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America's Hat said:
His complaints about slippy, "fan games", and emulation are unfair as he paints it as Nintendo did something completely wrong and not a requirement under trademark/copyright to uphold their bottom line and licenses. (Don't forget Marvel still pumps comics at a loss to maintain copyright for their movies, so its standard stuff with these laws)

He also compares a dead game (Melee is for the gamecube, a console discontinued in 2007) to current games/esports (Fortnite, COD, Apex) and wonders why Nintendo doesn't support it, when Nintendo has a current smash esports called Ultimate. Again, the tourney advertised an emulated copy, infringing copyright/trademark, and the laws require action. AM2R and Pokemon Uranium are not licensed games and trademark protections require activity from the trademark holder.

The online service is not Nintendo exclusive and all modern console do it because console players are retarded and pay for the privilege of using their own internet.

Nintendo actually makes money supporting Ultimate and not Melee. Melee is literally a bad fighting game, its a party fighting game for kids, with all "top-tier" mechanics being glitches that get banned later on (Wombling, Ice Climbers Freeze, Stalling, Rising Pound) and also bans most of the content (Items/maps), not to mention the calls for banning a playable character (Jigglypuff) since she can abuse the game and Hungrybox fucks everyone with it.

The video is bad faith and makes you agree with him if you don't understand any of nintendo's decision or economical purpose. There is 0 reason to monetary support a buggy game that you don't sell when you have a current best seller bringing you both game and console sales. This also ignores the constant amount of pedo accusations that come from the smash community, with Melee being the biggest offender.

EDIT: The additional framing of Nintendo being against the Etika controller, which were literally some guy selling knockoff controller shells with the Nintendo logo on it. Shocking that I can't sell IPhone cases with the Apple logo on it and not get the same thing from Apple, almost as if brand logos mean something. Not to mention the guy was profiting off of it (not relevant to Nintendo, but funny in regards to everyone defending the "charity"). This video is just giving headlines of websites and painting a narrative, not at all a factual or argumentative take on why Nintendo is bad and has fanboys that defend them to hell and back.

Second Edit: He also compares buggy game releases to Nintendo shutting down Controller Shells and preventing advertisement of Emulated games. He compares China TF2 knock-off to AM2R and Pokemon Uranium, where China doesn't care about copyright law unlike the rest of the world. Also, Sakurai must like Project M and Melee and not his current Smash Ultimate, or else he's evil. He can't realize that Nintendo fans like Ultimate and not Melee, because they just don't want to play buggy-competitive game. The video is literally someone complaining because Nintendo doesn't care about his favorite game, and he even admits that he only cares about Melee. People telling him they don't care about Melee is somehow proof that Nintendo fans are sheep, instead of them enjoying the new content in Ultimate.
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I think the point is more towards how Nintendo has really gone stupidly overprotective when it comes to copyright, and how the 3DS modder being stalked is not helping. I get that companies need to protect their IPs but Nintendo just takes it one step further unlike other companies. I agree that Nintendo should stick to supporting Ultimate and not supporting Melee at all and the video did mention that the Smash Bros community is definitely not being put in a positive light for obviously valid reasons, as well as I also agree on how dumb the Etika controversy is (EmpLemon only mentioned it for few seconds but the point still stands), but even then I don't think the takedowns for AM2R and/or Pokemon Uranium are necessary. (I can kind of understand why AM2R was taken down because of Samus Returns, but Pokemon Uranium is something I don't get either)

It definitely sucks that the Big House tournament is taken down because of the emulation especially that the COVID-19 has to force the community to do this shit via emulation, and I'm pretty sure that there were no big video game tournaments that advertised emulation apart from this one, but even then I can see from Emp's perspective. If Nintendo doesn't make any digit from the Melee scene I see no reason why Nintendo has to be so overprotective when it comes to shutting down the tournament. I'm posting this as someone who mocked the whole #FreeMelee bullshit and thought the only thing I thought Nintendo did it badly was their takedown of video game music at the time. Then again, it's still dumb how Emp acted as if Melee has to be supported a lot.

