🐱 Paganism, gods and goddesses aside, is the most LGBTQ-affirming faith in the US

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When the U.S. Supreme Court was hearing the Obergefell v. Hodges case that eventually made marriage equality a reality across the nation, pagans held rituals on the high court’s steps in Washington.
Led by Firefly House, a local witchcraft community, these public rites called forth the “spirit of justice and revolution” and attracted pagans from around the country. When the decision was finally handed down, the community celebrated.
In a recent political profile study, Kathleen Marchetti, an associate professor of political science at Dickinson College, reported that likely 93% of American pagans agree with policies supporting LGBTQ rights, a larger share than the 69% of non-pagans who do. According to a March 2021 PRRI report, the pagan community collectively shows the highest support for LGBTQ individuals of any religious group. The next closest are white mainline Protestants at 82%, followed by Hispanic Catholics at 81%, according to PRRI.


Marchetti went so far as to say that support for LGBTQ+ rights was connected to “Pagan religious identity.”
“That sounds about right,” said David Salisbury, a pagan author and LGBTQ+ advocate. “Pagans have always been seen as outliers and oddballs,” which accounts for the level of “empathy expressed,” he said.
“In the 1990s, it was adults creating these spaces and beginning the narratives on these topics. They invited young people to participate,” Salisbury explained. “The pendulum has swung in the opposite direction. Today, the youth are taking charge, especially in online spaces.”
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Brianne Raven Wolf, a pagan trans woman and leader of an annual Trans Day of Remembrance ritual, said that when she first openly joined the pagan community, she was “blown away at how accepting it was.”
“When they invite you to sit around the campfire and drink mead, that to me is accepting.”
Some pagan groups have introduced what Salisbury called “queer mythology” into their practice, incorporating deities, such as the Greek god Dionysus, traditionally accepted as queer. In some instances, mythologies and practices that skew toward a heterosexual understanding of sexuality and the world, such as Wiccan god and goddess myths, have been reinterpreted.


These details are crucial to Salisbury’s own religious practice, he said. “Paganism is so experiential that I need to see myself within the spirituality that I’m practicing.”
Clio Ajana, a pagan leader in Minnesota, explained how her group, House of Our Lady of Celestial Fire, known as E.O.C.T.O, has been “a queer haven” since its 1998 founding. “We have always focused on our queer ancestors/ancients, deities, and facilitating those (members) in coming out — especially those who are trans and younger pagans who are just searching.”
Another queer-focused group, the Minoan Brotherhood, calls itself on its website an “initiatory tradition of the Craft celebrating Life, Men Loving Men, and Magic.”


But even pagan groups that aren’t centered on queer practice increasingly make room for LGBTQ people and conversations. Brianne Raven Wolf, a pagan trans woman and leader, said that she has seen more “nonbinary rituals” at pagan events and a growing willingness to talk about diversity and inclusion.
While LGBTQ pagans feel comfortable inside the community, they often feel threatened outside it. Raven Wolf is no longer out as a trans woman or pagan in her local community in western New York state. It is too dangerous. “There is escalating violence. We have to protect our lives,” she said.
And some admit that hostility is not completely absent from the pagan community, despite the high percentage of support.


Lasara Firefox, a nonbinary pagan, told Religion News Service in March that, while there is a “baseline of acceptance in certain sectors of the community,” execution “often doesn’t equal ideals.”
Both Salisbury and Raven Wolf reiterated that the pagan community is still a “reflection of society as a whole.” While rare, problems do arise within some circles and at community events that can leave queer pagans, particularly those in the trans community, feeling isolated, disconnected and even unwelcome. Raven Wolf said the recent political debate over transgender rights has also affected people’s attitudes. She cites the more than 80 anti-transgender state bills proposed just this year. “There is (also) a lot of misinformation online.”
Ajana has also seen the disconnect between ideals and execution, saying that she is “seen as ‘other’ in many spaces.” However, this is not because she is queer but because she is Black. “I can’t separate from my skin color; I have had negative experiences from colorism … first, rather than as a queer person of color.”


Ajana believes that visual representation is one of the biggest problems for queer people of color in the community. If you google pagan, the images will be “overwhelmingly white, mostly female and younger.”
“Queer identification is an invisible minority” within that representation. If you google “queer Pagan” she pointed out, you are likely to see mostly white, male authors.
“More consistent visibility equals the slow erasure of feeling invisible within the larger community,” she said. This includes more published works, events at conferences and asking someone’s identity when they register for an event.
However, Ajana, like Raven Wolf, sees reason for hope. “My earliest experiences in the community were very heteronormative; I saw few queer pagans, let alone pagans of color. Now, 17 years later, I am able to find other queer pagans more easily, in part by being visible and making it clear that I am a) queer and b) a queer POC.”
 
Pagans are just edgy atheists trying to piss mom and dad off more for making them take one hour out of their day to go to church once a week.
 
well that's an entire topic that the article author didn't check up on.

tldr, check up Summer/Winter Solstice festivals, Saturnalia, and whatnot.
Heard it, doesn't make sense. The reason why Christmas is celebrated around the winter solstice is because it's set nine months after the date of the Annunciation, and it's historically strictly meant as a special liturgy day to celebrate the birth of Christ. As for the summer solstice, it's apparently the saint day for John the Baptist, but given how many saint days there are it's functionally an arbitrary designation.
 
Heard it, doesn't make sense. The reason why Christmas is celebrated around the winter solstice is because it's set nine months after the date of the Annunciation, and it's historically strictly meant as a special liturgy day to celebrate the birth of Christ. As for the summer solstice, it's apparently the saint day for John the Baptist, but given how many saint days there are it's functionally an arbitrary designation.
there's a lot of tenuous sorta-maybe-connections of older pagan traditions and Christian holidays or traditions.

