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The discussion on CAIS is interesting. I think something to keep in mind is that even if you do make an exception for an individual with CAIS, loony troons like Stefonknee Wolscht, Kevin Gibes, ADF, Blaire White, and Jonathan Yaniv are NOT individuals with CAIS. Some people having CAIS doesn't make wierd men women.
 
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Trousers eh, and you cease to be a woman. The Oli London timeline is a goldmine of contradictory bullshit.
 
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The discussion on CAIS is interesting. I think something to keep in mind is that even if you do make an exception for an individual with CAIS, loony troons like Stefonknee Wolscht, Kevin Gibes, ADF, Blaire White, and Jonathan Yaniv are NOT individuals with CAIS. Some people having CAIS doesn't make wierd men women.
When it comes to intersex conditions that make somebody male appear female and vice versa, I think people with them should be able to move through life as the sex they appear as. For some reason, pro-trans people behave as if GCs or TERFs think individuals with CAIS should wear ‘I AM MALE’ badges at all times lest somebody mistakes them for females.
 
We are probably talking about HSTS sex workers who have not even had SRS and are getting HIV through good old-fashioned anal.

As for 'who the hell is fucking them', a lot of HSTS physically pass reasonably well, and are willing to offer a back hole for a low price, and that is enough for a lot of men. Unfortunately it is the same type of men who are likely to be riddled with STDs and not very careful about condom usage.
funny you say this. on youtube i started gettng commercials for Biktarvy, one of those HIV drugs. i never used to get this shit, prob comes from watching Benjamin Boyce and other 'gender bloggers' mentioned here, clicking on the Wi Spa riot footage, etc.
next thing you know, my old metal videos have gay commercials. trans women (not men) are in all of them, so i figured that is who they are marketing it to.

notice how the big Latina troon (D'Eva) just steals the karaoke mic away from the cis girls at 14 seconds.
my wife is the one who pointed that out to me, now i can't -not- see it.
 
All this talk of "defining" man and woman but you don't need to have a list of criteria. (stealing this from someone who posted it a while ago) I see a dog, I point at the dog, I say "this is a dog." I see a man, I say "that's a man." Easy as pie, guys.
The reason many of us are caught up with this is because it is a common MtF talking point to say "I bet you can't even define 'woman' in a way that excludes trans women without also excluding infertile women!" and it is good to have an answer to that.


I think socially we can continue consider males with CAIS intersex condition women do practical reasons but they are still males even if the sex discovery happens later in life. They actually have working male hormone production do having testes, those hormones just can't masculine them do wrong cell response. Because that testosterone doesn't get used the hormone eventually aromatases into estrogen witch explains why they get some but not all female puberty signs. By the way those testes still produce spermcells, they just don't mature past first stage. They really are male, with messed up hormones and this reality affects them especially medical sense.
I think a layperson (not medical textbook) definition that excludes people raised as girls who have vulvas and who often go through female puberty (just without periods) and often have vaginas of normal depth is getting a little pedantic.

I mentioned it earlier in the thread but there is at least one woman with CAIS who has given birth to children with her own womb (although it required hormones and donor eggs)
 
Trousers eh, and you cease to be a woman. The Oli London timeline is a goldmine of contradictory bullshit.
Archive photo of two masculine men, shortly before entering the men's only section of a Korean jjimjilbang:

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Oli London is hitting every single note a troll transracial post would make, right down to making a special trans-Korean pride flag, but yet his commitment to it means he can't be dismissed as a troll. I wonder if he thinks if being trans-Korean is valid, he seems too self aware for that. It's great to see though, because it's once again short-circuiting that "Well that would never happen" defence.
 
I was just hit with the realization that there are going to be a metric fuckton of very embarrassed middle-aged men on the horizon. Instead of shameful haircuts or outfits of the past, it will literally be shameful identities. Hahahaha
 
Troons not buying things, just waltzing around taking validating selfies and going to the wrong bathroom, is a problem for businesses.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but this seems to imply that I'm saying it's a business problem first and a problem for us (women) second. Obviously the issues of the latter (again, a group I belong to) are more important than the raw profit of these asshole woke businesses. What I'm pointing out with that comment is that even the most cutthroat capitalist is sure to lose in the "who cares, troons will pay" strategy.
 
