UK Welsh language declared racist - It's horrible, but racist? Come on...

Art council’s use of Welsh language ‘excludes ethnic minorities’, body’s own repor

Leading cultural institutions demonstrating racism in ‘calculated and repetitive’ fashion, report says

www.independent.co.uk

Two leading cultural bodies in Wales are structurally racist and their Welsh language requirements risk excluding minorities, a report commissioned by the organisations themselves has concluded.

The Arts Council of Wales and Amgueddfa Cymru - the National Museum Wales - commissioned research looking into their inclusion efforts.

The Arts Anti-Racist Union, which carried out some of the research, said that neither body had done enough to engage with people from black and ethnic minority backgrounds.

“Black and non-black people of colour are not more present” because of a “concerted structural effort - one that is very much present in the attitudes and behaviours of those in power”, the report said.

It also said the organisations excluded black and minority people not through “willful ignorance”, but as part of a “calculated and repetitive pattern”.

“Some black artists noted that they were only given commissions during Black History Month, despite having applied to work with the Arts Council of Wales and Amgueddfa Cymru - National Museum Wales (ACW and NMW-AC) on numerous occasions throughout the year,” the report added.

Meanwhile, the report said current Welsh language policies in the organisations’ applications processes “can exclude Black and non-Black people of colour”, recommending that marginalised artists and art workers should receive support to learn different languages in addition to Welsh .

It added that a group of people from ethnic minorities consulted on their experiences of the art sector in Wales had called for the organisations to “relax the emphasis” on requirements for staff having to speak Welsh.

Those who were consulted also urged the organisations to offer “job sharing in roles that may require Welsh language proficiency.”

The Arts Council of Wales currently requires the Welsh language skills of staff to be tested annually through a self-assessment.

In a joint statement, Arts Council of Wales and Amgueddfa Cymru, which have also commissioned research into their engagement with poorer communities and those living with disabilities, said they "welcomed the findings" and would take steps to address the concerns outlined in the report.

"The approaches taken by all three organisations focused on collaborating with communities rather than extrapolating from communities, and provide a range of important findings and recommendations," the statement added.

"Arts Council of Wales and Amgueddfa Cymru will publish a joint action plan with a timeframe for taking forward the recommendations in the autumn."
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Oh no! Native languages can be considered racist now guys! Especially if they're already dying minority languages!

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

Bitch I love books about history, that's why I'm saying history it's a shit basis for a values system. I'm not talking about history as a concept. Jesus christ I know your type is literal minded to the point of being autistic but this is just sad.

Oh sure, because appreciating your culture means to only endorse only the absolute worst things a few people did over the entire course of history. What an unoriginal strawman.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

What? You want your language and culture to survive? Must be some sort've racist.

At what point do you think the many native groups of Europe will realize there is a war on there Race, culture, history, and there future, That there ruling class absolutely hates them and wants nothing more then there destruction, Will any of them wake up and do something?

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Oh sure, because appreciating your culture means to only endorse only the absolute worst things a few people did over the entire course of history. What an unoriginal strawman.

Appreciate whatever the fuck you want, but if you think it is a basis for a political or values system simply because it is old you are fucking stupid. Here's a question: why is "your culture" only the parts of a national history you people like? Why isn't it public executions and institutionalized pederasty a la Greece? It's only what makes you feel nice, only what makes you feel important.

You're not, you're another arrogant monkey who thinks his bullshit fantasies are more important then they are.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

Appreciate whatever the fuck you want, but if you think it is a basis for a political or values system simply because it is old you are fucking stupid. Here's a question: why is "your culture" only the parts of a national history you people like? Why isn't it public executions and institutionalized pederasty a la Greece? It's only what makes you feel nice, only what makes you feel important.

You're not, you're another arrogant monkey who thinks his bullshit fantasies are more important then they are.

Of course I like the good parts, I literally just said that. Scared I believe in different things than you? Just gonna keep doing it, cry more.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

Not enough l's, g's, d's or h's for that.

Isn't Welsh the reason why English has to pretend Y is a vowel?

 

[Tree]

If good and true things are racist, then it is wrong to not be racist. I hate the anti-christ, I hate the anti-racist.

Hot take: nobody's "culture" is inherently valuable

"Nothing has inherent value except the upvotes I get on /r/philosophy."

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Of course I like the good parts, I literally just said that. Scared I believe in different things than you? Just gonna keep doing it, cry more.

This is the kind of thing people type when they know they got jack shit

 

[Nuke the Whales]

Appreciate whatever the fuck you want, but if you think it is a basis for a political or values system simply because it is old you are fucking stupid. Here's a question: why is "your culture" only the parts of a national history you people like? Why isn't it public executions and institutionalized pederasty a la Greece? It's only what makes you feel nice, only what makes you feel important.

You're not, you're another arrogant monkey who thinks his bullshit fantasies are more important then they are.

Generally when people are looking to learn from history the goal is to separate the wheat from the chaff not embrace it all. The Renaissance thinkers didn't say "Golly gee, this Greco-Roman architecture, philosophy and literature is good but for the sake of completeness let's bring back Bacchante anal rape rituals as well." Aside from the presuppositions you've made in your head, there's no ethical or logical inconsistency in selectively retaining elements of history. By your standard, if I were to argue for the the re-popularizing of Greek Symposiums then I'm somehow being self aggrandizing by not also arguing for child rape. You see how your comment is a logical train wreck?

Also, I know you're doing the whole edgy nihilist thing but it seems weird that you deny history as a learning tool. A lot of people have tried a lot of things in a lot of situations. Treat them as case studies, and you can see where they went right and where the went wrong. That's the basic learning methodology for pretty much every other social science as well. Comparing and contrasting how real people acted in various pollical, geographical, economic, and religious contexts seems like it would be a decent basis for knowledge. Where am I wrong?

