California Dodges Outages During Heat Wave But EV Owners Push Grid Capacity - California EV owners asked not to charge their cars.

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California Dodges Outages During Heat Wave But EV Owners Push Grid Capacity

Although the record-breaking heat wave eased slightly Friday, California ISO again issued a Flex Alert urging Californians to conserve power to relieve stress on the grid. Many eectric vehicle owners who had to travel couldn't comply.
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Although the record-breaking heat wave eased slightly Friday, California ISO again issued a Flex Alert urging Californians to conserve power to relieve stress on the grid. Those conservation efforts went well and Cal ISO didn’t need to initiate power outages.

In downtown Petaluma, people were enjoying the warm evening and trying to find ways to cool off.

“It’s just really hot out and we wanted some ice cream,” said Addie from Pennsylvania says. At Lala’s Creamery, owner Angela Pryor said she relies on every watt of electricity to keep her business running.


“If the power were to go out, that would be a problem because we have a lot of ice cream waiting to be served,” Pryor said.

At an electric car charging station, there were several cars parked during the Flex Alert. EV owners say they try to charge during off peak hours but sometimes they have no choice.

“I have to get back home so I have to charge it,” said Mark Zimmerman.

According to FuelEconomy.gov, the average electric car uses 30 kilowatt hours to travel a hundred miles. That’s the same amount an average American home uses per day. As California shifts to electric cars to reduce carbon emissions, it’s having an impact on the state’s power grid and the demand is only expected to increase.

“I would get little bit of power and make the environment clean than put gas in there and make the environment dirty,” said Alina Reyes, an electric car driver.

The demand is expected to go up about 25 percent by the 2035 deadline when the state will end the sale of new internal combustion cars. There are different plans in the works, including converting charging stations to solar energy but there is more work that needs to be done to meet the demand.
 
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The only thing to do if you find yourself in California is to leave. Leave at once. And I say this as someone who has family in Oklahoma (and has thus spent time in the most miserable parts of it).

I'd rather freeze to death in the fucking Artic Circle. lol.
 
contradiction of terns said:
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The only thing to do if you find yourself in California is to leave. Leave at once. And I say this as someone who has family in Oklahoma (and has thus spent time in the most miserable parts of it).

I'd rather freeze to death in the fucking Artic Circle. lol.
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no fuck you, stay in commiefornia and wait to be nuked by some foreign power. Dont spread your cancer to other states.
 
That's what happens if you try to set up a electric car/truck system without district based nuclear power. If you had plants located across the state, interconnects would not be as needed, especially if you could balance load by having everyone charge (or feed back into the grid) at the same time.
 
Gee who could have guessed that hundreds of thousands of people drawing power to charge high capacity batteries on a daily basis could have unintended consequences for the grid. Reminds me of how tesla owners in texas ended up with thousand dollar electric bills during that snowstorm earlier this year.
 
I don't get why electric cars get promoted as this environment saving solution. Don't they require some rare elements for the battery and/or onboard electronics and cause the power plants to pollute more to charge their batteries?
 
Peanut Butter in Peril said:
I don't get why electric cars get promoted as this environment saving solution. Don't they require some rare elements for the battery and/or onboard electronics and cause the power plants to pollute more to charge their batteries?
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The progressive ideals of utopianism will eventually be the end of us just because you cannot sell rational thought.
 
You know what would also get you home and wouldn't cause the entire electrical grid to come crashing down? Vehicles powered by some sort of liquid fuel that could easily be dispensed using the relatively tiny bit of electricity needed to power a small central pump feeding a small network of dispensers.
 
kcbbq said:
You know what would also get you home and wouldn't cause the entire electrical grid to come crashing down? Vehicles powered by some sort of liquid fuel that could easily be dispensed using the relatively tiny bit of electricity needed to power a small central pump feeding a small network of dispensers.
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You're delusional, something like that could never possibly work. Now hop on the other bike generator and get pedaling, I need help charging my chevy volt.
 
Maybe cut the power to millionaire mansions before fucking with the common's people car? But hey, having your ability to move around being completely limited and dependent on the government is totally not the end goal of electric car.
 
I think Electric Cars are a way to make private travel inconvenient for the average people so they will just be centralized in the cities more and rely on mass transit. Think about it, they have low range, they take a lot of time to charge and are not cheap either. Not to mention unlike gasoline and diesel, you can't just pack up batteries in your yard. You will be more tethered to the infrastructure this way. They are even more difficult to repair at home, thus adding to the overall degradation of ownership as well.

If you are lurking in the media you can already hear talks (for more than a decade now) about taxing traveled miles, carbon taxes, carbon credit etc. This could provide the state, or whatever institution they decide to wield this authority to micromanage your movement. Electric cars would be more easy to monitor as well, especially with the talks about smart grids that monitor consumption. Who knows even without all the gizmos on the car itself, it would be more likely the charging stations knowing your cars stats than a pumping station getting yours. (implying the cameras there can't just identify your license plate and face)

With all the big oil and other interests pushing the green agenda anyway, what is this other than limiting the availability of alternatives and the supply to in the long run building monopoly and raise prices. Peak Oil was made as a narrative by an oil company, and a lot of land was closed by exploration by conservationism that is too financed by these people. Sure, don't mine all the things, because we would live in a hell world, but at least I can point to this as a conflict of interest.

It reminds me how Hemp was demonized when the wood and oil/plastic interest got involved. Nothing to see there.

And if we think about it this way as well, batteries are basically energy as service. They can't store energy as well as for example a barrel of oil or a whatever container they keep coal in. It needs to be replaced more often and it requires a much more capital intensive industry to produce it as well. You could make an oil barrel at home, but it is very unlikely you will make a Lithium based battery.

yadda yadda, they whole thing is a scam, EVs could be a good compliment to the current fleet but not a replacement. Unless you want to put stress on the system to slowly reduce the standard of living for people and transfer that wealth to the corporations and groups that are aligning themselves to sell this snake oil.

/rambling
Penis Drager said:
“I would get little bit of power and make the environment clean than put gas in there and make the environment dirty,”
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Umm sweetie, how many joules of energy were spent in making your luxury car? You need to drive that thing for a lot of time to outset the difference, and make sure your electricity is not made in coal plants backing up the solar panels and wind turbines that don't do much during the night.

If you want to protect the environment buy some old car and drive it until it falls apart.
 
Peanut Butter in Peril said:
I don't get why electric cars get promoted as this environment saving solution. Don't they require some rare elements for the battery and/or onboard electronics and cause the power plants to pollute more to charge their batteries?
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Yes and the mines for those elements are in hellholes like the Congo. Buying an electric vehicle is pretty directly giving money to a warlord.
 
Peanut Butter in Peril said:
I don't get why electric cars get promoted as this environment saving solution. Don't they require some rare elements for the battery and/or onboard electronics and cause the power plants to pollute more to charge their batteries?
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It keeps people closer to home. Gas is freedom. The environment part is to get retards on board

That and its new money attempting to displace old money
 
Peanut Butter in Peril said:
I don't get why electric cars get promoted as this environment saving solution. Don't they require some rare elements for the battery and/or onboard electronics and cause the power plants to pollute more to charge their batteries?
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Out of sight, out of mind. You are correct about how they operate but since it happens in one of those other poorer countries it doesn't matter.

Sort of like the recycling business. It's all getting shipped to some third world shithole and not your back yard so it doesn't count as polluting.
 
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