It's all fun, games, and 'acceptance and diversity' until it's your hobby. It's fun to defend what you view as an oppressed minority until they're the one pushing oppression on you. Trannies aren't interested in ending any kind of oppression, they're just interested on flipping it around.

A lot of these people don't remember what the internet was like before all this kicked off. And the parts of the internet that go 'uncolonized', they're too afraid of. There's no real frame of reference.

I strongly agree with this; trannies are a virus, once they infect a community, a hobby, etc, they have this uncanny ability to make it about themselves, part of the exhibitionism common to all of them - I maintain there is no such thing as a troon that 'just wants to live their life'.
 
The discussion on CAIS is interesting. I think something to keep in mind is that even if you do make an exception for an individual with CAIS, loony troons like Stefonknee Wolscht, Kevin Gibes, ADF, Blaire White, and Jonathan Yaniv are NOT individuals with CAIS. Some people having CAIS doesn't make wierd men women.
We are also talking about thousands and thousands of years of tradition. Woman is a social category for people born with a vagina and not a penis. Women with CAIS don't even have ambiguous genitalia, they have completely normal-appearing vulvas with a vagina. Retroactively changing the definition of the word because of chromosomes doesn't make as much sense as keeping the traditional common-sense definition. It also neatly destroys all the troon related intersex arguments. Once you wade into the muck arguing chromosomes, the proper frame for this debate is already lost because why are we discussing intersex if the conversation is men with normal XY trooning out and creeping on women? Intersex isn't troonism. Women are people born with vulvas/vaginas. People born with penises are men. And troons don't get to use intersex people as wedges.

For other intersex conditions that do have ambiguous genitalia, that can be sorted out on a case by case basis but that has nothing to do with troons.
 
I think a layperson (not medical textbook) definition that excludes people raised as girls who have vulvas and who often go through female puberty (just without periods) and often have vaginas of normal depth is getting a little pedantic.

I mentioned it earlier in the thread but there is at least one woman with CAIS who has given birth to children with her own womb (although it required hormones and donor eggs)
I do kind of doubt that someone with CAIS alone would be able to get pregnant because, as far as I know, they do not have uteruses. The vagina just lead to a dead end. So it's likely that the person also has a different genetic mutation/condition that isn't just CAIS alone - I'm not sure when the case is happened but at the time there were probably less comprehensive tool to check intersex disorders and one may get misdiagnosed. There's a case where someone with XY chromosome who has a complete set of female reproductive organs, and could produce egg. This is not CAIS.. but I'm willing to say this is female, in practical sense.

When it comes to Androgen Insensitivity syndrome. I personally see them as truly male due to internal testes, even if I'm not going to know if I see one in real life. Their self conception tend to be different in each person to. (They do have some differences in bone development and body proportions compared to normal females. And some advantages in sports, but that's getting pedantic...)

In current societal organisation level, it's probably more practical to say that they're 'women'. But to say that we need to stick to this because it's a tradition is stupid. We don't think that God created thunder anymore, or there are 4 humours in our bodies that caused illnesses. The knowledge of humanity changes. In the true GC sense, I'd just say that they're 'what they are', basically just their physical being unfiltered by categories and definition and gender identity shouldn't matter. There exists the physical reality beyond human language.
 
The reason many of us are caught up with this is because it is a common MtF talking point to say "I bet you can't even define 'woman' in a way that excludes trans women without also excluding infertile women!" and it is good to have an answer to that.
I would rather not play their gay little game where they can always move the goalposts.
 
It's just sad how a 27 year old man went from having a gf with conservative Christian family that he could've married and procreated with, but he was lost to the AGP and is now "bisexual". Ranting_Tran 's gf has officially broken up with him.

