US CDC issues new eviction moratorium - CDC declares itself to be above the SCOTUS

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CDC issues new eviction moratorium​


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is issuing a new, "temporary" moratorium on evictions, the agency announced Tuesday. The new moratorium, which CBS News confirmed earlier Tuesday would be announced, will be separate from the CDC's prior eviction moratorium that expired over the weekend.

The new order, which expires on October 3, covers counties experiencing "substantial" or "high" levels of COVID-19 spread. One source familiar with the moratorium said that currently includes about 80% of U.S. counties, or 90% of the U.S. population.

"The emergence of the delta variant has led to a rapid acceleration of community transmission in the United States, putting more Americans at increased risk, especially if they are unvaccinated," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said Tuesday. "This moratorium is the right thing to do to keep people in their homes and out of congregate settings where COVID-19 spreads."

The latest moratorium order could face legal challenges, after the Supreme Court determined the Biden administration couldn't extend the previous moratorium eviction through executive action. As the latest eviction moratorium was about to end last week, the White House told Congress to act, while Congress called on the White House to act. The White House said it lacked the authority to extend the moratorium.

In June, the Supreme Court decided in a 5-4 decision to allow the eviction ban to continue through the end of July. One of the justices voting in the majority, Justice Brett Kavanaugh, made clear that he would block any additional extensions unless there was "clear and specific congressional authorization."

President Biden told reporters Tuesday afternoon he isn't sure whether the new eviction moratorium will pass constitutional muster, but any litigation would "probably give some additional time" for rental assistance funds to flow.

"Any call for a moratorium based on the Supreme Court's recent decision is likely to face obstacles. I've indicated to the CDC I'd like to look at other alternatives," the president told reporters Tuesday.

Meanwhile, public health officials raised concerns that allowing evictions to resume while the coronavirus is surging again could lead more people to get sick and die unnecessarily.

Representative Cori Bush has slept outside the Capitol to protest the end of the eviction moratorium, and call for action. She tweeted Tuesday afternoon that "our movement moved mountains."

"On Friday night, I came to the Capitol with my chair," Bush tweeted. "I refused to accept that Congress could leave for vacation while 11 million people faced eviction. For 5 days, we've been out here, demanding that our government acts to save lives. Today, our movement moved mountains."
 
On one hand, I think that the Supreme Court could be mighty interested in the CDC blatantly flouting their previous ruling. On the other hand, these are the same guys who did nothing about the election fuckery (not even rule in favor of the DNC, they outright refused to listen to any of the cases), so who knows if they have the spine to put the CDC in their place.

Between the CDC's bullshit and "emergency" powers lasting for over a year, some things really need a hard look at.
The one thing though that the USSC is good about, if they rebuke you and tell you "you are very close to the line" and you don't straighten up, they come at you like it's personal.
 
The one thing though that the USSC is good about, if they rebuke you and tell you "you are very close to the line" and you don't straighten up, they come at you like it's personal.
Good thing the Biden administration crafted the moratium extension until they come back from their break - there's nothing the federal government loves more than their vacations.
 
A temporary hold on evictions is not a temporary hold on rent obligations. Anyone who has stopped paying rent because of the pause on evictions will find themselves evicted with thousands of dollars of debt.

Debt collectors can ruin your life if you don't give them their money. There's a fear of every letter that comes through the letterbox is another letter demanding money, threatening court proceedings, that every knock on the door is someone there to demand money and to take your stuff. Debt collectors aren't nice polite understanding old ladies who will take no for an answer. They are big, ugly bald meatheads who (at least where I live) don't get paid if they don't collect any money.
You can make most collectors go away with a cease and desist letter. They can sell your debt to another entity, but another C&D will only cost you another stamp. Limit the amount you steal from each creditor, and it's unlikely any individual creditor will sue you. And if they do sue you, they just get a piece of paper saying you owe them money. Enforcing the judgment is another thing. Exceptions are secured loans. They'll take your house and your car and your boat away.

I deal with a lot of deadbeats. I've known people who live comfortably with > $100k in unpaid collections/charge offs. (Maybe more, credit reports only go back 7 years.) If you don't need credit and you're sophisticated enough to work the system, you can make it work for you. When it stops working, declare bankruptcy. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
A temporary hold on evictions is not a temporary hold on rent obligations. Anyone who has stopped paying rent because of the pause on evictions will find themselves evicted with thousands of dollars of debt.

