South Africa Collapses - Another one bites the dust

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The problem with this solution is Whites and Coloured who would form a new state are fairly scattered between the west and east coast

So a fair bit of immigration would have to be involved. Like 15% of the countries population who have to up and go re-settle.

The trail of tears would be inevitable. But to paraphrase the AI from Superliminal: Refusal to apply this solution implies ignorance of all the other options which are much, much worse.

The east is already dindu country. Everyone living there is on borrowed time. And if they don't draw borders the westward migration of roaming ghoul packs will take the rest with it. Sometimes the only way to stop an infection is to cut the limb off.
 
South Africa has its own academic madness called Fallism. "Decolonizing" and "rejecting western science" is their game and that manifests as valuing village witch doctors as much as scientists and destroying stuff.

The country now has a bunch of graduates with no jobs... coincidence?
So it's the black version of Uncle Ted's ideology? It's a literal revolt against the modern world.
 
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Ok so here's what's really killing me about this whole thing, all the looting, all the rioting, the violence. Free Zuma right?

Have they even tried to storm the prison lmao?
Well, why pass up the opportunity for so much free shit?
This is way better than gibsmedats, and why'd they care about wrecking their own country in the process?
Doesn't matter if you don't bother thinking ahead.
 
This whole africa riot shit reminds me of a video from some months ago from WhatifAlthist, where he predicted the collapse of South Africa.

Video itself isn't relevant, so I won't bother linking it but point is, in it he included racial segregation via balkanization as a posibility. And I've come to think this might be the "good ending" for South Africa. His video finished in this map:

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I have only 2 issues with it.

1-He labels "the cape of good hope" as just "the cape", poor form, man, poor form.

2-He segregates Zulus and Xhosas. I for one think they wouldn't segregate between each other due to their deluded belief in rainbow ideology "united front" mentality. And shouldn't be advised to do so because they pose much less of a threat while fucking themselves over thanks to tribalism.

Either way, with such a system the cape of good hope wouldn't have to pay for the zulu and xhosa dindu tendencies, so they'd have an honest chance to thrive so long as they don't fall to corruption and tribalism between all the less violent subgroups (coloured, muzzies, anglos, boer, streetshitters) and botswana would take good care of its new annexation. Lesotho I'd be more worried about but they're not full dindus so they have a chance, and the Xhosa and Zulu would lilely collapse fast. Which as far as I'm concerned, is the least damaging end for the country as a whole.

Only issue is I don't think south african non-dindus will realize this is their only chance to survive without genocyding the dindus until it's too late.
Indians wouldn't be living in The Cape of good hope
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Already seen terminally online south Africans who grew up in gated communities trying to claim that everything is fine.

Apparently all this violence pales in comparison to the great podium theft of 6/1 2021
Come on now, clearly millions of dollars in damage, infrastructure destruction, dozens dead, and hundreds injured is nothing in comparison to some dude messing with Nancy Pelosi's stationary
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I bet he even rearranged her sticky notes.

But on a more serious note, you're probably right in your assessment of these people. For as much damage as has been done, a lot of people won't be impacted by this not directly in any case (as you said gated communities or they're simply living in a different city or town). So it becomes easier to pretend that it's not that big of a deal because for them it's not.
 
They think we're a racist white ethnostate and then they move here and sulk about how racist we are and how we somehow owe them reparations for the farm they built on nigger land that got burned down by niggers, and instead of just harmlessly chimping around and smashing up storefronts they all run for elected offices in their degenerate whitoid quest for power over other people's lives. They're the worst kind of immigrants that have ever or will ever exist. I would rather take in a hundred rabid AIDS-infected mau-mau terrorists than a single white south african.

I know everyone here is a racist pol nazi so the branding and optics of 'white genocide' is going to give you a kneejerk reaction and all that but all I'm asking is that you look at it rationally and accept that there are bad white genocides and then there are some good white genocides and this is one of the good white genocides.
If Australia ever pushed against Apartheid then Australia deserves to get fucked into the dirt by the boers
 
The trail of tears would be inevitable. But to paraphrase the AI from Superliminal: Refusal to apply this solution implies ignorance of all the other options which are much, much worse.

The east is already dindu country. Everyone living there is on borrowed time. And if they don't draw borders the westward migration of roaming ghoul packs will take the rest with it. Sometimes the only way to stop an infection is to cut the limb off.

This works until the South African army and air force move in i guess...maybe some sort tribute paying entity could exist but i just do not see them being ok with it

If an Ethnostate emerges atleast we encourage all the /pol tards to up and leave
 
Indians wouldn't be living in The Cape of good hope
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True, but they can move there push comes to shove. I think a lot of people would be more lenient towards relocation if the alternative was current day X100 (the most likely result given current trends).

The problem though with partition is that it requires visibly public grievances that guide societal activism and the formation of parallel political and military institutions that can pick up the slack once the central government is rejected. So far, aside from a few Cape Independence movements, I see none of that as too many in the opposition are still asleep, especially the DA.
 
