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SSF2T Old User said:
To be fair, DSP at least has played Street Fighter 2 to the point he won (I think it was 4th place), and was one of the top tier americans to do it. GRANTED, that version was buggy as FUCK, but it's a major step forward from what this leffen faggot "tried" and ultimately failed at.

So in a sense, smash players are one (or more) levels BELOW DSP. That says ALOT
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DSP played a broken port of SF2 which other players refused to play in protest. He used a character which is known to have an infinite combo on that version to exploit the game in his favor and still only placed fourth. He calls himself the "top SF2 player in America" because he was the highest placed American in that tourney.

Don't give him too much credit.
 
YachieKicchou said:
Smash is a bizarrely clunky game that needs exploits to "feel good". They've been playing it in an unintentional way ever since it came out. They have to strip out all of the fun stuff to make it competitively viable. Tons of maps, but only final destination. All these items, but you don't get to use them.

You cannot play fighting games on WiFi. It's generally considered a bad idea. On PC, when you go on Discord, people won't play with you if you're on Wifi. Games include Wifi indicators to tell you when you're playing against someone on Wifi. The Switch doesn't even have a native ethernet port.
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The entire reason the "competitive" scene only plays Melee is because it's the one that never got all the bullshit patched out of it.
 
SSF2T Old User said:
To be fair, DSP at least has played Street Fighter 2 to the point he won (I think it was 4th place), and was one of the top tier americans to do it. GRANTED, that version was buggy as FUCK, but it's a major step forward from what this leffen faggot "tried" and ultimately failed at.

So in a sense, smash players are one (or more) levels BELOW DSP. That says ALOT
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I don't know a lot about Leffen but I'll give him credit for hosting Levo and giving Strive a platform. Hosting a proper tournament with a lot of big names is something, even if you're a smashie dipshit.

He seems like the kind of guy whose a fucking idiot unless you can have someone with him that prevents him from saying stupid shit.
 
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Smash players stop projecting for 5 seconds challenge
 
Game master arino said:
smash bros is boring. there are like 500 characters and all you do is throw each other around the map. Most characters seem to have the same movesets as everyone else.
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That sounds more like the game not being your cup of tea than that being a legitimate problem. The movesets vary from character to character with less than half of them sharing the same moves (with some of them have subtle changes).
 
Nauseated Courgi said:
That sounds more like the game not being your cup of tea than that being a legitimate problem. The movesets vary from character to character with less than half of them sharing the same moves (with some of them have subtle changes).
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I'd imagine he means in a literal sense where a lot of characters have moves where you dunk the opponent by swinging your fist/weapon out in an arc or a lot of speeeeen moves, but that applies mostly to characters from 64-brawl really

That's why adding all these fighting game characters is kewl to see these crazy moves translated to smash
 
The only smash fans that deserve any respect are those that can do an input Shoryuken, even more so if they can do EWGF. Shoryuken motions don't give people the Hax$ cripple hands, and yet the excuse is "it's too hard." It's definitely not easy, but that's why you put in the work with practice mode to get the input motions correct. Do Shoryukens/Hadoukens 50 or more times on both sides to get it down if you must. I'm doing this with Kazuya's EWGF since that move has been, and still is, crucial to his gameplay for decades.

The FGC characters reward you for your execution of their moves since Smash has much simpler gameplay and it's possible to fumble the inputs (especially on a GC controller or pro controller). I get called a cheater and lame for doing too many "up-B" kills with these characters, but crippling your hands with Melee Fox shining is perfectly acceptable to these tards? If they're too lazy to learn an input motion and complain about how FGC characters kill them too fast, it's no wonder they don't get very far. All they know is to throw out disjointed sword attacks as a neutral and expect free wins. No basic fundamentals that the traditional 2D fighting game players had to learn to best win games.
 
