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Cannabis
An inconvenient truth (about weed)

Federal laws bar cannabis from crossing state lines, driving up the cost — and the emissions — of an industry using indoor grow operations.

Federal laws bar cannabis from crossing state lines, driving up the cost — and the emissions — of an industry using indoor grow operations.
David Burr demonstrates removing leaves on marijuana plants.

Nationally, 80 percent of cannabis is cultivated indoors. | Ethan Miller/Getty Images

By NATALIE FERTIG and GAVIN BADE

08/10/2021 04:30 AM EDT

Marijuana has never been more popular in the U.S. — and its carbon emissions have never posed a bigger threat to the climate.

America’s patchwork approach to legalizing weed has helped make cannabis cultivation one of the most energy-intensive crops in the nation. And as states increasingly embrace marijuana, a growing source of greenhouse gases is going essentially unnoticed by climate hawks on Capitol Hill.

Nationally, 80 percent of cannabis is cultivated indoors with sophisticated lighting and environmental controls designed to maximize the plant’s yield. It’s a setup that can consume up to 2,000 watts of electricity per square meter, 40 times what it takes for leafy greens like lettuce, when grown indoors.

"For being such a 'green' industry, there’s some skeletons in the closet," said Kaitlin Urso, an environmental consultant with the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment.

Despite piecemeal attempts by states and some growers to reduce their power consumption, at least one expert estimates the industry’s footprint already accounts for more than 1 percent of U.S. electricity consumption and continues to rise. Complicating matters further, federal laws also bar the flow of weed over state lines. That requires companies to grow cannabis in each state where they want to do business and deprives them of the scale that makes other industries more efficient.

President Joe Biden and Democratic leaders in Congress have made cutting the nation’s carbon footprint a top priority. Biden wants to reach net-zero emissions by 2050, and his plan pinpoints agricultural and industrial emissions as major targets for reduction. Yet, while cannabis cultivators in the 37 states with some form of legal weed will have to meet any federal standards created, they will not qualify for any federal incentives to help industries go green.

One recent model estimated that Massachusetts’ nascent cannabis industry represented 10 percent of the state’s industrial electricity consumption in 2020. Another study found that growing enough bud for a joint — a gram — consumes as much electricity as driving about 20 miles in a fuel-efficient car. Then there’s the still-vibrant illegal market — where there are no emissions rules whatsoever — that consumes fossil fuels at an even higher rate, often using standalone generators or stealing power from neighbors to fuel their operations.

The problem is only going to get worse.

Over the past year, nine states, including New York, approved the production and sale of either medical or recreational marijuana. That means 100 million Americans — nearly a third of the country — now live in a state where weed is legal for anyone over the age of 21. But most cultivators in those states will be growing cannabis indoors because of climate, regulations or individual business preferences, laying the groundwork for skyrocketing electricity consumption created by the new markets.

"New York, with 20 million people, growing every ounce of [cannabis] … indoors, under lights, in temperature control, is neither economically sustainable nor competitive. Nor is it environmentally sane,” said Adam Smith, director of the Craft Cannabis Alliance, a group that has lobbied for interstate commerce of cannabis.

Despite the huge climate impact of the nation’s fastest-growing new industry — legal sales jumped 50 percent last year, topping $20 billion, while the industry added almost 80,000 jobs — Biden, most lawmakers and many environmental groups, even those supportive of cannabis legalization, have largely ignored the issue.

“Honestly, I haven't thought a whole lot about it,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who made both marijuana legalization and climate change pillars of his 2020 presidential campaign, said in an interview earlier this year. “I'm not familiar with that issue.”
Federal-state divide

Interstate trade is the backbone of efficiency for most products Americans consume. But cannabis, while now allowed in many states, remains illegal on the federal level, creating siloed markets that can only serve local demand and whose economics are difficult to calibrate.

“You can’t keep Florida oranges out of your state. You can’t keep Georgia peaches out of your state," said Smith, whose organization, Craft Cannabis Alliance, has been instrumental to an Oregon law that will allow the state to export marijuana once the federal government gives permission.

In 2018, Oregon produced so much cannabis that the Oregon Liquor and Cannabis Commission estimated it would take the state's residents six years to consume it all. That same year, Colorado growers produced enough surplus — 37 tons — to supply the entire city of Los Angeles.

At the same time, Nevada and Southern California struggled to grow enough flower to supply shops. But none of the oversupply in Oregon or Colorado is allowed to cross state lines — consuming electricity for a product sitting unsold.
Flip the switch

To reach Biden's 2050 climate goal, the nation has to do just about everything right. Every fossil fuel power plant will need to close or capture its carbon emissions; millions of buildings will need to abandon fossil fuels for electric appliances; all new cars on the road will need to be electric. Any sector going in the wrong direction, especially a rapidly growing one like cannabis, will hamper progress toward that goal.

