Is Chris "getting better"?

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He seems to have changed. The acceptance of his transvestite self (or tomgirl) seems to have erased his old hatreds. True his new persona is less cheerful as his old days, but he has definitely changed witht the knowledge that he goes out by himself.

The question is how long before the next incident occurs. No troll has ever trolled Chris as much as Chris himself has. Both the Snyder and Macing incidents were caused by himself. With Chris its less the end and more the calm before the storm scenario.
 
Is Chris being better? For himself, yes, he seems totally happy. The trolls are a background problem, he goes to Impulse and the only thing he misses is a girlfriend free lesbian.

For us? No he is not as funny as he was in the golden days of CWC Tok.
 
Chris is very unfunny on his own.
I understand the point you're making that he really needs to be pushed to do really funny things and most of his hilarity is a result of troll intervention. I could not agree more with this point.

But! Let's not forget the "untaint" was his sole idea, as well as the Blue Arms protest. These are only a few examples. I largely agree with the point you're making, but Chris can still be hilarious without any troll influence. It's just not as frequent.

First, we need to define "improvement" so we all have the same discussion. What constitutes improvement to one person is very different to another so without defining the term, it's difficult to really discuss.

From the other comments I've read, the definition of improvement seems to be quite liberal. In other words, the bar for Chris is set so low that virtually any social activity where he's not arrested seems to be considered improvement.

Chris has aged from the glorious 2009-2010 years, but his life position has not changed. He still sits around all day with no prospects or drive for self-improvement. I wouldn't be so courteous to say him going out of his house to do something fun should be praised and considered improvement. Remember, he did go to Fridays after Five back then, as well as the Game PLace and other social events so it's not as if this is the first time he is being social. And even in those years he was going to PVCC and writing Sonichu and thus far more productive.

Chris' only improvement is that he no longer does YouTube videos and has somewhat wised up to trolling efforts. He deserves credit for this and I would consider this an improvement. However, as a person, he has only aged up and is yet none the wiser. His mindset is largely the same and there are no prospects it will ever change in the immediate future.
 
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Looking back, am I the only one who thinks Chris' transition to Christine was the major turning point? It's sort of annoying, maybe, but it really seems to be when Chris began experiencing this flowering, leading me to wonder how much of what was holding Chris back was masculinity. I may get the dreaded MISANDRY rating for this, but I can't help seeing a correlation between Chris abandoning "maleness" and becoming happy...

Except the point in time when Chris started to do his transwoman-soul lesbian whatever the fuck tomgirl stuff, that occurred before GamePlace hit-and-run on Snyder. On-site reports did indicate he was wearing way too much women's make up at the trial of all places, so really the beginning of this transition period actually marked the first real instance where Chris had to face legal consequences, and in some ways escaped the worst of it only by basically handing over Bob's entire pension money to Rob Bell in the process.

Additionally, we have every reason to believe Chris only had mace at the GameStop incident because it's kind of a stereotypical woman thing to carry around (gotta remember - Chris's only conception of how the world works is what he's seen on TV and almost all women in the kind of shit he watches have mace). In fact, IIRC there was one person who suggested that from the evidence we had at the time, Chris had been primed to use the Mace before even entering the store, meaning he intended to use it from the get-go and after he did mace the guy, claimed one of the employees was trying to sexually assault him or something because he was a "woman".

Is Chris entirely happy though? Bare in mind that we only see little snippets of Chris' life right now. Just because he got tired of moaning on Facebook about how lonely and unfulfilled his life was it doesn't mean that on the whole he doesn't still feel lonely. Sure he went to a convention, has been that creepy guy who stands on the periphery at a nightclub who you avoid starting conversation with and is comfortable in himself but that doesn't mean overall he absolutely loves his life right now.

Yeah, it's just not clear he's still unhappy with his situation in life as a result of him not posting as much anymore - which in fairness might slightly have been a result of him going to belly dancing classes (why the fuck bellydancing is something I do not know nor do I want to know).