Nova Prime said:
The only smash fans that deserve any respect are those that can do an input Shoryuken, even more so if they can do EWGF. Shoryuken motions don't give people the Hax$ cripple hands, and yet the excuse is "it's too hard." It's definitely not easy, but that's why you put in the work with practice mode to get the input motions correct. Do Shoryukens/Hadoukens 50 or more times on both sides to get it down if you must. I'm doing this with Kazuya's EWGF since that move has been, and still is, crucial to his gameplay for decades.

The FGC characters reward you for your execution of their moves since Smash has much simpler gameplay and it's possible to fumble the inputs (especially on a GC controller or pro controller). I get called a cheater and lame for doing too many "up-B" kills with these characters, but crippling your hands with Melee Fox shining is perfectly acceptable to these tards? If they're too lazy to learn an input motion and complain about how FGC characters kill them too fast, it's no wonder they don't get very far. All they know is to throw out disjointed sword attacks as a neutral and expect free wins. No basic fundamentals that the traditional 2D fighting game players had to learn to best win games.
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Most of them don't play or care about traditional fighting games which is why they stick to smash. Any smashfag who complains about input commands and whines about how the FGC looks down on them deserves to be mocked as usual. Not to mention that smash is much more lenient when it comes to the input window for the commands.
 
YachieKicchou said:
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Dragon rush - two button press, can be macro'd to be one to another button. Just a universal "throw"
Superdash - see above, though this mechanic has had contention for a while
Kiblast - literally one button with special inputs for other variations or moves
Sparking - literally just press Light, Medium, heavy, and Ki Blast. It's just Marvel 3 X-Factor
6M - holding forward and pressing Medium attack for an instant overhead to punish blocking low. Careful, I heard in Street Fighter 3 you have to press both Medium attacks!
2H - Launcher to extend and create higher combos. Skullgirls, Marvel, and even some characters in certain Street Fighter games have a launcher.

I knew Leffen has been a whiny little shitbag when it comes to fighting games and he's actually bad outside of smash but to call Dragon Ball FighterZ over designed when the game is not only one of the best games to get into as a beginner due to how freeform and forgiving it is may just be the DUMBEST thing he's said in a long time.
 
Slamerella said:
I knew Leffen has been a whiny little shitbag when it comes to fighting games and he's actually bad outside of smash but to call Dragon Ball FighterZ over designed when the game is not only one of the best games to get into as a beginner due to how freeform and forgiving it is may just be the DUMBEST thing he's said in a long time.
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To a Smash player, everything that doesn't require a single button to execute is "over designed."
Look at the masses whining about command inputs that are COMPLETELY OPTIONAL on characters in their game.

You could drop a Smash player into something as boiled down and simple as Super fucking Turbo and they'd be like "WHAAAT? I'M SUPPOSED TO DO T W O QUARTER CIRCLES FOR MY SUPER? THAT'S SOOOO UNNECESSARY!!" and then go back to a game that literally damages your hands to play.
 
Zulu Warrior said:
To a Smash player, everything that doesn't require a single button to execute is "over designed."
Look at the masses whining about command inputs that are COMPLETELY OPTIONAL on characters in their game.

You could drop a Smash player into something as boiled down and simple as Super fucking Turbo and they'd be like "WHAAAT? I'M SUPPOSED TO DO T W O QUARTER CIRCLES FOR MY SUPER? THAT'S SOOOO UNNECESSARY!!" and then go back to a game that literally damages your hands to play.
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Smash players are an absolute anomaly.
 
Why is it that anytime someone comes out with a statement about something in the Smash community, it always seems half-assed.
This dude had a whole year to come out with a statement about the rape allegations put on him, and he can't even upload a video that plays out of both audio channels.

Just like the rest of them, he just goes on camera looking like he just got out of bed and reads his statement in an extremely monotone voice.
 
