Timothy Nathan Shortnacy / Devi Ever / Amber Coal / Grace Lynn / Pixelgoth / LittleMouseVR - Scammer and flip-flopper who can't commit to a career and drove Chloe Sagal to suicide.

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Devi Ever said:
I was smoking a lot in those days and that microphone is shit, but hey, if cackling makes me an SJW, I guess I'm guilty.
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Back in your SJW days did you ever break into a good honest Men's Rights Activist house in the night and cut off his johnson while he slept? (trick question, obviously you did)
 
Arctic said:
Not hating on you, he deserved it. :ween: Why did you leave Gamergate by the way?
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A lot of people in GG have spun it to be because I wanted everyone to attack Milo because he had posted some pretty transphobic stuff in the past, but it was actually about ethics in...

Seriously though, I was definitely one of those "muh PR" gamergaters because I realized GG was going to get slaughtered on the mass media level if they didn't try to present themselves better, which of course is what came to pass.

I specifically was making a point about how treating Milo like he was ethical (when he is the queen of click baiting) wasn't doing the movement any favors. I was very much anti e-celebs from day one and when I started to see the little cults form around people like Milo and whoever else, I spoke my mind about it all.

... but what made me leave GG was the fact the over reaction by everyone when I was trying to point this all out in a convo with Milo. Within an hour this narrative grew that I was turning SJW or something... spurned on by Chobitcoin (an enemy of mine at the time IRL) lying about me, and the next thing I know I'm getting inundated with really bigoted and completely off the mark tweets from hundreds of GG supporters.

Now, I know that sounds very exaggerated, especially with how often SJW's these daze claim "muh harassment" for a few dozen or less GGers speaking their minds in reply to a tweet, but this was early on in gamergate when there were a lot more people active in the tag including a lot more third party trolls.

So yeah, it was pretty overwhelming to me at the time, especially since I had committed so much of identity and self worth into the whole gamergate cause, since it hit close to home since I had so many personal shit dealings with all the various SJW's GG was calling out.

I think too it got to a point where I was seeing all these people who weren't in the gaming industry, but were rather just butt mad gamers getting a lot more traction in the cause, and it's not that I was jealous, but I was definitely frustrated that GG seemed more about the drama and spectacle that actually helping people in the industry. I mean hell, even now they rally around a few "e-celeb"-ish developers and hardly actually do anything to support indies.

Anyhow... that's the long short of it. Obviously there's a LOT more to it, but that was definitely some of the key points of what went down.
 
Devi Ever said:
A lot of people in GG have spun it to be because I wanted everyone to attack Milo because he had posted some pretty transphobic stuff in the past, but it was actually about ethics in...

Seriously though, I was definitely one of those "muh PR" gamergaters because I realized GG was going to get slaughtered on the mass media level if they didn't try to present themselves better, which of course is what came to pass.

I specifically was making a point about how treating Milo like he was ethical (when he is the queen of click baiting) wasn't doing the movement any favors. I was very much anti e-celebs from day one and when I started to see the little cults form around people like Milo and whoever else, I spoke my mind about it all.

... but what made me leave GG was the fact the over reaction by everyone when I was trying to point this all out in a convo with Milo. Within an hour this narrative grew that I was turning SJW or something... spurned on by Chobitcoin (an enemy of mine at the time IRL) lying about me, and the next thing I know I'm getting inundated with really bigoted and completely off the mark tweets from hundreds of GG supporters.

Now, I know that sounds very exaggerated, especially with how often SJW's these daze claim "muh harassment" for a few dozen or less GGers speaking their minds in reply to a tweet, but this was early on in gamergate when there were a lot more people active in the tag including a lot more third party trolls.

So yeah, it was pretty overwhelming to me at the time, especially since I had committed so much of identity and self worth into the whole gamergate cause, since it hit close to home since I had so many personal shit dealings with all the various SJW's GG was calling out.

I think too it got to a point where I was seeing all these people who weren't in the gaming industry, but were rather just butt mad gamers getting a lot more traction in the cause, and it's not that I was jealous, but I was definitely frustrated that GG seemed more about the drama and spectacle that actually helping people in the industry. I mean hell, even now they rally around a few "e-celeb"-ish developers and hardly actually do anything to support indies.