But as we saw when he posted the Blake Amibos were not selling as well as he'd hoped, the entire tone of the posting was way more hostile toward the people reading it than anything from the past several months. That's the biggest hint from OPL himself that he's still got way too much autistic anger at his shitty life outlook hidden behind an optimistic faquade to date - I suspect it might unravel a bit as we get closer to his next court date since all signs there point to all the continuances being on part of the defense...trying to get OPL to a therapist or do stuff to make him seem at least able to fully function in society at large.

If anybody is an ace at pretending his life is amazing and anybody who disagrees is a troll then Chris is.

Actually, I'd say ADF moreso - he literally has nobody who he can talk face-to-face with and call a friend, not even in his head since he's too busy murdering imaginary jews since he pathetically can't think of any other way to protest Zuckerberg not letting him change his name.

OPL at least has the people at Impulse given he's banned from almost every other establishment in Ruckersville.

I'm not too worried about the whole Gamestop/mace deal. We live in a country where people regularly shoot the fuck out of each other for having the wrong skin color & get away with it. With her "unique" mental perspective (and dat handy Autism card!) I don't think anything serious will ever come of it. As continuance after continuance has proved.

I dunno how much the Autism card can be played anymore - even at the first trial, the autism card didn't save him from a potential felony despite not even being the one driving the van when Snyder got hit. It was Snyder showing incredible mercy toward the unappreciative prick who had done wonders of worsening his store's reputation for years that only earned Chris a misdemeanor.

Now, there's tons of evidence showing Chris attacked a guy with mace simply because Chris wanted to mace somebody out of anger despite the victim not even posing any kind of threat. I'd be amazed if this stuff didn't end with Chris getting another psych eval at the very least.

What I am kinda worried about, and honestly speaking here, is Christine maybe inadvertently finding herself in a bad situation at the bar. Admittedly, the LBGT crowd is very tolerant of oddballs- but bars are bars and jackasses are jackasses- especially when they have a skin-full of booze. Just because you're LBGT doesn't mean you're a saint. As still socially inexperienced as she is, I can see several scenarios where she could end up in real bad trouble, real quick.

Agreed - that would end poorly.

the only way chris could get better is to step infront of a moving truck

I'm not sure we can get Barb accelerating at a fast enough rate at a perfect parallel trajectory to the ground in order to test this theory.
 
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CWC is only happy for now because he still has a free ride. He won't be able to live this way forever. His :tugboat: won't help him out much when he finally has to take up responsibility after blarb drops. That's just how the world works. You work so you can be happy and live comfortably. Without a source of income, a person just survives. You think CWC would be as happy if he had to give up legos or his electronics in order to pay a bill? Money isn't everything, but it is a big deal if you want a comfortable life.
Chris gets lots of government benefits and could live like a king on his own. Like really, anyone could have a really comfortable life on the tugboat and associated benefits in Charlottesville.
What I am kinda worried about, and honestly speaking here, is Christine maybe inadvertently finding herself in a bad situation at the bar. Admittedly, the LBGT crowd is very tolerant of oddballs- but bars are bars and jackasses are jackasses- especially when they have a skin-full of booze. Just because you're LBGT doesn't mean you're a saint. As still socially inexperienced as she is, I can see several scenarios where she could end up in real bad trouble, real quick.
Eh, the yardstick that measures "likelyhood to cause trouble in a bar" is entirely measured by alcohol. Chris acting like a doofus doesn't register, at all, on a bouncer's radar, because that's nothing compared to drunk people's actions. If a drunk person starts shit with Chris, which might happen at some point, the drunk person is getting kicked out, not Chris.
I understand the point you're making that he really needs to be pushed to do really funny things and most of his hilarity is a result of troll intervention. I could not agree more with this point.