HiddenFist said:
They don't need Nintendo, but the problem is that they want Nintendo to financially fund the scene and let them do whatever they want.
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It's either they want Nintendo to leave them alone, or Nintendo to financially fund the scene with a huge prize pool. I recall during the #FreeMelee controversy there were some people mocking about how the prize pool for the official Splatoon tournament is so low which I can at least understand why, but acting as if Nintendo should've much more like in the 5-6 digits (as proven by the the protest tournament they set up which offered a much bigger prize pool to mock Nintendo) is just pathetic.
 
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albert chan said:
At this point, I’m convinced that people sending out Twitlongers and not real physical pictures of proof must be some form of the blame game that not even fans of Smash would want to bother with.
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You can't wavedash or do any glitchy exploits in the blame game, so I can't blame them for doing so.
 
America's Hat said:
EDIT: The additional framing of Nintendo being against the Etika controller, which were literally some guy selling knockoff controller shells with the Nintendo logo on it. Shocking that I can't sell IPhone cases with the Apple logo on it and not get the same thing from Apple, almost as if brand logos mean something. Not to mention the guy was profiting off of it (not relevant to Nintendo, but funny in regards to everyone defending the "charity"). This video is just giving headlines of websites and painting a narrative, not at all a factual or argumentative take on why Nintendo is bad and has fanboys that defend them to hell and back.
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Reminds me of an emulator/rom site that had paid queues and such for new games/better download speeds/less restrictions, and even had the ability to play games in your browser. But nah, gotta make it a sad sob story about how a husband now has to pay 2mil while his wife is in labor.

Don't mean to sound like a bootlicker but some Nintendo fans are just downright stupid when it comes to not understanding law. I get it, Nintendo needs to be more lax on a lot of shit, but when your main argument is "THEY DON'T MAKE MONEY OFF THESE GAMES ANYMORE" but conveniently ignore the part where someone else is making money off of downloads, that's just retarded.
 

Hands down, best Melee set of all time.

That whole tournament was cracked as fuck. Ultimate will never be as exciting, even at their own version of Summit

Edit: that set had everything. A long, tough Mang0 losers run, a gauntlet of melee's finest at their best, extremely improbable comebacks midset from both players, and Zain, the best player in the world and an incredible opponent who was a brick wall to all of his adversaries.

The storyline might not be as dramatic like in Evo or big house, but the gameplay is the best theyve both played.

Ultimate doesn't come near as close to the raw gameplay, or even have any storyline worth investing in.
 
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José Mourinho said:
I think the point is more towards how Nintendo has really gone stupidly overprotective when it comes to copyright, and how the 3DS modder being stalked is not helping. I get that companies need to protect their IPs but Nintendo just takes it one step further unlike other companies. I agree that Nintendo should stick to supporting Ultimate and not supporting Melee at all and the video did mention that the Smash Bros community is definitely not being put in a positive light for obviously valid reasons, as well as I also agree on how dumb the Etika controversy is (EmpLemon only mentioned it for few seconds but the point still stands), but even then I don't think the takedowns for AM2R and/or Pokemon Uranium are necessary. (I can kind of understand why AM2R was taken down because of Samus Returns, but Pokemon Uranium is something I don't get either)

It definitely sucks that the Big House tournament is taken down because of the emulation especially that the COVID-19 has to force the community to do this shit via emulation, and I'm pretty sure that there were no big video game tournaments that advertised emulation apart from this one, but even then I can see from Emp's perspective. If Nintendo doesn't make any digit from the Melee scene I see no reason why Nintendo has to be so overprotective when it comes to shutting down the tournament. I'm posting this as someone who mocked the whole #FreeMelee bullshit and thought the only thing I thought Nintendo did it badly was their takedown of video game music at the time. Then again, it's still dumb how Emp acted as if Melee has to be supported a lot.
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The points against Nintendo being hardcore against 3DS modding isn't too out there, since the modder was essentially making a jailbreak system that could lead to loss sales. Its not good, but the issue is Emp isn't making a fair accusation saying X is bad. He's saying Y happened, and Y is bad and also X is bad. But Y didn't happen, Z happened. What I'm saying through variables is that Emp mischaracterize a lot of complaints with a few good ones, that is supposed to make the viewer think negatively of Nintendo. If anyone even knows the real story behind one of these mischaracterized statements, its reasonable to assume that Emp intentionally mischaracterized, therefore all of the video may be a mischaracterization. If he really wanted to make an anti-Nintendo video, he would've done so, but this is essentially slander and is advocating for brigading against Nintendo, solely (through his own admission) because they moved on from Melee.