Anyhow... that's the long short of it. Obviously there's a LOT more to it, but that was definitely some of the key points of what went down.
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I'm pro-GG, but this is understandable criticism, and I can understand why you feel burnt out on the issue.
 
Devi Ever said:
Seriously though, I was definitely one of those "muh PR" gamergaters because I realized GG was going to get slaughtered on the mass media level if they didn't try to present themselves better, which of course is what came to pass.
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Some good points, but let's face it, gamers were going to get crucified in the media regardless, so while it wasn't an intelligent tactical decision so much as it was inevitable, just saying fuck it, embracing the bad image, and going and stomping the other side was, if not optimal, at least rational.

Both sides pretty much suck but anti sucks slightly more, pretty much, and most of the people I find funny are on the anti side. But I'd never overtly side with the /pol/lacks, MRAs and outright spastics on the GG side.

My main interest in it is it has been fun to watch, and not to actually get directly involved in any of this bullshit.
 
AnOminous said:
Some good points, but let's face it, gamers were going to get crucified in the media regardless, so while it wasn't an intelligent tactical decision so much as it was inevitable, just saying fuck it, embracing the bad image, and going and stomping the other side was, if not optimal, at least rational.
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I think GG was as restrained and mature as such a group can be which is still pretty retarded. To be honest if they'd just gone full force 2006 anon, burned everything to the ground and salted the fields the whole shit would have been done in a month or two and nobody have tested the internet again for another decade. Zoe just became an anon lolcow and the chans were weak enough that her media friends could get involved with relatively little repercussion.
 
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You are the pedal designer that had that beef with Billy Corgan right? I fucking loved Smashing Pumpkins growing up and would be cool to hear what it was like dealing with him.

I'm not much of a video gamer beyond a few games but i'm a pretty big music nerd. I actually own one of your old pedals. I sorta skimmed this thread and didn't see much on it besides you sold that company. Why did you sell it? Why indie video games of all things?
 
Da Big Staw said:
You are the pedal designer that had that beef with Billy Corgan right? I fucking loved Smashing Pumpkins growing up and would be cool to hear what it was like dealing with him.

I'm not much of a video gamer beyond a few games but i'm a pretty big music nerd. I actually own one of your old pedals. I sorta skimmed this thread and didn't see much on it besides you sold that company. Why did you sell it? Why indie video games of all things?
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Yeah, that's me.

I sold devi ever : fx because at the time I was really burnt out on the business and I wanted to move on to game dev because that had been a dream of mine since I was a kid.

TheMonkeyMan said:
Do you have any funny stories about pro-GG people?
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Nothing that hasn't already been brought to light by now or become a parody of itself.

HickoryDickory said:
I'd like to see more pixel art. :heart-full:
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This is one of my recent faces using the NES palette + darkest gameboy green.

I post the better part of my work over at my patreon (no I'm not asking you to donate, it's all publicly available) : https://www.patreon.com/deviever?ty=c

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While researching Destructoid's Jonathan Holmes, I couldn't help notice that he's somewhat friendly with you. This leads me to believe that you are in a position to shed some light on DT-related drama and antics. With that being said, I will also understand if you'll refuse to answer the questions I'm about to present you due to not wishing to discuss personal matters involving friends of yours (presuming you still have friends at DT).

My first question is about Holly Green. For those of you don't know, Holly used to work in DT but was eventually fired, and all of the content she wrote for the site was deleted. As she puts it:

“You know, y’all really piss me off. Radio silence on what Dtoid did to me while you piss your pants straining to defend others.”
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“They threatened me, erased my body of work, and repeatedly ignore or deny sexual misconduct. But I’m the bad guy.”
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Yanier "Niero" Gonzalez, owner of DT, present a different picture, saying that Holly behaved in a disruptive and aggressive manner at work, and even physcially assualted Hamza Aziz (another former DT writer). As for the alleged sexual misconduct, Gonazalez says that Holly alleges an employee of Ubisoft raped her and DT failed to take any appropriate action:

“Early on there she would literally cry when she thought praise was due to her (she felt underappreciated. Nobody thanks me daily either)

“It got worse. Whenever we had a problem with her behavior she would overshare problems with her love life and family. It was really awkward for me to deal with. She was a handful. Just painting a picture for you so far.