“There will be significant energy used when more [cannabis] infrastructure is built,” said Derek Smith of the Resource Innovation Institute, which is partnering with USDA and the Energy department to develop LEED-like energy efficiency standards for indoor cultivation of agricultural products. But because marijuana is illegal on the federal level, Smith says his study cannot look at cannabis. “I think the best thing the government can do is investigate this situation.”

Indoor cannabis grows are huge electricity consumers because of their grow lights and air cooling systems. The average indoor grow operation consumes more power than 14 typical homes, according to a report published by the Resource Innovation Institute, a nonprofit focused on creating industry standards for agricultural cultivation — especially indoors. Outdoor growing is much more efficient, using 2.5 percent of the electricity needed for the average indoor operation. Cannabis grown in greenhouses are in the middle, using about 45 percent of the energy of the average indoor facility.

But most experts say the arguments over energy are not as simple as indoor versus outdoor. Some outdoor grows use a generator for certain operations, while some indoor grows use solar power.

Indoor grows are also getting more efficient as technologies like LED lights, which consume as much as 75 percent less power and run cooler than traditional sodium-based lamps used in grow operations, become available and accepted by growers. And efficiency efforts seem to be working: the average energy consumption of indoor grows declined by more than 20 percent between 2018 and 2020.

Right now though, the impact of cannabis on energy consumption is a blind spot for environmental groups. While some local chapters of green groups have pushed for regulations on new grow operations in states like California, national engagement is still lacking. The Sierra Club, Environmental Defense Fund, Natural Resources Defense Council and Earthjustice have not turned their national lobbying efforts onto the sector.

Many industry insiders say cannabis grows best outdoors in Northern California and Southern Oregon. But regulations also play a part in where weed is grown: more than half of the 26 counties that have awarded cultivation licenses in California have only done so for indoor or greenhouse grows, according to MJ Biz Daily. And some states have infrastructure requirements — like video security systems — which are much harder to install outdoors and therefore encourage indoor cultivation. Economics is also a factor: The capacity of indoor grows is much greater because they can grow year-round and typically have higher plant yields.

“There’s always going to be a very significant need for indoor grows,” said Andrew Freedman, a former Colorado marijuana regulator who is now executive director the Coalition for Cannabis Policy, Education, and Regulation, an industry-backed think tank.
A federal fix?

Many climate advocates say legalizing cannabis on the federal level, especially before more states create new markets, would be the quickest way to ease the emissions problem, but the bill with the best odds is still a long shot. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Cory Booker (D-N.J.) introduced a legalization measure last month that does not yet have the votes to pass.

While most lawmakers — including Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), two lawmakers who often work on climate policy — expressed little knowledge of the growing problem, a few on the Hill are thinking about it.

Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), the lead sponsor of the Green New Deal in the Senate, said it was an issue he was aware of, but did not have any specific solutions.

“In the same way that I was worried with new electronic devices being energy vampires … the same thing is true in the cannabis industry,” said Markey. When asked about loosening restrictions on interstate weed sales, the senator shifted to focus on state policy rather than weigh in on the federal legalization debate.

“I would want to look first at how much more energy efficient we could make the industry in Massachusetts,” he said.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) had more specific concerns. As more states, and potentially the federal government, move toward legalization, the progressive icon said she would prioritize ensuring small businesses have an opportunity to grab major market share in the nascent industry and access to efficiency upgrades to make them competitive.

“There's a really elegant way where you can incorporate environmentally just policy with cannabis legalization,” she in an interview earlier this year, explaining how new regulations could be used to direct which energy sources are used for cannabis grows or requiring facilities to have a certain number of solar panels.

“That is only most possible,” she added, “when you legalize cannabis in a way that small businesses are able to take a lion's share of that market share.”
 
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As much as I can't stand her, I'm a "Greta" Grower. Mother Nature does her thing quite well. I don't know where they got this for outdoor grows: "Outdoor growing is much more efficient, using 2.5 percent of the electricity needed for the average indoor operation."

Ain't like I plug my plants in at night. The only problem with outdoor grows is time. Commercial growers ain't got time for dat; bud money maker go BRRRRRRR.

As for Federalism? All for it in this case. Legalize on a national level, let states engage in interstate commerce of it and may the best growing places (outdoors) reap the profit. Same way Kentucky has the best bourbon, Tennessee has Jack Daniels, etc. Local brands sold on a national basis. But given the absolute dysfunction in DC, no way I see that happening anytime soon.

In the meantime, I'm just happy to grow my own legally as a hobby. Don't even sell it, just give it away to friends and such. I'm too old to be a stoner, but on days when the arthritis in my knees kicks up a fuss, a couple tokes make all the difference in getting around and not hobbling like a cripple. And I have Mother Nature to thank, not Big Pharma.

