🐱 It’s Time to Start Requiring Vaccinations

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The idea of “vaccine passports”—physical or virtual documents proving that their carrier had gotten COVID shots, and which would be required to gain access to a given space—got preemptively gnarled, in the United States, by the defiant and oppositional reflexes of the Republican Party’s ascendant Petulant 2-Year-Old Caucus. Even the term vaccine passport itself is fraught—played up by the anti-vax movement, presumably, because it connotes more jet-set exclusivity and intimidating legal finality than dryer phrases, like immunization record or health pass, that describe the same thing. The certainty of immediate behavioral, political, and legal backlash must weigh on the public officials and business owners, even in the bluest states, who have so far refrained from instituting these requirements. The events of Jan. 6—among many, many other events—prove that crossing the right wing carries risks including violence even if its cause is ultimately a losing and stupid one.


And there have also been reasons not to impose vaxxing requirements besides the potential for rural Michigan weapons enthusiasts named Daryl self-declaring martial law. The coronavirus vaccines are still being distributed under emergency authorization, which means they haven’t been fully certified as safe and effective by the Food and Drug Administration. This complicates the case that taking one is a necessity, when the chief non-conspiracy reason that members of the public give for hesitancy is safety. (There are plenty of people who have reasons besides right-wing media not to immediately trust health officials.) There are also right-wing activist groups ready to file lawsuitsagainst vaccine requirements, and the still-pending FDA approval gives them a stronger case. There’s the matter of access, too; not everyone owns a car or has the job and child care flexibility required to take the time to get a COVID shot (and recover from it) on short notice.

Finally, there is the default presumption against compelling private citizens to do things, which, when taken in combination with scientific ambiguity about what level of vaccination would be required to achieve mass immunity, made it defensible to let Americans get the vaccine when they wanted, given that many tens of millions of them definitely wanted it right away so that they could go to a restaurant without dying.

The delta variant and the amount of time that has elapsed since vaccinations began have changed these calculations. Herd immunity wasn’t reached by voluntary means, and the more contagious strain of the virus has created a widespread, fatal threat not just to the unvaccinated but to those who have been vaccinated and have age- or illness-related vulnerabilities. Unless the FDA is hoarding secret information in Maryland that shows otherwise, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have established a clean safety record. Enough is known about the remaining unvaccinated population that officials should be able to deploy supplies and transportation resources to those who want the vaccine but haven’t gotten it yet. (Also, it should be the law that employers have to give employees paid days off to take the shot and recover. A real no-brainer!) If we can be confident about anything, it’s that a surge of vaccination will keep many lives from ending prematurely: Vaccinated people can still contract COVID, but the studies say they will be subsequently less likely to spread the virus, and much less likely to die.

But the carrot of being able to drastically reduce your chances of dying on a ventilator has been available long enough, and with limited enough effect, that the stick is starting to look real nice. This is a judgment call, sure; most things about creating societywide rules for COVID are judgment calls, as it has turned out. There’s no system for deciding when harsher measures are appropriate besides when we decide they are, and delta has the justifications for doing so piling up in a big stack. The prospect of enduring incapacitating “mild” breakthrough cases and self-imposed quarantines, watching the health care system become critically overburdened again, having to readopt social distancing and indoor masking, and, frankly, having to continue to bear the anxiety of thinking about a virus all the time: That’s a lot of weight on one side of the scale, especially considering that, given the shrinking number of good-faith hesitancy cases, most of what’s on the other side of that scale are analogies involving yellow stars and Hitler created by White America’s least attentive high school history students.

Given the logistical difficulties of creating portable, counterfeit-proof vaccine records, it would be difficult to begin imposing requirements immediately. But making sure that literally no one in the country gets into a concert with a fake vaccine record wouldn’t be the point anyway. The point would be to strongly, strongly nudge the hesitant and the procrastinating toward vaccination. That doesn’t require foolproof pass technology, only that American institutions that aren’t captured by MAGA conspiracy brain—blue-state governments, large businesses, colleges, transit providers, urban cultural venues and restaurants—announce, contingent on full FDA approval, that they plan to make certain locations (and privileges like employment) inaccessible sometime soon to anyone who doesn’t have an immunization record or a medical exemption.

It would not be unprecedented. Cruise lines and the NFL and college football conferences and some college campuses are already doing it, as are the U.K. and France, countries that, contrary to the American cultural stereotype, have their own formidable movements of No One’s Gonna Tell Me What to Do people. Perhaps America’s corporate Goliaths—Amazon, Walmart, American Airlines—could demonstrate the virtues of their enormous scale to skeptical Democratic regulators by pushing this effort toward a tipping point.

The wide and expanding majority of eligible individuals who’ve chosen to get vaccinated in the United States have waited enough time. If the emphatically unprotected want to continue to exercise their right to get a severe respiratory disease because of junk information, or to prove a point to a largely imaginary version of the “elite,” that’s fine. They can just do it on their own time, in their own places, and literally nowhere else, so everyone else can breathe again.
 
This is basically advocating for the chinese social credit system using the current crisis as justification, it will start as "get the vaccine", then "get the delta variant vaccine", "get the lambda variant vaccine", until they find a little breach where they can use things totally unrelated as a reason to keep going until we begin our war with Eastasia
 
This isn't a Republican versus Democrat issue. This is an issue with upholding your personal freedoms against a illegitimate government.
 