Debt collectors can ruin your life if you don't give them their money. There's a fear of every letter that comes through the letterbox is another letter demanding money, threatening court proceedings, that every knock on the door is someone there to demand money and to take your stuff. Debt collectors aren't nice polite understanding old ladies who will take no for an answer. They are big, ugly bald meatheads who (at least where I live) don't get paid if they don't collect any money.

I'm hoping there will be some kind of meltdown compilation video when these people eventually meet reality.
most scary debt collectors are scammers, you can ask for their company info and they'll hang up on you. you can shit talk back and nothing really happens. the real ones will send letters listing who theyre collecting on behalf of, the amount etc.

these same people probably have a bancruptcy in their past. not much a debt collector can do with an unsecured loan.

debt collectors are scary until you realize you cant pay them anything anyway so you can set up a payment plan, pay a month and let it go becauae you cant pay anything and set up another on.

or you go to your local Lawyer non profit and go to court. you can settle for much less and work a payment plan. if its credit cards, file a fraud report with the cops and hand that over to debt collection agency. lying is illegal btw.


you could also say "go fuck yourself faggot im not paying shit, call me again in 10 years" and wait for the debt to drop off your report and hope someone lost the paperwork during a debt sale or moving around to put it back on the report.

thats my experience. and the world moved to make cash transactions harder.
 
most scary debt collectors are scammers, you can ask for their company info and they'll hang up on you. you can shit talk back and nothing really happens. the real ones will send letters listing who theyre collecting on behalf of, the amount etc.

these same people probably have a bancruptcy in their past. not much a debt collector can do with an unsecured loan.

debt collectors are scary until you realize you cant pay them anything anyway so you can set up a payment plan, pay a month and let it go becauae you cant pay anything and set up another on.

or you go to your local Lawyer non profit and go to court. you can settle for much less and work a payment plan. if its credit cards, file a fraud report with the cops and hand that over to debt collection agency. lying is illegal btw.


you could also say "go fuck yourself faggot im not paying shit, call me again in 10 years" and wait for the debt to drop off your report and hope someone lost the paperwork during a debt sale or moving around to put it back on the report.

thats my experience. and the world moved to make cash transactions harder.
yeah from what I've known from a guy I worked for who was a debt collector in a former life there's two things, bullshit and legal notices by mail
if it's not a serious notice by certified mail it's at-best a suggestion unless you're dumb enough to call the "settlement hotline" and let them get on tape that you had seen the paper
 
I hope they're all comfortable with squatting in run-down buildings or on public land in tents. You're gonna be seeing a lot more of that in the near future unless newly-made plebs take after Brazil and SA and build entire shantytowns out of tin and wood scrap.
They won't be comfortable nor will they do anything to improve the situation.
Landlords are people too and they gotta pay their shit too with the rent money. I dont get why people think landlords are all rich like Bezos, sometimes they are in a finantial situation as bad if not worst than the person they get rent money from. Im simply saying the issue isnt that simple.

But hey, its only moral relativism when its in favor to them.
People are ignorant. They have no idea how the system works or why it is set up the way it is.
 
People are ignorant. They have no idea how the system works or why it is set up the way it is.

They dont care to know because they just trust that "it works". I also believe that people are deep down afraid to see how much of it doesnt work and/or is stacked against them so its preferable to remain in sweet ignorance.
 
Absolutely fucking nothing. Look at Obamacare: first validate it with a Marquis de Sade-tier tortured reading of the text ("it's a tax!") then when the tax gets repealed, just ignore it because something something standing something something stare decisis. They'll talk tough about reining in executive branch overreach, but when you remember that this is an executive branch they specifically abrogated the Constitution to install, those threats are absolutely worthless.

The not-so-secret sauce is that the SCOTUS runs on mystique: it only has power as long as the rest of the government agrees to play along. If they actually defy the Biden regime in any serious way, all he has to do is say "you and uh, you know, the thing, with the army" and they'll sit down and shut up. They won't have a choice, and they know it. In order to have power, a Supreme Court decision, no matter how generally unpopular, needs some elite support to be "real" in the sense of getting the enforcement arms of the state on board. Nothing that goes against Biden and pals will have that support, so the Supremes can't make those rulings lest they be revealed as a paper tiger.
This is why everything is fucked; the law is irrelevant if you have enough power. They run Congress and the Army and the media will cover for them until the end of time; the law is a suggestion.