Zulu Warrior said:
Why is it that anytime someone comes out with a statement about something in the Smash community, it always seems half-assed.
This dude had a whole year to come out with a statement about the rape allegations put on him, and he can't even upload a video that plays out of both audio channels.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AYppIgN5P4o
Just like the rest of them, he just goes on camera looking like he just got out of bed and reads his statement in an extremely monotone voice.
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Saying nothing is probably better than this. Half-assed apologies delivered months later just revive the allegations and give them new legs.
 
Extremegamer94 said:
Emplemon made a video on nintendo weeks ago thoughts?https://youtu.be/xgKY9hmbfgo
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Aside from the fact that it only talked a bit about smash (considering this is a smash thread), he's got a point and I agree with him. Nintendo should not be exempt from criticism over their stupid asinine decisions, and it's a shame we've gotten to this point with them as a company where they can get away with some VERY questionable things.

The fact that their online service is being charged rather than it being free like it was on the Wii and WiiU is the very sole reason why I refuse to get a Switch.
 
SSF2T Old User said:
Aside from the fact that it only talked a bit about smash (considering this is a smash thread), he's got a point and I agree with him. Nintendo should not be exempt from criticism over their stupid asinine decisions, and it's a shame we've gotten to this point with them as a company where they can get away with some VERY questionable things.

The fact that their online service is being charged rather than it being free like it was on the Wii and WiiU is the very sole reason why I refuse to get a Switch.
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His complaints about slippy, "fan games", and emulation are unfair as he paints it as Nintendo did something completely wrong and not a requirement under trademark/copyright to uphold their bottom line and licenses. (Don't forget Marvel still pumps comics at a loss to maintain copyright for their movies, so its standard stuff with these laws)

He also compares a dead game (Melee is for the gamecube, a console discontinued in 2007) to current games/esports (Fortnite, COD, Apex) and wonders why Nintendo doesn't support it, when Nintendo has a current smash esports called Ultimate. Again, the tourney advertised an emulated copy, infringing copyright/trademark, and the laws require action. AM2R and Pokemon Uranium are not licensed games and trademark protections require activity from the trademark holder.

The online service is not Nintendo exclusive and all modern console do it because console players are retarded and pay for the privilege of using their own internet.

Nintendo actually makes money supporting Ultimate and not Melee. Melee is literally a bad fighting game, its a party fighting game for kids, with all "top-tier" mechanics being glitches that get banned later on (Wombling, Ice Climbers Freeze, Stalling, Rising Pound) and also bans most of the content (Items/maps), not to mention the calls for banning a playable character (Jigglypuff) since she can abuse the game and Hungrybox fucks everyone with it.

The video is bad faith and makes you agree with him if you don't understand any of nintendo's decision or economical purpose. There is 0 reason to monetary support a buggy game that you don't sell when you have a current best seller bringing you both game and console sales. This also ignores the constant amount of pedo accusations that come from the smash community, with Melee being the biggest offender.

EDIT: The additional framing of Nintendo being against the Etika controller, which were literally some guy selling knockoff controller shells with the Nintendo logo on it. Shocking that I can't sell IPhone cases with the Apple logo on it and not get the same thing from Apple, almost as if brand logos mean something. Not to mention the guy was profiting off of it (not relevant to Nintendo, but funny in regards to everyone defending the "charity"). This video is just giving headlines of websites and painting a narrative, not at all a factual or argumentative take on why Nintendo is bad and has fanboys that defend them to hell and back.

Second Edit: He also compares buggy game releases to Nintendo shutting down Controller Shells and preventing advertisement of Emulated games. He compares China TF2 knock-off to AM2R and Pokemon Uranium, where China doesn't care about copyright law unlike the rest of the world. Also, Sakurai must like Project M and Melee and not his current Smash Ultimate, or else he's evil. He can't realize that Nintendo fans like Ultimate and not Melee, because they just don't want to play buggy-competitive game. The video is literally someone complaining because Nintendo doesn't care about his favorite game, and he even admits that he only cares about Melee. People telling him they don't care about Melee is somehow proof that Nintendo fans are sheep, instead of them enjoying the new content in Ultimate.
 
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