Culture Macron warns ‘racialised’ woke culture may split French society - He fears LePen

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Source is SMH but they're sourcing the article from the The Telegraph (UK): https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...may-split-french-society-20210702-p5865i.html

Paris: Emmanuel Macron has warned against the dangers of US-style woke culture, saying the debate in France was becoming increasingly divided along racial lines.

The French President said creeping racial and identity politics risked “fracturing” the foundations of French society.

“I see that our society is becoming progressively racialised,”
he told Elle magazine.

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For universalism: President Emmanuel Macron is protective of French culture.CREDIT:AP

In particular, he took aim at “intersectionality”, a notion popular in American academia that examines discrimination and poverty through the lens of social and political identities, such as race and gender.

“The logic of intersectionality fractures everything,”
Macron said.

“I stand for universalism. I don’t agree with a fight that reduces everyone to their identity or their particularity. Social difficulties are not only explained by gender and the colour of your skin, but also by social inequalities.”


The centrist 43-year-old, who is expected to run for re-election next year, added he could think of young white men in his home town of Amiens or nearby Saint-Quentin in northern France “who also have immense difficulties, for different reasons, in finding a job”.

Compiling racial statistics is illegal in France, which is scarred by wartime ethnic profiling and is officially colour-blind. To many scholars on race, however, this is part of a long history of denial over discrimination.

Inspired by Black Lives Matter, the country has seen a string of protests denouncing racism over the past year, notably where it has been linked to cases of police brutality, and the legacy of its colonial past.

Critics, however, have warned against importing woke culture from the Anglo-Saxon world, arguing that an obsession with race and the past traps minorities and women into seeing themselves as victims of oppression and discrimination.


Elisabeth Moreno, a black junior minister for gender equality and diversity in Macron’s government, recently criticised the threat of “cancel culture” and censorship in the name of political correctness.

“The woke culture is something very dangerous, and we shouldn’t bring it to France,”
she told Bloomberg.

“Everyone should fight discrimination. You can’t ask someone not to speak about a topic because the person doesn’t feel legitimate. It makes no sense.”
She added she refused to be seen as successful because of her gender or race, but for her accomplishments.

“French universalism means that we want to recognise people per se, not because they are women or LGBT+ or because they have a different ethnicity or whatever,”
she said.

It is not Macron’s first warning over the issue. In May he warned against judging the past with values of the present after historical figures, Napoleon Bonaparte included, were scrutinised in a global anti-racism reckoning.

Last June, he blamed universities for encouraging the “ethnicisation of the social question” - amounting to “splitting the republic in two”.

The Telegraph, London

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Maybe he's more emboldened to voice his opinions, maybe he's just trying to stop people from voting for LePen by adopting her points.​
 
“The logic of intersectionality fractures everything,” Macron said.
He isn't exactly wrong, but like all of these dopes in power, they fail to see that the ideology of multiculturalism is flawed from the outset and competing factions will organize down obvious lines, in this case racial background. The radical independent stuff that ran for the 80s-2ks is a dead ideology, you either sort yourself into some sort of ideological bloc or you get no power or influence at all.
 
He isn't exactly wrong, but like all of these dopes in power, they fail to see that the ideology of multiculturalism is flawed from the outset and competing factions will organize down obvious lines, in this case racial background. The radical independent stuff that ran for the 80s-2ks is a dead ideology, you either sort yourself into some sort of ideological bloc or you get no power or influence at all.
Theodore Roosevelt had it right; I paraphrase, but it went something like this: "You can't be Irish-American, you can't be African-American, you can't be Chinese-American. You are just American."
 
Theodore Roosevelt had it right; I paraphrase, but it went something like this: "You can't be Irish-American, you can't be African-American, you can't be Chinese-American. You are just American."
There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all ... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic ... There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.
 
He isn't exactly wrong, but like all of these dopes in power, they fail to see that the ideology of multiculturalism is flawed from the outset and competing factions will organize down obvious lines, in this case racial background. The radical independent stuff that ran for the 80s-2ks is a dead ideology, you either sort yourself into some sort of ideological bloc or you get no power or influence at all.
The problem is Americans, who started coming up with more ways to divide society and began exporting it via their soft power as a global cultural juggernaut.
 