They're rigging elections and breaking the law in broad daylight and your local liberal could not care less because they don't realize what this entails for everyone long term.
 
yeah from what I've known from a guy I worked for who was a debt collector in a former life there's two things, bullshit and legal notices by mail
if it's not a serious notice by certified mail it's at-best a suggestion unless you're dumb enough to call the "settlement hotline" and let them get on tape that you had seen the paper
legit collectors will take it court if you dont contact them after some timd. then you get served and if you dont show they get a summary judgement against you. then you get hounded for life because a court said it was a real debt.

you can still tell them to fuck off but theyll tske the easy route and garnish your wages. and you'll have to find a new job every 6-8 months while the new garnishment makes its way through the court.

something like that.
 
legit collectors will take it court if you dont contact them after some timd. then you get served and if you dont show they get a summary judgement against you. then you get hounded for life because a court said it was a real debt.

you can still tell them to fuck off but theyll tske the easy route and garnish your wages. and you'll have to find a new job every 6-8 months while the new garnishment makes its way through the court.

something like that.
oh yeah there's very legit collections, but afaik there's nothing really keeping you from just turning your phone off
 
It's rare for a collection account to go to court. Other than government debt, I usually see it with renters. Maybe because landlords are always in court evicting people they're more willing to use the system to collect back rent. I've seen a few litigious HOAs and car dealerships, too. I guess lifestyle deadbeats know who to burn and who to pay, and how much, so they don't get dragged into court.
 
It's rare for a collection account to go to court. Other than government debt, I usually see it with renters. Maybe because landlords are always in court evicting people they're more willing to use the system to collect back rent. I've seen a few litigious HOAs and car dealerships, too. I guess lifestyle deadbeats know who to burn and who to pay, and how much, so they don't get dragged into court.
if you're a landlord (who actually bothers) then you'll want to spend those hours getting your shit in shape instead of paying a lawyer to hassle some burnout for a hundred bucks of spackle and a half hour of pasting up a hole
most of the people I've rented from just kept my deposit which I expected, I have cats
one asshole tried to stick me for a bunch of shit and I was like "gosh, those sure seem like important concerns, please send a fully documented and itemized invoice and I'll start looking into that!" and then he instantly fucked off
 
Are there any loss conditions anymore? Because I can imagine people who try and work and pay their dues are starting to feel like idiots when jobless fuckups can live more comfortably thanks to the system being retarded.
 
Going to start renting out another property in late Sept. Hopefully this is the last extension so I can avoid renting out to a shitbag. Been tempted to sell it recently though, given how hot the market is, but idk...
 
Its all part of the plan to eliminate the middle class and put a firm divider between the wealthy rulers and the plebs like us. They'll make it untenable for small rental outfits or private renters to do business and companies with ties to the administration will move in and buy them out, profiting hugely.
This is exactly right. Whenever you see heavy regulations being proposed, remember that the only companies that can survive heavy regulation are the supergiants.
My favorite example is Amazon and sales tax. When they were a scrappy upstart they were against having to collect sales tax because of all the bureaucratic hassle, but once they became a monopolist, they changed their tune because they could afford that selfsame hassle better than their upstart competitors.

Same thing in the rental market - the only outfits that will survive the New Normal are the ones with giant piles of cash on hand to ride out eviction moratoriums.
 
What are they gonna even do about it besides shidding and farding?
With any luck at least some of the people on the right will sense the easy tee up and there will be a series of suits that escalates over something related to the CDCs authority. Beyond that unless they come back from break early or Biden fucks up the timing there isn't too much they can do, which is why it is such a cowardly and blatantly shifty thing to do after they already were fairly united telling him to knock it off in June. SCOTUS is only a judiciary they can't instigate the cases for decision themselves nor can they legislate through bill crafting.
 
So a ton of homeless in winter in small confined spaces for heat...

Is better than a ton of homeless in summer when the weather is nice for COVID?

Lol
 
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