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The only surgery I feel should be fully funded for troons is uterus transplants in trans women. Immediately. I think all trans women should be offered a free uterus transplant, and in fact I’d even throw in FFS and castration etc to sweeten the deal, but they have to take the uterus too.

Then we wait.
 
I'm mystified by these demands for uterus implants. They actually sound sincere. Do you reckon they think that a uterus transplant into a trans woman is actually possible, and it's just transphobic scientists keeping it secret? It probably comes from a lot of trans women being programmers or something, and thinking the body like a computer with plug and play hardware. Maybe they drank the coolaid about neovaginas being the exact same as a regular vagina, and don't understand that it's a non-functional facsimile.
It's a core belief in transhumanism that the body is really just configurable parts that can be swapped in and out and that the mind and the self are really just riders that can just as easily be transported by something else. So, yeah, if a woman is just a thing with a womb and vag and tits, shove it all in. Sure that will work.

It's important to remember that these people are deeply deluded.
As I observed in the Kevin thread, if it was possible, they'd need a donor egg, donor sperm and a donor uterus and at that point you might as well just cut out the middleman and go down the surrogacy route, and at that point you could go down the surrogacy route with banked sperm and have a child that is biologically yours. I can't see how they'd "get dysphoric" about that, and if you're that desperate for a biological child, surely you can take a bit of dysphoria on the chin?

There's plenty of cis women who have uterine fertility issues and they don't REEEEE about how they 100% should be able to get the highly experimental uterus transplant that actually is somewhat possible to perform on a cis woman, they either accept they can't have kids, that they'll need to find a surrogate to carry their eggs, or they adopt. Gay couples don't REEEE that they're not provided with a state sponsored Handmaid forced to carry their biological child, or that homophobic scientists aren't researching artificial breeding tanks.

I do think that it's probably more about wanting to be pregnant or a real woman than it is about having a kid (see some trans women obsessing about having periods). If a trans woman wanted a child, well it depends where in the world they are, but they could adopt a child. They'd need to prove to the adoption agency they could provide a stable home and that they're in a stable relationship. The fact that an unemployed trans woman who lives in a polycule where they all dress up in fetish gear for orgies wouldn't be allowed to adopt a child isn't transphobic, because an unemployed cis woman who lives in a polycule where they all dress up in fetish gear for orgies also wouldn't be allowed to adopt.
 
Since uterus transplants are likely impossible, do you think it is more likely we will see babies being taken away from 'unworthy' women to be given to transwomen who want their own children (since the desires of powerful men are always what counts)? Or is the pregnancy fetishism aspect too big of a deal for this to satisfy them?
The adoption/foster care system in the USA is so fucked that that's just about the only way you could possibly make it even worse at this point. Give your child up for adoption today! Will they end up with a serial adopter who abuses welfare and neglects their 18 foster children, or a pedophile groomer tranny? Just roll the dice!
 
The adoption/foster care system in the USA is so fucked that that's just about the only way you could possibly make it even worse at this point. Give your child up for adoption today! Will they end up with a serial adopter who abuses welfare and neglects their 18 foster children, or a pedophile groomer tranny? Just roll the dice!
Actually putting your baby up for adoption isn't that fucked up. There are way more parents that want a baby than there are babies needing a home. As long as the baby isn't badly disabled finding a home so easy that you get to be picky where your baby ends up.

Fostering other hand is a shit show. Not a complete one because there are good capable loving foster homes and services but it's pretty bad. Very few people want a child that someone else has already ruined and all the crap that comes with it so finding a home to anything beyond a cute toddler is really hard. You are mostly left with people willing to do it for the money and sums aren't that large so mostly people not getting a better deal will sign up and they ain't the greatest punch of folks.
 
Since uterus transplants are likely impossible, do you think it is more likely we will see babies being taken away from 'unworthy' women to be given to transwomen who want their own children (since the desires of powerful men are always what counts)? Or is the pregnancy fetishism aspect too big of a deal for this to satisfy them?

I think we're still far away from them forcibly taking babies.

"Plenty of cis couples can't conceive and have babies through other means." So it will be sperm/ egg donation and suragocy. Which of course leads to desperate women in the third world being used to grow babies. That's the path it will go. Barriers will be broken down to make that easier for the troons to access. Women will suffer being baby farms.
 
In other news, yet another tranny made a cope thread about muh reproductive rights (dr mental illness)
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It gives me a warm tingly feeling when these retards physically remove themselves from the gene pool.

You’re doing humanity a favour by refusing to pay that fee and getting your chance at children trashed.
 