If the French are stupid enough to fall for this and end up voting in Macron and his Macronies again, they deserve whatever they get from the result, assuming it's a fair election.
The problem is Americans, who started coming up with more ways to divide society and began exporting it via their soft power as a global cultural juggernaut.
Yes. Americans. Not the cancerous ivory-tower elite and their hellspawn who consider themselves American only when it's convenient to push their latest trendy political agenda to "keep up with the Joneses". 🙄
 
Yes. Americans. Not the cancerous ivory-tower elite and their hellspawn who consider themselves American only when it's convenient to push their latest trendy political agenda to "keep up with the Joneses". 🙄
The rest of the Anglosphere largely consumes American media, uses American websites, services, etc, so it's American culture they're absorbing and making their own.
 
The rest of the Anglosphere largely consumes American media, uses American websites, services, etc, so it's American culture they're absorbing and making their own.
Still, it's a bit laughable to act as if though it's americans spreading it rather than... well what I described. Americans in the general aren't making movies, media, websites, running corporations, etc. Saying americans like that implies Joe Smith the electrician and Jamal Jenkins the plumber approve of this shit just as much as Shlomo Silverblat the movie producer or Shaniqua the African-American Studies professor do.
 
Definitely gonna need to memorize the quote. It still applies to this day.
I think it’s fine to be proud or find interest in ones ancestry but one should put their national identity first and foremost.

This quote is poignant for me. I grew up in a military family and the truth of the matter is that there are Americans of all backgrounds and ethnicities.

What makes us American is our shared culture, work ethic, and goals. America is founded on the blood, sweat, and tears of Americans whose ancestors spanned across the entire globe. Not all of them came willingly. Some fled here as a respite from famines in the old war. Some were exiled as prisoners, sold having been prisoners of war, others were desperate farmers whose lands were taken, and would otherwise rot in the cess pits of London, Berlin, or the other capitals of the west. Many came with the hope of bettering their lot in life, fleeing the more rigid class stratification of the old war. America is America because it is supposed to be the land of opportunity. It was paid for in blood, sweat, and tears. Anyone incapable of understanding it is blind to the sacrifices and pains suffered by their forebears, who built this country.
 
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
On the plus side, so much current idpol, especially the spectacularly stupid critical theory bullshit, is very US centric and that will possibly be its eventual downfall. Its an ill-fit outside the US and maybe Canada because it takes zero account of other countries different histories and cultures, as a result there’s a good argument to be made that its just another form of US cultural imperialism. Unfortunately, it’ll probably just mean that other countries, especially those wealthy enough to have social science academics who’ll pump out any old crap to keep themselves relevant and in a comfy job, will just come up with their own, tailored spin, but it’ll be fun to watch the inevitable arguments it’ll cause.
 
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
On the plus side, so much current idpol, especially the spectacularly stupid critical theory bullshit, is very US centric and that will possibly be its eventual downfall. Its an ill-fit outside the US and maybe Canada because it takes zero account of other countries different histories and cultures, as a result there’s a good argument to be made that its just another form of US cultural imperialism. Unfortunately, it’ll probably just mean that other countries, especially those wealthy enough to have social science academics who’ll pump out any old crap to keep themselves relevant and in a comfy job, will just come up with their own, tailored spin, but it’ll be fun to watch the inevitable arguments it’ll cause.
I'll point this out till I'm blue in the face:

It may seem like it's US centric, but the reason it's catching on is that it's a form of refocusing and diffusing the blame for the ills of society from the rich and powerful (political and social elite) onto an wider group, and that group is white people.

It's a way to keep simpler people (of all races) from realizing that it's certain malignant rich and politicians fucking them over, and instead making it the fault of all white people, or of capitalism, or both. It's similar to how, when Hollywood had that rash of producers and various other higher-ups suddenly being outed as sex pests, the conversation in the public sphere wasn't "Hollywood has a sexual assault problem" it was "We, as a society have a sexual assault problem". Much like how in places where third-worlders have been imported en masse and the rape rates skyrocketed, the conversation isn't "People from backwards shitholes/with shitty ideology have a rape problem" it was "Our society is a rape culture". Ditto for the asian violence, it wasn't "Black people have a problem with hating asians", it was "Our society has an asian hate problem".

These motherfuckers know what they're doing and they deserve to be lamp-post ornaments for it.
 
Still, it's a bit laughable to act as if though it's americans spreading it rather than... well what I described. Americans in the general aren't making movies, media, websites, running corporations, etc. Saying americans like that implies Joe Smith the electrician and Jamal Jenkins the plumber approve of this shit just as much as Shlomo Silverblat the movie producer or Shaniqua the African-American Studies professor do.
So basically, "Not All Muslims"?
 
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