“Nobody would say she is a bad writer. She always did good work here and she and I had a good friendship. I dont think she had any beef with particular staff either.” [sic]

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“She became increasingly outspoken for certain triggers and would rail against staff. When she disagreed with staff she’d then vent passive aggressively on Twitter, and later often taking personal jabs at industry people. No surprise here, she still does this daily if you can catch those tweets before deletion. Almost comedically on Friday nights now when drunk. We all drink but she got very unpredictable.

“I actually made a little handbook called something like “how not to kill each other while working at destructoid” that she signed which clearly explains that “she is the company”. Some of that was edited and expanded specifically for her.

“This continued. She received multiple warnings from staff about it. One of my guys would even be on the phone with her for hours, like a counselor. The email threads were 100+ long sometimes.

“I started to worry about how she would act at press events too, where the alcohol flows freely.

“We blog about Luigi. I dont need all this theater in my life or staff’s inbox.

“Like Allistair said, I dont even like influencing editorial. Im not a micromanager. She went from handful to code red constantly where I had to play mediator.

“When I decided to let her go (a calm very emotional 2 hour conversation) there was no “chance” to give because she hadnt made one specific mistake — she was just scary to work with for months. My team was on pins and needles as to not set her off. [sic]”

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“After she got a new job she one day randomly began tweeting about everything from my financial problems (see volunteering above) to name calling my guys. Naturally, I stood up for myself. Ugly words traded.

“The day I heard she hit hamza and saw people cheering her I cut all ties. It was over something a friend of a friend of her said, which (shocker) was a lie. She then tried to make her firing about a guy at Ubisoft allegedly raping her (see oversharing and Luigi) and my company was somehow associated because we know him. Then her followers called my best friend and coworker really horrible things. (Tweets all conveniently deleted 24 hours later) [sic]”
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What's your take on this whole thing? Do Holly's accusations have any merit to then? What about Niero's counter accusations? And what's your overall take on Niero? Alistair Pinsof (another former DT writer who left in disgrace) alleges that Niero often gets inappropriately drunk and that he was actually drunk when he fired him. Do you have any comments about these shenanigans or any amusing DT-related ancedotes you'd like to share?

EDIT: I previously wrote in this post that Dale North, former Editor-In-Cheif of DT, was alleged by Pinsof to have been drunk during the firing of him (Pinsof). I couldn't find any source for this despite remembering otherwise, so I removed that part from my post. Pinsof still says though that Gonzalez was drunk when he fired him.
 
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Dynastia said:
@Devi Ever

Now that you're all burned out on gamergate, social justice the and transgendered community, are there still any internet communities at all that you consider yourself to be a part of, or care about in any meaningful way?
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I've never felt comfortable being a part of any community. I just like doing the things I do and being around like minded people who dig on whatever I am doing at the time and who inspire me to be a better creator. That's why, at the end of the day, I really like twitter for the various small circles of illustrators and game devs who don't get too involved in drama, and why lately I've been incredibly strict with blocking people who only tweet about bullshit, suck the dick of people who do, and then I make sure to only follow people who inspire me on a day to day basis.

I will say this much... ever since I've started following more Japanese game devs, as well as illustrators (worldwide), I've been exposed to much less SJW / GG bullshit.

It's really interesting how you can get really fixated and wrapped up in what amounts to e-celeb drama and lose the forest for the trees.

The world isn't falling apart. No one is going to take yuh freedoms away. Who cares if some notable person demonizes you.

We live in a day and age where it's easier than ever to spend time creating the things you want to create... living the fantasies you want to live... yet so many people treat the here and now like at any moment we are going to revert back to the dark ages or something.

I mean fuck, even if the power got cut off and telecommunications were fucked, we are drowning in so much robust technology and information that it'd be no problem rebooting society or at the very least continuing to enjoy an experience of a post-technology apocalypse.

Worst case scenario is that Aliens torturously enslave humanity, and even then, yay aliens! :biggrin:

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While researching Destructoid's Jonathan Holmes, I couldn't help notice that he's somewhat friendly with you. This leads me to believe that you are in a position to shed some light on DT-related drama and antics.
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I spoke with someone close to Destructoid's dealings and my understanding is the DT is a non-business oriented blog that sprung out of a passion for gaming / geekery back in the early days when there was a smaller core group of people reporting on all things nerd way back when.