Also the reason of AM2R and Pokemon Uranium takedowns being so gung-ho is because Nintendo wants to hold their copyright/trademark to the letter. Is it overkill, potentially, and until a judge explicitly rules in their case what the minimum they need to do to maintain copyright/trademark, it's impossible to fully know.
Slamerella said:
I swear I remember seeing somewhere that the guy was pocketing off it.
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He sold them for Charity through his work.
They costed 65$ for the shell (which is more then new Joy-Cons), in which about 25% would go to "charity", 10% to himself, and the remainder 65% was for cost. (Somehow shells of plastic cost 42.25$ when ordered in bulk from China). He also slaped the Nintendo logo on there, which caused the C&D letter. Finally, he never even asked Etika's family if they wanted this (which to my understanding had 0 knowledge of them until it made news and don't want to be involved).
 
PlasticOwls said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=P4gNB3Cfai4
Hands down, best Melee set of all time.

That whole tournament was cracked as fuck. Ultimate will never be as exciting, even at their own version of Summit

Edit: that set had everything. A long, tough Mang0 losers run, a gauntlet of melee's finest at their best, extremely improbable comebacks midset from both players, and Zain, the best player in the world and an incredible opponent who was a brick wall to all of his adversaries.

The storyline might not be as dramatic like in Evo or big house, but the gameplay is the best theyve both played.

Ultimate doesn't come near as close to the raw gameplay, or even have any storyline worth investing in.
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"storyline"?

bro its a fuckin party game grow up
 
PlasticOwls said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=P4gNB3Cfai4
Hands down, best Melee set of all time.

That whole tournament was cracked as fuck. Ultimate will never be as exciting, even at their own version of Summit

Edit: that set had everything. A long, tough Mang0 losers run, a gauntlet of melee's finest at their best, extremely improbable comebacks midset from both players, and Zain, the best player in the world and an incredible opponent who was a brick wall to all of his adversaries.

The storyline might not be as dramatic like in Evo or big house, but the gameplay is the best theyve both played.

Ultimate doesn't come near as close to the raw gameplay, or even have any storyline worth investing in.
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Best Melee set, where they play on modified maps (pokemon stadium never changes form). Your competitive game is literally a restriction on core gameplay components. You have to modify the "greatest fighting game" to "balance" it.
 
PlasticOwls said:
The storyline might not be as dramatic like in Evo or big house, but the gameplay is the best theyve both played.

Ultimate doesn't come near as close to the raw gameplay, or even have any storyline worth investing in.
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It's not pro wrestling, or some other type of performance.
There are no "storylines" in the Smash community, just manchildren beefing with each other every other week.
That, or pedophiles and rapists being exposed.
 
Zulu Warrior said:
It's not pro wrestling, or some other type of performance.
There are no "storylines" in the Smash community, just manchildren beefing with each other every other week.
That, or pedophiles and rapists being exposed.
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There's a lot of story in Melee: enough to have a 5 hour documentary come out in 2013. In the 8 years since then, there's also the stories involving Leffen, the PPMD/LOZR doubles run, Amsa's journey to America and landing Yoshi on the proverbial map, Axe's super major win with Pikachu.

Granted, if the argument is that all smash bros is autistic and dumb, and fighting games will never be the same level as pro wrestling, fine. But Melee is that one game with new players and old talent proving they can still compete in 2021 and still improve after over a decade. It's hard to say that for any standalone game.

I don't know how well you guys know about Melee, or care at all tbh, but shit was insane last weekend.
 
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