Natural pest control, as well.
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Bruce Banner strain below indeed incredibly hulking at near 8 ft. tall.
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Raindrops on roses, whiskers on kittens...
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For anyone curious, these were planted in early April and are now starting to bud. Should be "ripe" in late October/early November as our weather cools. Typical outdoor grow length.
 
Weed isn't as profitable as you would think. The power required for indoors is usually 1/4 of the profit.

Then its exacerbated by bulk value of its sale.

The real money is breaking it down and selling it piecemeal.

But if your growing your not normally breaking it down into 20 dollar baggies

If you do however you can triple your profits along with the risk.
 
Isn't growing plants indoors just greenhouse and heat lamp shit? Surely the cost of that is less than multimillion dollar corporations running massive glowing billboards and and elaborate and sometimes wasteful campaigns telling the commoners to stop using too much energy to "save the environment?


Jesus fuck that thumbnail literally looks like some shit out of sonic cd's "bad future" stages. everything's just orange and grey urban sprawl and machinery.
 
sigh I hate that I know this but the growers I ve spoke with explain that you can get a harvest in like 3 months so if you have 4-5 rooms to cycle through you can harvest every month.

I was also told that the harvest time for out door growers is in October and that causes the price of weed to drop.

point being the indoor growing does have its benifit.
 
I use the devils lettuce for a completely legitimate medical reason and I wish someone gave a shit about me having to choose criminal liability or yakking every time I cross a state line

but if the only thing people care enough about is not overloading the power grid I’ll take it if it gets interstate commerce
 
Isn't growing plants indoors just greenhouse and heat lamp shit? Surely the cost of that is less than multimillion dollar corporations running massive glowing billboards and and elaborate and sometimes wasteful campaigns telling the commoners to stop using too much energy to "save the environment?



Jesus fuck that thumbnail literally looks like some shit out of sonic cd's "bad future" stages. everything's just orange and grey urban sprawl and machinery.
Mind you that's 6 years ago it's far worse now. Its like shit out of dune. With a massive potion of china being engulfed in sand.
 
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Natural pest control, as well.
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Bruce Banner strain below indeed incredibly hulking at near 8 ft. tall.
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For anyone curious, these were planted in early April and are now starting to bud. Should be "ripe" in late October/early November as our weather cools. Typical outdoor grow length.
Grow sperg:

I'm only a space BSN and not a doctor, but it looks like you have some potential nutrient issues or other root zone problems. Your leaves should not kink, twist, cup, or otherwise fag out, they should (ideally) hang nice and evenly in a convex fashion. Concavity (cupping) can be caused by light or heat stress, but it can also be caused by pH imbalance, which will by itself cause nutrient tox/lockouts and weak root zones.

The reason I lean towards nutrient and root problems rather than environmental stress is the leaves are not just cupping in places, but also twisting at the tip and fagging out in various ways, as well as exhibiting burnt tips and even full on nutrient deficiency in the lower sections of the large plants.

I wouldn't charge for prescriptions over the phone (other than to say there's definite issues) but look to your root zone first, make sure the soil isn't too compact or wet (or dry for that matter), use myco additives to maintain bacteria in the rhizosphere, and stabilize your pH (if you don't add lime to your soil mix already, you should). From there you have to troubleshoot your feeding regimen, offhand I would say you're watering something too hot but that assumes no other systemic problems. If none of those are issues I would then move to assuming deficiency, start with more Cal-Mg (it's almost always Ca-Mg, leaf twists are typical too), then more P and K (especially in bloom) and a micronutrient mix added to feed. Use enzyme additive to help break down salts in the soil from intensive feeding.

Oh and trim that waste dude, get comfortable with lollipopping the shit out of your branches. By the time a plant is that tall you shouldn't have much more than a foot or so of active canopy on each branch. Basically the whole lower half of those plants should be stripped to the main stem. Keep a box of razors handy.

Love how these retards are just figuring out that weed is a hyper-intensive crop grown with thousands of kilowatts of electricity (even in a small SOG grow). Bernie apparently didn't even think about it! Of course the "solution" to a "problem" caused by complexity is... more complexity. I would oppose interstate trade on principle - should a few states just have a monopoly on production because they can? Fuck off. They never should have legalized commercial growing, fucking morons.
 
Fuck off. They never should have legalized commercial growing, fucking morons.
I'm pretty sure this energy fearmongering shit is so when they DO legalize commercial growing only the massive corporations are allowed to grow with their "eco friendly" million dollar factory farms that pump out a fuckload more pollution but use some recycled plastic and paper or some shit in the process so it's "totally better this way guys! Don't you know growing weed without these facilities is LITERALLY KILLING the planet?!"
 
Isn't growing plants indoors just greenhouse and heat lamp shit?
Nah, proper indoor calls for a fuckload of lumens. High-pressure-sodium bulbs with big ballasts are standard. If the cops in your neighborhood care they can spot a grow just by the power consumption at an address. LED grow lamps are the future though; the high cost is worth it in the long run.
 
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