But! Let's not forget the "untaint" was his sole idea, as well as the Blue Arms protest. These are only a few examples. I largely agree with the point you're making, but Chris can still be hilarious without any troll influence. It's just not as frequent.
The untaint was unfunny. Blue arms shit was a thing, but that was kind of an anomaly. Chris does funny things, sure. If you filter anything through Chris, his interpretation of it will be hilarious. He's out doing funny stuff, IRL, right now. But we're not going to hear about it, and it won't be anything compared to the troll stuff people are expecting.
First, we need to define "improvement" so we all have the same discussion. What constitutes improvement to one person is very different to another so without defining the term, it's difficult to really discuss.

From the other comments I've read, the definition of improvement seems to be quite liberal. In other words, the bar for Chris is set so low that virtually any social activity where he's not arrested seems to be considered improvement.

Chris has aged from the glorious 2009-2010 years, but his life position has not changed. He still sits around all day with no prospects or drive for self-improvement. I wouldn't be so courteous to say him going out of his house to do something fun should be praised and considered improvement. Remember, he did go to Fridays after Five back then, as well as the Game PLace and other social events so it's not as if this is the first time he is being social. And even in those years he was going to PVCC and writing Sonichu and thus far more productive.

Chris' only improvement is that he no longer does YouTube videos and has somewhat wised up to trolling efforts. He deserves credit for this and I would consider this an improvement. However, as a person, he has only aged up and is yet none the wiser. His mindset is largely the same and there are no prospects it will ever change in the immediate future.
"Improvement" should be defined as increasing Chris' happiness.

I think the biggest change is that Chris is taking action to improve his life, instead of waiting for improvement to come to him. That gives him slightly better prospects, long term. So that's cool, I suppose.
 
Personally Chris is in a comfortable position in is life. His social life has improved and he has enough pleasant acquaintances to make up for not having any close friends. However his shyness is the one thing saving him from being kicked out of Impulse for sexual harassment.
 
"Improvement" should be defined as increasing Chris' happiness.

I think the biggest change is that Chris is taking action to improve his life, instead of waiting for improvement to come to him. That gives him slightly better prospects, long term. So that's cool, I suppose.

Yes, Chris is most definitely happier than before, which is a good thing. But I still wouldn't equate "happiness" to "improvement". I guess we'll just have to disagree on that.
 
Yes, Chris is most definitely happier than before, which is a good thing. But I still wouldn't equate "happiness" to "improvement". I guess we'll just have to disagree on that.
Improvement could be viewed from a few different angles. Improvement for the individual? Improvement for the state? Improvement for humanity?

Improvement for the individual is identical to happiness. No question about that. Few people would say that a person who got a great promotion at their job, but they're suddenly way more unhappy, has improved.

Improvement for the state and humanity is a bit more complicated. If you're focusing on that, that's probably an off-topic discussion.
 
I suppose that depends on what you would view as "better".

True, Chris seems to be socializing more and is even taking belly dancing classes, so that could be seen as a step in the right direction. But then we have him chimping out over Sonic's arm color and macing a GameStop employee, as well as him burning down his house last year. These incidents show that some aspects of Chris' personality haven't changed, so I'm not sure if we can truly say that he's "better".

It's too early to determine whether or not he's getting better. It might seem that way for now, but then he could do a complete 180 by the end of the month and end up worse than he was before. I say give him another year or so and we'll see how it goes.
 
Improvement could be viewed from a few different angles. Improvement for the individual? Improvement for the state? Improvement for humanity?

Improvement for the individual is identical to happiness. No question about that. Few people would say that a person who got a great promotion at their job, but they're suddenly way more unhappy, has improved.

Improvement for the state and humanity is a bit more complicated. If you're focusing on that, that's probably an off-topic discussion.
We can go back and forth on this, but this will be my last comment (although I do enjoy the discussion). I think I've sperged enough about this already :)

Again, I disagree that happiness is the same thing as improvement. The opposite of your scenario is someone who feels happy that they did something bad, like beating someone up or stealing. Just because they are happy for doing it, doesn't mean they are improving. I know you don't mean this, but I bring up this example to restate that I still have trouble with equating happiness to improvement. But then again, Chris being happy is a sign that something has improved, which is good.

