" that carry on for us.


So we should ally with people whose ideas facilitate the multilateral descent into the Clown World we complain about-- without so much as an escape plan where they're cut loose-- because... they might dislike us?

And we shouldn't bother worrying about internal sabotage by the same parties?

How well have you worked out this thought-terminating cliché?
The reason we are in this mess is because a whole generation of people walked the fuck away because moral busybodies made the entire platform unpalatable for a wide portion of Americans. Remember the scare about vidya games? Remember them shitting themselves about telletubbies? Remember them trying to shoehorn their religious beliefs into schools? Most Americans hated that shit.

Well here we are again with the same jackasses making up bullshit about how drinking beer and looking at titties will destroy the country. It won't. Not only that but those things are wildly popular with the working class and all you are doing is pushing more people, who would be right with ya, into the other camp. And for what? To make up for your shitty parenting?

The internal sabotage is by the religious nutters. They just rebranded and are up to their same old shit.
 
I seem to remember that many of the people complaining about video games were Democrats.

Strange how that never comes up.
 
every post by catparty is either cope or seethe, with a bit of dilate mixed in. we get it, you hate trump. give it up already.
 
The reason we are in this mess is because a whole generation of people walked the fuck away because moral busybodies made the entire platform unpalatable for a wide portion of Americans.
And disgruntlement with "moral busybodies" somehow also made people forget about morality altogether.

This totally has nothing to do with a decades-long infiltration of actual communists and their corrupted-yet-nevertheless-effective acolytes and pawns in every one of our cultural generators. Has nothing to do with the sexual revolution that spawned from an iteration of feminism that is literally recolored Marxism. Has nothing to do with said feminism glorifying domestic dysfunction and broken homes, as well as systematically lying about the cost/benefit analysis of turning yourself into a community whore. Has nothing to do with said feminism undermining men by lying about what society expects of them. Has nothing to do with massively expanded immigration without regards to the already extant population or the cultural and moral assimilation of said immigrants, then turning a blind eye to illegal immigrants (while still not accounting for their cultural and moral assimilation) without regard to the welfare of the working class now being beat out by them in the domestic labor market.

No, it has to do with people that even the average practicing Christian couldn't have been taking seriously. That's why everyone got so fed up with even having standards at all, to the point that-- among many, many other things-- you have a new generation of prostitutes that lack the awareness to properly recognize that they're prostitutes, as well as shit like "WAP" beamed into the eyes and ears of an inchoate generation of women, especially that of an already repeatedly sabotaged black American community.

You really believe that this all happened just because some idiots waged war on Tinky-Winky and lost. Meanwhile, your opposition is fucking carving your kids up and setting them up for several cancers, brittle bones, and mental retardation in the name of a social contagion they facilitate and you'll have practicing Christians defend them full-throatedly.

Well here we are again with the same jackasses making up bullshit about how drinking beer and looking at titties will destroy the country. It won't. Not only that but those things are wildly popular with the working class and all you are doing is pushing more people, who would be right with ya, into the other camp.
If they go into a camp that advocates the mutilation of children in the name of a social contagion they spread and accomodate, and are hellbent on ideologies and policies that screw you, Joe Sixpack, over, could they have ever been on your side to begin with?
 
And disgruntlement with "moral busybodies" somehow also made people forget about morality altogether.

This totally has nothing to do with a decades-long infiltration of actual communists and their corrupted-yet-nevertheless-effective acolytes and pawns in every one of our cultural generators. Has nothing to do with the sexual revolution that spawned from an iteration of feminism that is literally recolored Marxism. Has nothing to do with said feminism glorifying domestic dysfunction and broken homes, as well as systematically lying about the cost/benefit analysis of turning yourself into a community whore. Has nothing to do with said feminism undermining men by lying about what society expects of them. Has nothing to do with massively expanded immigration without regards to the already extant population or the cultural and moral assimilation of said immigrants, then turning a blind eye to illegal immigrants (while still not accounting for their cultural and moral assimilation) without regard to the welfare of the working class now being beat out by them in the domestic labor market.

No, it has to do with people that even the average practicing Christian couldn't have been taking seriously. That's why everyone got so fed up with even having standards at all, to the point that-- among many, many other things-- you have a new generation of prostitutes that lack the awareness to properly recognize that they're prostitutes, as well as shit like "WAP" beamed into the eyes and ears of an inchoate generation of women, especially that of an already repeatedly sabotaged black American community.

You really believe that this all happened just because some idiots waged war on Tinky-Winky and lost. Meanwhile, your opposition is fucking carving your kids up and setting them up for several cancers, brittle bones, and mental retardation in the name of a social contagion they facilitate and you'll have practicing Christians defend them full-throatedly.


If they go into a camp that advocates the mutilation of children in the name of a social contagion they spread and accomodate, and are hellbent on ideologies and policies that screw you, Joe Sixpack, over, could they have ever been on your side to begin with?
Why are you attributing all the shit the other side pushed for to the fence-sitters? My case is that because of the failure and overreach of the moral majority it ceded the institutions and narrative to the left. Doubling down and trying that shit again is not going to work and you will just continue to lose ground as the majority will just refuse to take a side as the rot spreads.

Tolerating people living their lives how they want (sex, beer, rock and roll) is going to make very clear who the authoritarian censorious Machiavellian assholes are. Reinventing the party as the dad from Footloose to stop dem marxist communists is not. That way was tried before. It failed spectacularly as people recognized that is was the same bullshit just pushed from the other side.

Most folks live normal lives. Their children are normal. They work normal jobs. They have absolutely no interest in far left bullshit being shoved down their throats. The move is to let your enemies continue to make the mistakes and alienate the populace. Not go on the warpath by creating some gigantic retard monster to oppose them which forces everyone to take a side. Joe Sixpack just wants to grill not be involved in some stupid culture war.
 
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