I'm happy for his ex gf, she dodged a bullet.
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He tweeted a week ago... troons love this image for some reason (warning: islamic content)
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His Asian parents are disappointed.
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Starting to selfie post for some attention and "omg look how far I've come". How long until he starts aching like your run of the mill twitter tranny?
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Dude, you look the same, just with long hair but ok. I'm starting to think estrogen works as a placebo. Hormones impacts mood greatly and he might feel different but he looks the same. Well, good luck with your surgeries.

https://twitter.com/Ranting_Trans

Some more degeneracy I stumbled upon
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This guy is a massive chaser and he does pencil drawings of troons' porn pictures and he replies to them with the drawing. I'm not going to post them because they make me physically ill but here's his twitter. https://twitter.com/BiLewd/media

Anyway, I went though his likes and he likes a bunch of porn accounts (shocking). But then I encountered some uncanney valley shit. The amount of filters being used by trannies is insane. Idk if it has been discussed before on here but the Chinese AI filters that changes facial structures and body shape is being milked to get money and clout off of coomers.

This account with almost 250K followers has some convincing pictures and videos but I noticed he (or whatever it is) barely moves in his videos:

https://twitter.com/ArianaAngelsxo/status/1273014278409326598?s=20
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It's heavily shopped

I do kind of doubt that someone with CAIS alone would be able to get pregnant because, as far as I know, they do not have uteruses. The vagina just lead to a dead end. So it's likely that the person also has a different genetic mutation/condition that isn't just CAIS alone - I'm not sure when the case is happened but at the time there were probably less comprehensive tool to check intersex disorders and one may get misdiagnosed. There's a case where someone with XY chromosome who has a complete set of female reproductive organs, and could produce egg. This is not CAIS.. but I'm willing to say this is female, in practical sense.

When it comes to Androgen Insensitivity syndrome. I personally see them as truly male due to internal testes, even if I'm not going to know if I see one in real life. Their self conception tend to be different in each person to. (They do have some differences in bone development and body proportions compared to normal females. And some advantages in sports, but that's getting pedantic...)

In current societal organisation level, it's probably more practical to say that they're 'women'. But to say that we need to stick to this because it's a tradition is stupid. We don't think that God created thunder anymore, or there are 4 humours in our bodies that caused illnesses. The knowledge of humanity changes. In the true GC sense, I'd just say that they're 'what they are', basically just their physical being unfiltered by categories and definition and gender identity shouldn't matter. There exists the physical reality beyond human language.

Agree, it's a lie. People with CAIS and PAIS have genes that encode for male gonads only. Period.
 
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I do kind of doubt that someone with CAIS alone would be able to get pregnant because, as far as I know, they do not have uteruses.
If you had bothered to click on the link you would not have had to write this paragraph.

Agree, it's a lie. People with CAIS and PAIS have genes that encode for male gonads only. Period.
Yes, the story with the person who did multiple news interviews showing off her newborn twins is a all 'lie' created entirely to deceive the 1.5% of the population who know what AIS is.


 
Sounds like a man too. I've met plenty of women over 6 foot who still sound and look like actual women just tall. In fact. his torso is too long to be a damn woman. Forget about all the other obvious signs like face, forehead, hands, and walk. He sounds like what would happen if you kicked Kermit the Frog in the balls.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y9zUuatKS2M
No one has gone into what a massive dick move it is for Stephanie Barrett to attempt to go stealth while competing as an archer. Not just competing against natal women, but giving smug interviews saying 'oh, I just picked up archery for fun when I was 37, and I just happened to be better than everyone else, tee hee, golly gosh.' What must a female archer feel like reading that and not knowing that Stephanie is trans?

But again, who cares about the feelings and dreams of women when there is a middle-aged white man who needs validation?
 
The reason many of us are caught up with this is because it is a common MtF talking point to say "I bet you can't even define 'woman' in a way that excludes trans women without also excluding infertile women!" and it is good to have an answer to that.
Adult human female.

Adult= Fully grown
Human= Of the species homo sapien
Female= Belonging to the sex class with the ability to produce large gametes

Not every female can produce eggs, but only females produce eggs. Not every female can menstruate, but only females menstruate. Not every female can get pregnant, but only females get pregnant.
 
If you had bothered to click on the link you would not have had to write this paragraph.


Yes, the story with the person who did multiple news interviews showing off her newborn twins is a all 'lie' created entirely to deceive the 1.5% of the population who know what AIS is.


I have never come across any journal or articles which confirm this. I don't believe crap on talk shows.
 
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