Since uterus transplants are likely impossible, do you think it is more likely we will see babies being taken away from 'unworthy' women to be given to transwomen who want their own children (since the desires of powerful men are always what counts)? Or is the pregnancy fetishism aspect too big of a deal for this to satisfy them?
they're already pushing, pressuring and suing adoption agencies to give children to gays. trannies will be the next step obviously.
simultaneously, CPS taking away children from parents for holding problematic views isn't unthinkable either.
combine these two situations together and suddenly a scenario like this becomes possible:

>mandatory kindergarten sex ed class and drag queen story hour make kid identify as they/them enby
>parents tell kid to ignore that nonsense
>CPS get on the case, report says "transphobic fundamentalist parents refuse to properly accomodate gender questioning child"
>family court ruling declares parents unfit to raise a child, kid goes into foster care and listed for adoption
>adoption agency gives kid to two true and honest womyn, media praises agency for stunning and brave progressiveness

almost all the steps in this chain are already in place
 
I'm mystified by these demands for uterus implants. They actually sound sincere. Do you reckon they think that a uterus transplant into a trans woman is actually possible, and it's just transphobic scientists keeping it secret? It probably comes from a lot of trans women being programmers or something, and thinking the body like a computer with plug and play hardware. Maybe they drank the coolaid about neovaginas being the exact same as a regular vagina, and don't understand that it's a non-functional facsimile.

Troons demanding an unattainable goal is the logical next step in their collective cope. They need something to focus on, some next step in their process, and all the better if it's literally impossible: that way there's no hangover and regret, because it'll never even happen.

Look at the GRS/SRS disaster thread and you'll see fools who didn't even experience any kind of dysphoria regarding their penis and yet these men have cut their dicks off. Some even admit regret, that they got caught up in the process and thought they needed to do it to be happy. Not because they have a persistent loathing of their genitals, but a different type of mental illness in which they're so totally self-obsessed and up their own asses with being on a ~journey~ that they'll literally cut their dick off over it.

Once they've taken the last big step, the reality of their situation hits home. This is it: they've checked all the boxes, they've arrived, and...they're still just the same old miserable perverts that creep everyone out, but without a dick. This is when the 41-percenting kicks in.

If troons had any good sense (but were still crazy enough to be trans), they'd be demanding better SRS results! But that's a touchy issue, it would make the butchered ones feel bad, and campaigning for it would reveal what an absolute disaster those surgeries are. And it wouldn't give them the necessary (HRT-shrivelled) carrot-on-a-stick to get all worked up and outraged about, and to get back on the "...then, I'll finally be perfect!" troon treadmill.
 
Cross-posting from another thread, this one is more suitable. Read the stunning and brave tags.
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How do you guys respond to the argument that trans women should be allowed to compete against biological females because "all sports are about genetic advantages, basketball players are taller, baseball players have better reaction times, etc." It all seems very self-evident to me that the suite of differences between biological males and females are much more significant and numerous than something like NBA players being taller on average, but I admit that it's somewhat hard to articulate.

The difference is this. Basketball is not segregated by height. Baseball is not segregated by reaction times. Sports ARE pretty much all segregated by sex. Their argument would only be valid if we had a league for people below 5'4'' (on the basis that short people are at such a disadvantage they wouldn't get to play competitively without special leagues) and we allowed taller people in if they identified as short. Would they be okay with people boxing in lower weight divisions because they were dysphoric about their weight?

The advantages of transwomen in female sports is not the same as the advantage of tall/muscular/quick females. Having fast reaction time will give you a tiny advantage, which may or not result in a medal as the woman will be competing against other women with their own slight advantages, skills and training levels. On the other hand, male advantage is huge: TW were usually pretty mediocre when competing as males and only reveal their advantage when competing against females.

When I talk to people who think TW in women's sport is no big deal I ask them the following: height, body shape, reaction times, etc. all give people genetic advantages in sport; are you saying that 'being born male' is just another innate advantage in female sport?

In some sports, coaches look out for youngsters with the right physical attributes for their sports. A very tall kid is going to be approached by basketball coaches, a tall and broad kid is going to having American football and rowing coaches fighting over them. Should coaches of girls' sports just appraoch trans girls?

Edited to add:

Here is a proper scientific takedown of the 'Phelps Gambit': the idea that if Phelps' advantage is okay, then why not transwomen:

 
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Since uterus transplants are likely impossible, do you think it is more likely we will see babies being taken away from 'unworthy' women to be given to transwomen who want their own children (since the desires of powerful men are always what counts)? Or is the pregnancy fetishism aspect too big of a deal for this to satisfy them?
The only reason I don't think this will happen is because most troons can't even be bothered to do their makeup or dress themselves properly; no way they'd be willing to jump through all the hoops (I would hope) adoption requires.

Then again I've been guilty of rampant optimism before, so I probably shouldn't rule anything out in our current Clownworld timeline.
 
Let's put Brock Lesnar in the octagon with Ronda Rousey and see how fast those 'no discernable difference' theories evaporate.
No need for Brock Lesnar. Just put her against a male MMA fighter in the same weight division, like Conor McGregor. He'd finish that fight in the first round.
 
Cross-posting from another thread, this one is more suitable. Read the stunning and brave tags.
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A troon that doesn’t understand being a woman, or being a Muslim.

I do not believe for a second this man is a believer. He just wants to be objectified, treated badly, and otherwise degraded. Look at his hashtags, this is a fetish. He is a mockery of women and of Islam.

I’d say he should do a flip, but I’d like to see him take this fetish all the way to joining ISIS.
 