Iirc, Halloween is an entirely complicated thing that sorta turned into a commercialized thing.


kinda funny how every paganism article that shows up in this subforum just seems to have no real info and is masturbatory.
 
This is all meant as a big fuck to you conservative christianity, nothing more, nothing less.

Its pathetic really, you gotta make up your own Gods to try to own the one already established.
 
This is all meant as a big fuck to you conservative christianity, nothing more, nothing less.

Its pathetic really, you gotta make up your own Gods to try to own the one already established.
Doesn't help that if the pagans of old didn't give up their religion for Christianity at the business end of a sword or in order to do business better, they did so because their religion was dead and gay.
 
Not entirely. A lot of Christian traditions associated with things like Easter and Christmas have many pagan aspects to them. Examples of this include Yule, which later turned into the German tradition of having Christmas trees inside the home during Christmas.

Halloween is also celebrated, and that is based a lot off of traditional Irish Celtic beliefs. When efforts to Christianize Ireland were made, they didn’t get rid of Halloween, but changed the meaning of it and added All Saints Day the day after.

People still have some pagan influences in their lives even if they are Christians. It is in this way that I think it never truly left, we just changed the meanings behind these celebrations.
I heard that Easter had some connections to Zoroastrianism. Not sure if it’s true, but I find it fascinating.

I would argue just because there are influences it doesn’t make it pagan. Would pagans, if given a time machine, consider any of these holidays the same as their own or would they consider it sacrilege? It’d be like arguing that SJWs from the north east are actually puritans because much of their current thought process has puritanical roots.

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The term pagan is something I dislike because it’s too broad. There’s a significant difference depending on the time, era, and region. Some would react quite harshly to modern day religious practices while others wouldn’t give a damn. Quite a few would have a world view more akin to the Old Testament than even modern day “pagans.”
 
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Well, Christmas tree decorations have most likely evolved from the hanging sacrifices originally given to Odin at the celebrations of winter solstice.
Christmas trees aren't theology.

Name "Easter" has evolved from "Ostara", the goddess of spring and fertility etc.
Not only is that false, but in every language that isn't English, "Easter" is referred to by some transliteration of "Pesach", which is Passover.
 
Christmas trees aren't theology.


Not only is that false, but in every language that isn't English, "Easter" is referred to by some transliteration of "Pesach", which is Passover.

From the link you gave: "apparently from Ēastre, Ēostre (“Anglo-Saxon goddess (of the dawn?) whose festival was celebrated around the vernal equinox”), from Proto-Germanic *Austrǭ (“Anglo-Saxon goddess; Easter; springtime”),"

It doesn't surprise me that you don't comprehend what you read, nor that you lack general education to know that Ostara is the same entity as Eostre. And Christmas trees might not nowadays be theology, but they used to be before christian era.
 
Paganism is not. Paganism is - at it's core - a faith of energy, and of the fundamentals of the world and your place in it. There is no place for anything like LGBTQIFAGGOT in paganism.

What the article talks about is hippie LARP'ing.
 
From the link you gave: "apparently from Ēastre, Ēostre (“Anglo-Saxon goddess (of the dawn?) whose festival was celebrated around the vernal equinox”), from Proto-Germanic *Austrǭ (“Anglo-Saxon goddess; Easter; springtime”),"

It doesn't surprise me that you don't comprehend what you read,
You should do more research before condescending.

By way of the Germanic month bearing her name (Northumbrian: Ēosturmōnaþ; West Saxon: Ēastermōnaþ; Old High German: Ôstarmânoth), she is the namesake of the festival of Easter in some languages.
To be doubly clear, this month was the month that Easter generally fell in.

And, of course, in most other languages, they have a transliteration of the Greek "Pascha", which itself is a transliteration of the Hebrew "Pesach", so this point is completely irrelevant even without taking into account that this has no theological bearing and indicates nothing of value.

And Christmas trees might not nowadays be theology, but they used to be before christian era.
Who gives a shit? The point is that they're not Christian theology and they're not implicated in liturgy, so there's no point in talking about it as a "pagan influence".

Nothing about Christianity hinges on fir trees. Jesus wasn't hung on a spruce. Paul didn't have his eyes rubbed with pine leaves on the road to Damascus.
 
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From the link you gave: "apparently from Ēastre, Ēostre (“Anglo-Saxon goddess (of the dawn?) whose festival was celebrated around the vernal equinox”), from Proto-Germanic *Austrǭ (“Anglo-Saxon goddess; Easter; springtime”),"

It doesn't surprise me that you don't comprehend what you read, nor that you lack general education to know that Ostara is the same entity as Eostre. And Christmas trees might not nowadays be theology, but they used to be before christian era.
You sound Mad At The Internet.
 
To be doubly clear, this month was the month that Easter generally fell in.


Yes, and that's why it's still called Easter, like I said before. I have hard time believing that I'm seriously having a conversation where someone claims that christianity didn't incorporate/assimilate pagan festivals, but whatever.
 
Yes, and that's why it's still called Easter
In only a few languages... to speak less of what I already said.

I have hard time believing that I'm seriously having a conversation where someone claims that christianity didn't incorporate/assimilate pagan festivals, but whatever.
You have a hard time believing it because your knowledge of Christianity is a series of Facebook memes as opposed to actual history.
 
Imagine living your life around "affirmation". Not only do they force doctors to affirm their madness, and the rest of society, but even religion must affirm their faggotry. You hear a lot about White and male fragility, but never fag fragility.

Fagility, if you will...
 
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