Opinion Science Fiction is a Left Leaning genre

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This is a thread about the political stance of a large body of works of fiction, so I feel that Whitehall is the place for this thread rather than Spacebattles Main.

One thing that I can say with reasonable certainty is that over the two centuries or so of it's existence Science Fiction has far more often come from a left leaning source or has adopted a position that was left leaning (at least by the standards of the time). Let's look at a sampling of Science Fiction Works and Authors that most people would consider significant and were financially successful.

  • Frankenstein: written by proto-Feminist Mary Shelly.
  • Jules Verne: wrote works critical of Imperialism (Captain Nemo, an Indian who'd lost his family to British Imperialism and who hates the strong who oppress the weak).
  • HG Wells: Socialist with a lot of Socialist Ideals manifesting themselves in his work (The Time Machine is the big obvious one, but also the Invisible Man and The Sleeper Awakes) and was critical of British Imperialism (The War of the Worlds).
  • Issac Asimov: Prolific SF writer, atheist, feminist, die hard new dealer, supporter of LGBT rights when it was unpopular.
  • Superman*: Lead Character is an Immigrant, was used against the KKK.
  • Captain America*: A comic created in 1940 designed to embody everything American who's villain were Nazis. Unpopular run as a Anti-Communist figure got retconned into being an imposter. Often pitted against US Nationalists.
  • Twilight Zone: a lot of episodes were highly critical of society, usually from a left wing perspective.
  • Star Trek: has as an idealized future a techno-socialist society which a vast number of peoples have set aside their differences and strive together in which in which diplomacy and science are positive traits.
  • XMEN: Allegory against Racism and Prejudice in General.
  • Ursula K. Le Guin: Acclaimed SF writer from a Feminist and Environmentalist Perspective.
  • Star Wars: A dictatorship arises due to militarization and strong man politics and it and it's runaway military/industrial complex needs to be resisted by a rag tag group of teenagers. The basics of this came out just after the Vietnam War.
  • Alien Franchise: Has women in traditionally male roles as well as a corporation willing to send people to their deaths to gain control of the xenomorphs.
  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Highly popular and influential anime which has a distinct anti-war message as a core theme.
  • Terminator: US military builds a superintelligent AI which proceeds to start a nuclear holocaust and plans on exterminating all of mankind on top of feminist themes.
  • The Matrix: Made by a pair of Transgender Women with Transgender Themes woven into it.
  • Avatar: Ferngully in Space.
This is not a comprehensive list, of course.

This is not to say that these works are all the products of Perfect Leftists (especially given the argument you'd get in trying to define what constitutes a "Perfect Leftist") or are 100% Left Leaning even considering that the world they came from. Nor are we saying that Conservative Science Fiction does not exist, but it is a lot less common and a lot less influential. The most Right Leaning form of science fiction out there would probably be military Sci-Fi, but even that is not a hard and fast rule. Leaving aside the occasional reactionary like Kratman most military Sci-Fi for a long time has been onboard with a feminist idea of women serving alongside men in the Space Navy or as Space Troopers which was something many IRL conservatives oppose. A lot of military SF has roots in Robert H. Heinlein's Starship Troopers and Heinlein and while Heinlein at that point did have a lot to say about military service as a positive thing and all that he was also not a conventional conservative by any means. Some of the Post Apocalyptic stuff has a Right Wing bias to it, but post-apocalyptia is a more contested field since the cause of said apocalypse is usually something such as climate change or nuclear war brought about by militarism. Not to say there are not exceptions elsewhere, but those exceptions are less common and more marginal.

As for why this is the case, I can't say for certain. One possible factor is is that science fiction had been a more niche product for much of the twentieth century which was other than the norm, either current or historical. In "The 50-Year Mission: The Complete, Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek: The First 25 Years" there are some comment about how a writer in the 1960s should quit that weird childish new Trek show and write some Western, though this is more of a historic reason. Maybe it's because people on the left tend to think more about where society is going in a more proactive way where things might be good (UFP, The Culture) or bad (Polluted Cyberpunk Dystopia**) but either way they'll be different from the status quo while conservatives think about an idealized present or romanticized and often mythological view of the past. But I would posit that there is some reason for this either in the subject manner or the culture which is prone to consuming it which leans left.

Would you agree with this or not?

*While there is a whole lot of fantastic elements in both their worlds, Superman is an Alien and Captain America is the product of advanced drugging/genetic modification/something vaguely on that line that would qualify as SF beings. Wonder Woman for that matter has always been a Feminist character, but she's a fantasy being.
**Insert "that's today!" Joke Here.

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It's become heavily left leaning due to gate keeping.

Just look at that hack Scalzi and the rest of the board of the Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of America.

All leftists, commies, troons, and worse.
 
Superman*: Lead Character is an Immigrant, was used against the KKK.
Was also used against communists and is the embodiment of the American way.
The left haven't been about America since the 1940s.

Captain America; Unpopular run as a Anti-Communist figure got retconned into being an imposter.
LMAO the fucking lies...

The Matrix: Made by a pair of Transgender Women with Transgender Themes woven into it.
False. The Wachoski freaks only said that after a lifetime of failed relationships and trooning out and taking their ball with them 20 years later.
The movie had none of that shit in it's development and filming.