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I'm mystified by these demands for uterus implants. They actually sound sincere. Do you reckon they think that a uterus transplant into a trans woman is actually possible, and it's just transphobic scientists keeping it secret? It probably comes from a lot of trans women being programmers or something, and thinking the body like a computer with plug and play hardware. Maybe they drank the coolaid about neovaginas being the exact same as a regular vagina, and don't understand that it's a non-functional facsimile.

I think it is extremely common even among non-trans to remember the human body as the kind of easy-to-learn system that we all remember from high school biology, and assume there is not much more to it than that. Even though they are always repeating the 'biology is more complicated than you learned in high school, sweety' line they do not grasp that say, human endocrine system is less of a 'plug and play' system like you said, and more like a Rube Goldberg machine. This is a bit of a spergy topic of mine so I will keep it short, but I think there are a lot of health issues that we have not yet even connected as coming from the contraceptive pill, let alone issues related to pumping natal males full of female hormones for decades. And yet they think we could even start to deal with the hormones needed for pregnancy?!

I suppose many of them have a lifelong habit of not listening to women about anything (which prevents them from learning about the actual experience of pregnancy) and ignoring anything that does not make them feel validated. If you got deep into that mindset I suppose you could fall into this hole.

I am amazed that they skipped right over the surrogacy issue (which is what actual women use when they want to exploit other women for the purpose of childbearing; not that all surrogacies are exploitative, but a lot are) and went right to demanding women supply them with body parts. Just amazing.

I think we're still far away from them forcibly taking babies.

"Plenty of cis couples can't conceive and have babies through other means." So it will be sperm/ egg donation and suragocy. Which of course leads to desperate women in the third world being used to grow babies. That's the path it will go. Barriers will be broken down to make that easier for the troons to access. Women will suffer being baby farms.
But why have none of them expressed interest in surrogacy the way they have in womb transplants then? I think there is an element there of wanting to take something from the women they are threatened by, and using some poor wretch in India is not going to scratch that itch.
 
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Oh god, there are a bunch of them on Twitter.

There is something to be said here about how widespread social anxieties become weird sexual kinks in a small subset of people, I suppose. But mostly I am just horrified.
Maitreya, Kalki, Jesus, Moshiach ben David, King Arthur; I don't know who it will be but I hope he comes quickly.
 
Troons demanding an unattainable goal is the logical next step in their collective cope. They need something to focus on, some next step in their process, and all the better if it's literally impossible: that way there's no hangover and regret, because it'll never even happen.
It's a maladaptive coping mechanism. Like an addiction, it can never be fully sated, only temporarily appeased. They need more and stronger types of affirmation to keep the bad feelings at bay. It's like climbing a mountain with no summit that just gets steeper the higher up you go.
 
The difference is this. Basketball is not segregated by height. Baseball is not segregated by reaction times. Sports ARE pretty much all segregated by sex. Their argument would only be valid if we had a league for people below 5'4'' (on the basis that short people are at such a disadvantage they wouldn't get to play competitively without special leagues) and we allowed taller people in if they identified as short. Would they be okay with people boxing in lower weight divisions because they were dysphoric about their weight?

The advantages of transwomen in female sports is not the same as the advantage of tall/muscular/quick females. Having fast reaction time will give you a tiny advantage, which may or not result in a medal as the woman will be competing against other women with their own slight advantages, skills and training levels. On the other hand, male advantage is huge: TW were usually pretty mediocre when competing as males and only reveal their advantage when competing against females.

When I talk to people who think TW in women's sport is no big deal I ask them the following: height, body shape, reaction times, etc. all give people genetic advantages in sport; are you saying that 'being born male' is just another innate advantage in female sport?

In some sports, coaches look out for youngsters with the right physical attributes for their sports. A very tall kid is going to be approached by basketball coaches, a tall and broad kid is going to having American football and rowing coaches fighting over them. Should coaches of girls' sports just appraoch trans girls?

Edited to add:

Here is a proper scientific takedown of the 'Phelps Gambit': the idea that if Phelps' advantage is okay, then why not transwomen:

Their ideas makes sense ONLY if we accept that trans-women were born women and have no differences than biological women. Michael Phelps wasn't born as a dolphin.

Rules changes in sports over time to prevent people taking advantage of the rules or having an unfair advantage.
Here's a video about a guy that was born with half a foot, this meant that he could kick a football head on. They changed the rules because it was unfair, he still held the record for longest field goal for 43 years.
It's a five minute video and somewhat funny, they also have other videos of rules changing because of certain people or certain behavior.
Oh god, there are a bunch of them on Twitter.

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There is something to be said here about how widespread social anxieties become weird sexual kinks in a small subset of people, I suppose. But mostly I am just horrified.
Yeah, click around on the hashtags and there's so much weird shit. And the guy I posted is commenting on normal selfies taken by women in the arab world.

What I really want right now is for Corona-chan to go away so I can see a thousand creeps like him proudly marching in next years Pride parade. Can't kink shame anyone.
 
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