For Chris, I would define improvement as
  1. making friends;
  2. getting healthy;
  3. learning and maturing;
  4. bettering society
Chris is going to have difficulty with these things due to autism and his upbringing, so it's reasonable to set the bar lower for him. But his whole life the bar has been set so low that he's never really had to do anything.
 
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I wouldn't be so courteous to say him going out of his house to do something fun should be praised and considered improvement. Remember, he did go to Fridays after Five back then, as well as the Game PLace and other social events so it's not as if this is the first time he is being social.
This is a very good point.
 
Another take: Chris may seem to be "getting better", since his most recent antics and posts seem relatively mild when compared to those of lolcows like ADF/Philthy and Len Shaner. Compared to those two, who seem to have no redeeming qualities at all and are actively malevolent, CWC looks almost sympathetic.
 
We can go back and forth on this, but this will be my last comment (although I do enjoy the discussion). I think I've sperged enough about this already :)

Again, I disagree that happiness is the same thing as improvement. The opposite of your scenario is someone who feels happy that they did something bad, like beating someone up or stealing. Just because they are happy for doing it, doesn't mean they are improving. I know you don't mean this, but I bring up this example to restate that I still have trouble with equating happiness to improvement. But then again, Chris being happy is a sign that something has improved, which is good.
Oh, stealing might definitely be a personal improvement if it makes you happy. In my earlier comment, I distinguished personal improvement from improvement to the group.

But I think the distinction is irrelevant to Chris' situation anyway. Chris doesn't do anything that damages people immediately around him, like stealing. The only improvements Chris could have are extremely personal, like him ditching Barb a bit more. Or very large scale improvements that affect everyone, like Chris losing his tugboat. (Well, if you consider that an improvement.)

The large scale improvements aren't really Chris' responsibility to consider, anyway. (Although, fatty should ditch his handicapped parking placard. That'd be an improvement.)
For Chris, I would define improvement as improving 1) making friends; 2) Getting healthy; and 3) learning and maturing; 4) bettering society. Chris is going to have difficulty with these things due to autism and his upbringing, so it's reasonable to set the bar lower for him.
I don't think bettering society is Chris' responsibility, at all. Like, that's your responsibility when you get really, really successful in all the other areas of life.
 
I don't think bettering society is Chris' responsibility, at all. Like, that's your responsibility when you get really, really successful in all the other areas of life.
By improving society, it's as something as small as simply improving your community around you. Volunteering is bettering society. So is helping your neighbors. The lemonade stand he did a while back for (cancer research?) is bettering society. This is of course not his responsibility, but these are still good activities that would improve him as a person.
 
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But I think the distinction is irrelevant to Chris' situation anyway. Chris doesn't do anything that damages people immediately around him, like stealing.

Then why is he constantly in court?

The large scale improvements aren't really Chris' responsibility to consider, anyway.

A debatable point, but probably OT.

I don't think bettering society is Chris' responsibility, at all. Like, that's your responsibility when you get really, really successful in all the other areas of life.

Debatable and definitely OT.
 
Wait, what? When did that happen?
This was related to an incident where a run-away cat attacked Chris and his mother, Barb, they called animal control and the cat had to be put down. Then Chris claimed that the owner of the cat and his grandfather had had a bizarre vendetta against him and released a snake into the hoard. don't know when the incident happened the incident actually happened in 2013, as is implied by the evidence but I just recalled the thread from 2014. I'm sorry for the mistake
Jesus, Chris is stupid.

(edit : found it) : https://kiwifarms.net/threads/catie-christmas-eve-texts.6705/
https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/christhecatkiller-png.11635/
 
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