Ah yes, everyone know that the vaccine hesitant are just "freedumb" (a false concept) loving losers who are on the wrong side of history and will try to Jan 6th everyone with their militia assault weapons. No strawman there.

I also heard over half the states in the US are "right to work" states, so I was unaware that employment is a "privilege" that can be taken from me by the government...
 
This is now the third article I've seen about this subject today. The fact that they're now coming in the open with it means they're already ready to implement their plans, they're just trying to get the cattle ready so there's not too much panic in the pen.
 
I also heard over half the states in the US are "right to work" states,
Right to work doesn’t actually mean you have the right to work.

It just means that if your job has a union, you’re not required to pay union dues if you don’t want to be a member of the union.
 
This projection is getting tedious
And yet, even if true, they're incredibly dumb/simple-minded in that they are aware of and afraid of backlash, but, STILL see no other way to live on the right side of history (tm) but to do it anyway and fret about those barbarians who just don't understand it's for their own good to be under the thumbs of their betters.

"Hey, this stuff makes violent gun-toters lash out, so, we obviously should do it because the future is our way and our way only, too bad some others have to suffer the violent outbursts of the unwashed, oh well, our private security will handle it...."

It's like they get *this* close to understanding why there's backlash, before dismissing it and refusing to have that epiphany. They know the computer is broken, but rather than taking it to the computer shop, they just sit there all day, flipping it on and off, each time lecturing it to "do better".

This is basically advocating for the chinese social credit system using the current crisis as justification, it will start as "get the vaccine", then "get the delta variant vaccine", "get the lambda variant vaccine", until they find a little breach where they can use things totally unrelated as a reason to keep going until we begin our war with Eastasia
Oops, you bought too much meat and used too much electricity for bitcoin mining this month! You have imperiled the environment, making it unsafe for others, especially black people. You are clearly a public health hazard that cannot be left unchecked.

Now, you can either repent your sins up your score by choosing 3 of the following 5 BLM activists to donate to, or your travel rights will be restricted.
 
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Right to work doesn’t actually mean you have the right to work.

It just means that if your job has a union, you’re not required to pay union dues if you don’t want to be a member of the union.
True, but in general I would say our Founding Fathers would have said a man has a God-given right to be employed to earn money to feed, house and clothe his family as an inalienable right and part of the whole "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" thing.

Because it's difficult to stay alive if you have no money to buy food or shelter.

Taken to it's logical conclusion this is a modern form of the classical Roman form of societal exile--"interdiction from fire and water."

It's one thing to say "you can't go to a restaurant or concert or fly." It's another to say "you can't go into a store to buy food or work to earn money to do so."
 
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Ihre Papiere, bitte.
 
Bad cop: You should be blatantly forced into getting the jab

Good cop: The above, but you'll also get free product for being forced :)
 
Herd immunity wasn’t reached by voluntary means,
Because of the handfisted measures of government which you are continuing to advocate for but this time with a different measure.

Given the logistical difficulties of creating portable, counterfeit-proof vaccine records, it would be difficult to begin imposing requirements immediately. But making sure that literally no one in the country gets into a concert with a fake vaccine record wouldn’t be the point anyway. The point would be to strongly, strongly nudge the hesitant and the procrastinating toward vaccination. That doesn’t require foolproof pass technology, only that American institutions that aren’t captured by MAGA conspiracy brain—blue-state governments, large businesses, colleges, transit providers, urban cultural venues and restaurants—announce, contingent on full FDA approval, that they plan to make certain locations (and privileges like employment) inaccessible sometime soon to anyone who doesn’t have an immunization record or a medical exemption.

It would not be unprecedented. Cruise lines and the NFL and college football conferences and some college campuses are already doing it, as are the U.K. and France, countries that, contrary to the American cultural stereotype, have their own formidable movements of No One’s Gonna Tell Me What to Do people. Perhaps America’s corporate Goliaths—Amazon, Walmart, American Airlines—could demonstrate the virtues of their enormous scale to skeptical Democratic regulators by pushing this effort toward a tipping point.
These people are so despicable. They expect other people or groups (corporations no less) to do their work for them all the while risking nothing on their behalf.
 
It never ceases to astound me how much they want to prove their enemies correct.

I stand by my hypothesis that their current strategy is be as hateable as possible, in order to bait Righties into doing some Minecrafting that will be used to justify more Patriot Act 2.0.
 
Common childhood illnesses kill tens of thousands a year in America, mostly because of anti-vaxx leftists and illegal immigrants.

The US government and the media don't give a shit.

A fucking disease with less a fatality rate than rubella swoops in and makes these fucking crybabies personally afraid and suddenly they're pro-vax.

Half of them have anti-vax shit from 2 years ago on their profiles too.
 
So concerned about the death toll from a cold, yet no concern for the deaths caused by alcohol, smoking, caffeine and unhealthy foods.

Banning McDonald's would save millions of lives and have a positive impact on the environment. But nah, get your shot you nazi right wing Trump supporter, we're on the Left side of history
 
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