The difference between DT and other blogs, as I understand it, is that they were never interested in making it big. It was apparently genuinely a labor of love that never made money and didn't even have any offices. Apparently the entire thing was and is still run in an extremely casual manner.

Jonathan Holmes has indeed been very friendly with me in the past, and in fact was one of those early SJW types who always seemed to follow and comment on women and trans folk more often than others to a point it creeped me out since he always seemed to have an interest in my work, even when my work was clearly shit. I kept going back and forth in my online friendship with him because I was still feeling very insecure with my place in the gaming scene and he seemed to always have very nice things to say about my work, even when I was losing my mind and being a real shitlord.

The thing is, he never followed through on his support (for instance saying forever he was going to get me on Sup Holmes but never committing), and he always had a million excuses why.

He was also incredibly passive aggressive in regards to stuff related to gamergate and the more I saw him support some plainly awful people, and constantly play dumb about a lot of things, I just got fed up and he's now on my list of people to avoid in the industry.

I really feel like him and DT really fall into that clique of gaming where it's very much "I'm going to support these people so that I look / feel like a good person." rather than supporting people based on genuine creative merit (of course that's subjective... but I think you know what I mean).

Other than that, I honestly don't know much about DT other than all the research I did on the history of Jim Sterling, which of course included some time being a part of DT.

Oh, and the source of mine close to Destructoid was a dude who, at the beginning of gamergate, suggested I contact Ben Kuchera to tell him my story as a trans woman (when I was still identifying as such) in the gaming industry. I actually decided to give it a shot, and Ben was ready to setup an interview with me until he found out I was supporting gamergate, and then he mysteriously declined the interview.

I was pretty pissed off at that point.... that was pretty much the final straw for me dealing with hypocrites in the industry and what really drove me into the arms of gamergate. The funny thing about it, I never even mentioned that "friend" of mine at Destructoid who suggested I talk to Ben, but when he saw me ranting about how awful Ben was on twitter, this dude started attacking me saying it was so rude of me to be upset.

I'm pretty sure this is also the same guy (among MANY other people I talked to back in the day) who were close to Phil Fish and felt nothing but sympathy for him, playing up this story that Phil didn't have any money and was ruined or some bullshit.

Thinking back to those early days I was in the indie scene just makes me tired. I'm glad to be away from all of it now.

[ edit ] But yeah, I wouldn't take anything that happens in DT seriously ever. They don't really pay anyone. Holmes has said time and time again they are not a journalism oriented site, and it seems pretty clear to me if you spend anytime really reading up on the history of DT or looking at their articles, the entire place is just a really poorly run blog that has a big name because it's been around forever.
 
That was a very interesting response, thank you for that. I'm surprised that I've asked you DT-related questions yet I didn't ask anything about Anthony Burch... based on your answer to my previous question I'm assuming that you're probably not familiar with him and can't tell us any amusing ancedotes involving him, but if you do please share! On to a different subject... What can you tell us about Porpentine? Those of you who wish to acquaint themselves with her body work can see it here. Have you ever gotten to know her during your time in the indie scene? If so what can you tell us about her? According to one person, supposedly relying on the testimony of indie dev Anna Anthropy and others, Porpentine has been a very bad girl...

When someone asked Anna why she didn't associate with Porpentine, she gave an honest answer as to why. The fact of the matter is that whether or not you want to believe it, Porpentine has hurt people. She's been verbally abusive to tons of people. She doesn't respect emotional boundaries.
When Anna gave that answer, a couple people came forward about this stuff. Details were kept scarce, because people were still afraid, because when someone has hurt or especially if they've abused you, you are afraid. You're afraid you won't be believed, that you're feelings will be invalidated, or that people will think, "That's not bad enough to count."
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Porpentine on the other hand claims that she was her self a victim of abuse and exclusion in the indie scene (or at least in some parts of it). What's your take? And speaking of game devs who tend to get wrapped up in drama... you did mention Phil Fish in your previous post. Anything to say about the guy?
 
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