The current riots show that south africa is still divided along racial and tribal lines.
Zuma and his supporters are Zulus, the biggest ethnic group in the RSA.
Most people in positions of power are Xhosa, like Nelson Mandela and Thabo Mbeki.
The Xhosa dislike the Zulu, because a lot of Zulu volunteered for the Apartheid government and made up large parts of the lower ranks of the military and police.
The Zulu dislike the Xhosa because they managed to accumulate more wealth after the fall of the old south africa.
Honestly, a two state solution isn't enough, if you want peace, there should be at least 5 seperate countries or so.
Like fr. Yugoslavia that split into Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro and the Kosovo.
 
Footage from Tuesday morning: Music instrument store ransacked in Durban, you can hear the pain in the voice of the guy behind the camera.





Earlier today: Indian community beating up looters in the streets






Interview with White community defense organiser in South Africa





Footage of a gun shop that was looted bare earlier. Not good


 
This works until the South African army and air force move in i guess...maybe some sort tribute paying entity could exist but i just do not see them being ok with it

If an Ethnostate emerges atleast we encourage all the /pol tards to up and leave
TBH I think that the moment the country fractures the army itself would then divide on ethnic lines. If only the Cape secedes, I could see a good chunk of the white forces defecting, perhaps apart from those who still drink the rainbow kool-aid.

But yes, otherwise any nascent nation will need to ask others for protection, at least until it reorganizes itself. The West would never really recognize it as it symbolizes the abject failure of diversity, but if it comes down to the issue of survival, I suppose that China would be willing to lend a hand in exchange for some form of suzerainty (i.e. a naval base in the Cape).
 
TBH I think that the moment the country fractures the army itself would then divide on ethnic lines. If only the Cape secedes, I could see a good chunk of the white forces defecting, perhaps apart from those who still drink the rainbow kool-aid.

But yes, otherwise any nascent nation will need to ask others for protection, at least until it reorganizes itself. The West would never really recognize it as it symbolizes the abject failure of diversity, but if it comes down to the issue of survival, I suppose that China would be willing to lend a hand in exchange for some form of suzerainty (i.e. a naval base in the Cape).

Ironically China would probably if the rights to minerals were priced right.
 
To my followers outside of South Africa; here is a thread for you to better understand what is currently going on in the country. As would be expected some of the reporting has been solid but much of it has been sensationalist or simply off the mark.


ARCHIVE 1: https://archive.vn/tgzdt

ARCHIVE 2: https://archive.vn/gmoKL


Here is the threadreader version for easier reading:


ARCHIVE 1: https://archive.vn/e00FI

ARCHIVE 2: https://archive.vn/GPRsc


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To my followers outside of South Africa; here is a thread for you to better understand what is currently going on in the country.

As would be expected some of the reporting has been solid but much of it has been sensationalist or simply off the mark.

First up a disclaimer. This isn’t a thread aimed at highlighting isolated incidents of violence or looting, of which there are plenty, but rather one in which I will try to provide insight into what is happening and more importantly why these events are taking place.

The narrative you may have heard is that the former President (2009 - 2018) of the country, Jacob Zuma, has been jailed for contempt of court after refusing to appear at the Zondo Commission, a commission of inquiry he established to probe widespread State corruption.

One of the issues with setting up a commission to establish the extent of Government corruption and so-called “State capture” is that as the head or former head of State you’re likely to be asked some difficult questions. Zuma isn’t big on difficult questions.

As such he looked for every excuse under the sun (illness, bias, jurisdiction etc.) in an ultimately futile attempt to avoid appearing at the commission. The commission then escalated the matter to the courts and the Constitutional Court found Zuma in contempt.

He was then sentenced to 15 months imprisonment for the contempt. It bears mentioning at this point that Zuma is yet to stand trial for more than 700 charges of corruption, fraud, and money laundering emanating from an arms deal more than 20 years ago.

Naturally the former President has some supporters in the country, many of whom believe that he has been hard done by. There is also the issue of tribalism whereby Zuma is a Zulu man in a country with several ethnic groups of which the Zulu nation is the largest (12 million).

Following a week of uncertainty Zuma handed himself over to police and was jailed last week. Subsequent to this there have been protest marches by supporters and in recent days violent rioting and looting by various groups of people.

However this is not the full story.

South Africa is a complex country, no different to many others but perhaps unique in how it came to be, it’s oppressive past, and it’s way of dealing (or not dealing) with all of the aforementioned. These issues are just a part of where we find ourselves now.

In 1994 when the country had its first democratic elections the African National Congress (ANC) was elected to power and their leader at the time, Nelson Mandela, installed by them as President. Mandela, as is well documented, was a conciliatory man who preached unity.

Thus unity (“the rainbow nation”) was the message and together with a relatively robust economic policy (GEAR) which prioritized GDP growth and sound management of the fiscus as well as relatively free market economics. Things were far from perfect but they were on the up.

