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What is this, Schrodinger's pervert? I've seen takes that range from "let people who get off accessing services for women do what they want," to "help people who are sexually gratified accessing services for women get their rocks off," and now "people who get sexual gratification for accessing services for women don't exist." Contradict yourselves enough times and it's no wonder you feel like you're yelling at a brick wall, nobody's going to keep listening to a group that can't make up their mind.