Identity? They've all failed, world sucks. Build a new one. A better one.

I'm genuinely curious. "Better" are "failed" are objective term. Can you outline by what standard all previous identities have failed? Also what would constitute a "better" identity?

 

[Jack O'Lantern]

Yeah that's a pretty shit analysis OP. They aren't saying the language is racist, they're saying requirements to speak it in government funded cultural projects basically means everybody who doesn't never gets a job. Which is just objectively true, whether you think it's "worth it" or not

And how is this Wales problem?

PoC chose to move there. If they can't be bothered to learn Welsh then they can't complain when they can't get work.

 

[Mealy Mouth Spittle]

If I move to an African nation, do I have the right to demand that accommodations be made to allow me to take a job which requires knowledge of the native language when I don't speak it? After all, I'd be a minority in an African nation. What if it was one of those African click languages that hardly anyone uses? Couldn't a white person make the case that hiring a minority who couldn't speak the language was more important than preserving a dying language? I bet that would be considered "white supremacy" to demand other people change their language so you don't have to be bothered to learn it.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

This is the kind of thing people type when they know they got jack shit

All of this anger, stemming from Wales requiring people to know Welsh, in order to be involved in Welsh culture government projects.
Why does cultural gatekeeping bother you? Why are you so upset that people like the good things from their culture's history? They fucking work, or we wouldn't be here.

 

[MadStan]

Where does their report say that the Welsh Language is racist?

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Generally when people are looking to learn from history the goal is to separate the wheat from the chaff not embrace it all. The Renaissance thinkers didn't say "Golly gee, this Greco-Roman architecture, philosophy and literature is good but for the sake of completeness let's bring back Bacchante anal rape rituals as well." Aside from the presuppositions you've made in your head, there's no ethical or logical inconsistency in selectively retaining elements of history. By your standard, if I were to argue for the the re-popularizing of Greek Symposiums then I'm somehow being self aggrandizing by not also arguing for child rape. You see how your comment is a logical train wreck?

Also, I know you're doing the whole edgy nihilist thing but it seems weird that you deny history as a learning tool. A lot of people have tried a lot of things in a lot of situations. Treat them as case studies, and you can see where they went right and where the went wrong. That's the basic learning methodology for pretty much every other social science as well. Comparing and contrasting how real people acted in various pollical, geographical, economic, and religious contexts seems like it would be a decent basis for knowledge. Where am I wrong?

I'm genuinely curious. "Better" are "failed" are objective term. Can you outline by what standard all previous identities have failed? Also what would constitute a "better" identity?

Then you're not actually preserving a culture, you're preserving a fantastic and mythologized version of it. And that's my point, it's not "the" culture, it's you. It's something you made up. You picked it out of the morass of history and then made it an idol. This is idiotic.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

Then you're not actually preserving a culture, you're preserving a fantastic and mythologized version of it. And that's my point, it's not "the" culture, it's you. It's something you made up. You picked it out of the morass of history and then made it an idol. This is idiotic.

>Culture is bad because historical figures did bad things, these should be rejected
>Wait you can't pick and choose the good parts and reject the bad parts! That's idealized!

Oh my god pick fucking one

 

[feedtheoctopus]

>Culture is bad because historical figures did bad things, these should be rejected
>Wait you can't pick and choose the good parts and reject the bad parts! That's idealized!

Oh my god pick fucking one

Yet again, you being autistic and not understanding nuance. Where did I say "culture is bad"? I said making your entire identity brainless worship of a past that never existed, and then letting it control your politics, is psychotic. But thanks for admitting your "culture" is a construction that you use to justify your own personal prejudices and hang ups rather then a thing in and of itself.

Nationalism is for people afraid of themselves.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

Yet again, you being autistic and not understanding nuance. Where did I say "culture is bad"? I said making your entire identity brainless worship of a past that never existed, and then letting it control your politics, is psychotic. But thanks for admitting your "culture" is a construction that you use to justify your own personal prejudices and hang ups rather then a thing in and of itself.

Nationalism is for people afraid of themselves.

So what you're saying is nationalists scare you. Got it.

 

[Pygmy Giraffe]

Yeah that's a pretty shit analysis OP. They aren't saying the language is racist, they're saying requirements to speak it in government funded cultural projects basically means everybody who doesn't never gets a job. Which is just objectively true, whether you think it's "worth it" or not

Go back to your tranny discord, you niggerlover.

 

[Ranger from Quake 1]

It also is fundamentally unstable and in a constant state of flux, thus making it a shit basis for a moral or personal values system. If you build your identity around clinging to dead things it stands to reason you're always going to be paranoid, insecure, and perpetually angry. Ya know, like the idiots in this thread screeching about white genocide.

The only certain thing in this world is that everything dies sooner or later. "Cultural values" change every fucking generation. Find something better to sperg about.

This is the sort of shit I'd write as an edgy teenage atheist. Just replace "faith" with "culture."
Sorry you're a rootless cosmopolitan with a stronger emotional connection to Marvel movies than your fellow countryman.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

This is the sort of shit I'd write as an edgy teenage atheist. Just replace "faith" with "culture."
Sorry you're a rootless cosmopolitan with a stronger emotional connection to Marvel movies than your fellow countryman.

So are you one of those fags who spergs out over classical Roman shit and takes it as some sort of stunning endorsement of your own desire to dominate the world?

Go back to your tranny discord, you niggerlover.

No.

 

[Ranger from Quake 1]

So are you one of those fags who spergs out over classical Roman shit and takes it as some sort of stunning endorsement of your own desire to dominate the world?

I like reading about history