For the average citizen, including the poor there was improvement, albeit slow, in both living standards and general poverty. However the ANC is a conflicted party, having made a deal with the communist devil in the 60’s and then buying Soviet propaganda whole later on.

Thus a laissez-faire approach to the economy was always doomed to fail, or more appropriately was doomed to be sabotaged. After Mandela the ANC moved steadily towards far more central control and planning of both the economy (ASGISA, GNP, NDP) and of society at large.

Government pushed socialism and identity politics hard through poor social welfare and measures like enforced race based employment/businesses, and academics/journalists/business leaders all responded in kind by endorsing these policies and foisting them upon society at large.

In the end the only people who benefitted were a handful of well connected individuals and already wealthy elites. The GDP growth began to slow and the real economy started to shrink. Fewer jobs and opportunities for the poor was the net result.

Undeterred the populace which actually votes (a minority) continued to elect the ANC, who in turn continued to install progressively poorer and poorer leaders (Mbeki; Zuma; Ramaphosa). A lot can be said of Zuma and his corrupt ways, but one thing he isn’t is an ideologue.

In comes Cyril Ramaphosa as the President of the country. A former trade unionist, a committed communist at heart, and a man who had used those race based policies (Black economic empowerment [BEE]) to become a billionaire. He takes over with the country at a precipice.

He’s no stranger to the situation having been Zuma’s Deputy President (2014 - 2018) and having presided over such failures as the collapse of our electricity generation to the point that we’ve now had regular blackouts (called loadshedding) for more than a decade on and off.

Ramaphosa is also well aware of the very high unemployment in the country and a deepening divide between the classes. He approaches this by doubling down on socialist policy based on failed Soviet era policy which his party calls the “National Democratic Revolution”.

It’s important to note that Ramaphosa and the ANC policy is largely and vocally supported by almost every major news editor, academic, large corporation etc. and that any push back is deemed to be either racist or right wing or some other ad hominem.

Given this background of a failing country, a corrupt State, and a largely unemployed and hopeless populace - enter stage left COVID-19. It’s still too early to tell for sure but it appears as if Ramaphosa/Government viewed this as the ideal scapegoat for all their failures.

As with most other countries in the world we too panicked at the existence of a novel virus, and in March of 2020 Ramaphosa instituted a lockdown for “21 days to flatten the curve”. To do this he instituted a state of disaster which more than 16 months later remains in place.

At one point SA had the harshest lockdown in the world with bans on such items as open toed shoes and cooked chicken. To this day we remain in lockdown having moved into and out of harsher restrictions over time. Lockdowns have been the straw which broke the camels back.

In developed countries lockdowns have taken their toll, but Governments have been able to mitigate some of the damage by printing trillions of dollars and falling back on a competent if not ideal social welfare system. We simply didn’t have either option available to us.


Interesting reading. Would be interested what others who have more knowledge on the ground think of it.
 
Fewer jobs and opportunities for the poor was the net result.
Ramaphosa is also well aware of the very high unemployment in the country and a deepening divide between the classes. He approaches this by doubling down on socialist policy based on failed Soviet era policy which his party calls the “National Democratic Revolution”.
Well there's your smoking gun
 
Better for whites in some regards, not better for blacks. Although I do often here the idea thrown around that many black people are living in conditions not much better than under apartheid, and I can't be sure about it but I've seen a fair number of squatter camps to think there might be some truth to that.


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Better for whites in some regards, not better for blacks. Although I do often here the idea thrown around that many black people are living in conditions not much better than under apartheid,



Black people and white people seem to be getting on without a care in the world in that video. Even the 'Coloureds' too, which has been explained is an official racial group distinct to native blacks or whites. Kind of 'mystery meats'.

The UK in the 70's was a fucking grim place to be, and all things considered, I think I would have chosen SA any day for the quality of life, if not for the weather alone.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated!



For all the political posturing and virtue signalling, it certainly looked a fuck tonne better back then than it does now. But the seeds of its very own destruction were still being sewn by that point. Same as America.

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On a lighter note, or is that a heavier note? WTF?


Dangerous wild animals are roaming the streets after the locals in Northern KZN removed the fence at Hluhluwe game reserve as part of calling for the release of former President
@PresJGZuma from prison






They had no Kraken to unleash, so I suppose the Rhino would just have to do.
 
The current riots show that south africa is still divided along racial and tribal lines.
Zuma and his supporters are Zulus, the biggest ethnic group in the RSA.
Most people in positions of power are Xhosa, like Nelson Mandela and Thabo Mbeki.
The Xhosa dislike the Zulu, because a lot of Zulu volunteered for the Apartheid government and made up large parts of the lower ranks of the military and police.
The Zulu dislike the Xhosa because they managed to accumulate more wealth after the fall of the old south africa.
Honestly, a two state solution isn't enough, if you want peace, there should be at least 5 seperate countries or so.
Like fr. Yugoslavia that split into Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro and the Kosovo.
Xhosa and Zulu, South Africa version of Hatfields vs McCoys.
 
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