Star Wars: A dictatorship arises due to militarization and strong man politics and it and it's runaway military/industrial complex needs to be resisted by a rag tag group of teenagers.
Star Wars protagonists also believed in Monarchism and devotion to religion. The Jedi spout protestant values of sacrifice, perseverance, and discipline, as do the Sith, but aimed towards different goals.
Not to mention old-timey values like women in the back supporting the men who would do the actual fighting.

Everything in these lists are lies and the author reworking the original ideas.
Yes, many of these works were written by liberal/left-leaning men, but the contemporary left despises the values these men cherished like freedom, the individual, and avoiding degeneracy.
The left of yesterday wouldn't be on their side.
 
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>HG Wells was anti-1800s European Imperialism
>dat mean he agree with my identity politics


No one tell them about The Island of Dr. Moreau where surgically altered animals are indistinguishable from aborigines.

Or The Time Machine where there are two different races with different behaviors and intelligence due to evolution.
 
Well yeah, niggers being human, and trans women being real women does count as science fiction, in the most literal meanings of the words.
 
Famous left-leaning works like Starship Troopers, Farnham's Freehold, Honor Harrington...Mil-Sci Fi is arguably a bit leading, but still.

Heinlein explored authoritarianism and Libertarianism. Bradbury would arguably be considered conservative (tell me the Cancel Culture of today aren't essentially Fahrenheit 451's Firemen). Norman Spinrad wrote The Iron Dream as a satire on the Science Fiction of his time as reflecting Hitler's dream.

Superman, Captain America, and the X-Men are science fantasy at best. Superman is an immigrant but was raised by humble Kansas farmers as an American. He didn't intentionally break laws to come here. He's a good person because of the values he was raised with, and rural Kansas tends to lean right.

Also Luke Skywalker is basically a fundie with magic.

Honestly, any oppression you read into science fiction, you'll picture as applying to your allies and not your opponent.
 
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Everything in these lists are lies and the author reworking the original ideas.
I was going to write something up, but you have summarized it well. Also, can everyone please stop trying to assign a political direction to everything? Your side doesn't win if you have better or more fun shit.
 
Can someone please explain to me how Starship Troopers (novel) was left leaning?
My take away was that it was a novel all about how having a class-based society rules over by a militaristic government was just the bestest.
 
Kornbluth, Sheckley, Heinlein, Effinger, Vance, Dick, Ellison, Lovecraft, Wheatley, Niven, Pournelle, Correia, and CS Lewis would all be somewhat surprised to learn they are left-wing.
This opinion piece is idiotic. Science fiction is speculative by nature but that doesn't mean that futuristic utopias and dystopias must conform to the limited and partisan definitions we currently have for 'left wing' and 'right wing'.

*Arthur C Clarke excluded from list for being a boy-raping faggot.
 
Also:
>HG Wells was a socialist
In a country that had child sweatshops and no OSHA regulations. Surely he would support UBI and vote for Bernie Sanders.
 
Space Battles isn't news, even when a posting is made in their "political" thread. This likely was not posted in the general SF/Fantasy section of that board because there it would foster something relatively close to discussion, posting it in Whitehall is dropping it into the zealously left-aligned part of the forums in an already violently left-leaning site who were making excuses for the murders done in Chaz/Chop when I left who no doubt will be far worse by now.
 
Can someone please explain to me how Starship Troopers (novel) was left leaning?
My take away was that it was a novel all about how having a class-based society rules over by a militaristic government was just the bestest.
Starship Troopers is not really about the setting, its about the Main Character, the setting is there to serve his coming of age story.
That said, you could argue that he thought the system was the best because the system creates people who revere the system, and it self replicates. Like asking a Fascist to point out the downside of Fascism.
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SciFi & Fantasy worlds loosely break down into a mix of two general piles:
  • The world, with a story to explore it (Think: Tolkein & Dune)
  • The story, with a world to facilitate it (Think: Star Wars
Jamming these worlds through a modern political filter is worthless because they are exploratory in nature, its like asking someone to do higher calculus using only an abacus.
 
What about Harlan Ellison?


I mean they say left leaning, but they're phrasing it as "THEIR VERSION" of left leaning. These people would have been torn to shreds as being hacks decades ago.
 
Starship Troopers was only militaristic what with the whole "existential war against the xenos" that was going on. At one point its mentioned that the majority of peacetime "veterans" are from non-military branches. So its just that "national service" thing that pops up every now and then from people who pretend they aren't powertripping at the thought of forcing people who come of age to undertake mandatory ballwashing duties for their betters. Except you know, purely voluntary, with the only rights of citizenship being voting and juries. Civilians still had every other freedom we take for granted, complete with Johnny coming from a rich-ass industrialist family of nothing but civilians that gifted him a Rolls-Royce helicopter for his Sweet Sixteenth.
 
For once, what seems to be yet another Clown World hot take may have a point. Science fiction (SF) was founded by people like H.G. Wells, who was "left leaning" (IIRC). A lot of SF - especially Star Trek - is about "progress", both technologically and socially.

Also I hear SF can be used for "social engineering" by the powers that shouldn't be.

Meanwhile, modern fantasy was founded by people like C.S. Lewis and Tolkien - conservative Christians. Tolkien was also somewhat of a "luddite", having seen the horrors of industrial warfare fighting in WW1.
 
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