Crime US military guns keep vanishing — and showing up in street crimes - "WeLl REgYooLayTed aNd HiGhLy TraInEd PrOfEsHuNaLs"

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In the first public accounting of its kind in decades, an Associated Press investigation has found that at least 1,900 U.S. military firearms were lost or stolen during the 2010s, with some resurfacing in violent crimes. And that’s certainly an undercount.

Government records covering the Army, Marine Corps, Navy and Air Force show pistols, machine guns, shotguns and automatic assault rifles have vanished from armories, supply warehouses, Navy warships and elsewhere. These weapons of war disappeared because of security failures that, until now, have not been publicly reported, including sleeping troops and a surveillance system that didn’t record.

compound. The weapons were not recovered.

While AP’s focus was firearms, military explosives also have been lost or stolen, including armor-piercing grenades that ended up in an Atlanta backyard. In that incident and many others, military investigators closed the case without finding the person responsible.


The Pentagon used to share annual updates about stolen weapons with Congress, but that requirement ended years ago and public accountability has slipped. The Army and the Air Force couldn’t readily tell AP how many weapons were lost or stolen from 2010 through 2019.

On Tuesday, in the wake of the AP investigation, Army Secretary Christine Wormuth told a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee she would be open to new oversight over weapons accountability.

Chart compares the number of unaccounted for U.S. military weapons from 2010-2019 by branch of military service.AP
For this reporting, the AP built its own database by reviewing records including hundreds of military criminal case files and data from registries of small arms, as well as internal military analysis. In its accounting, whenever possible AP eliminated cases in which firearms were lost in combat, during accidents such as aircraft crashes and similar incidents where a weapon’s fate was known.


From the start of this reporting 10 years ago, armed services have been reluctant to share information. For years, the Army suppressed the release of information. Unlike the other branches, the Air Force has released no data at all.

Military weapons are especially vulnerable to corrupt insiders responsible for securing them. They know how to exploit weak points within armories or the military’s enormous supply chains. Often from the lower ranks, they may see a chance to make a buck from a military that can afford it.

“It’s about the money, right?” said Brig. Gen. Duane Miller, the Army’s No. 2 law enforcement official.

Theft or loss happens more often than the Army has publicly acknowledged. During an initial interview, Miller significantly understated the extent to which weapons disappear, citing records that report only a few hundred missing rifles and handguns. An internal Army analysis that AP obtained tallied 1,303 firearms.


In a second interview, Miller said he hadn’t been aware of the memos, which had been distributed throughout the Army, until AP pointed them out. Army officials later said the total is imperfect because it includes some recovered guns and may include some duplicates.

Like Miller, top officials within the Marines and Secretary of Defense’s office said weapon accountability is a high priority — and when the military knows a weapon is missing, it does trigger a concerted response to recover it. The officials also said missing weapons are not a widespread problem.

The AP analysis found that at least 1,900 U.S. military firearms were lost or stolen during the 2010s.AP
“We have a very large inventory of several million of these weapons,” Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said in an interview. “We take this very seriously and we think we do a very good job. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t losses. It doesn’t mean that there aren’t mistakes made.”

Weapons accountability is part of military routine. Armorers are supposed to check weapons when they open each day. Sight counts, a visual total of weapons on hand, are drilled into troops whether they are in the field, on patrol, or in the arms room. But as long as there have been armories, people have been stealing from them.

In the absence of a regular reporting requirement, the Pentagon is responsible for informing Congress of any “significant” incidents of missing weapons. That hasn’t happened since at least 2017.

Stolen military guns have been sold to street gang members, recovered on felons and used in violent crimes.

The AP identified eight instances in which five different stolen military firearms were used in a civilian shooting or other violent crime, and others in which felons were caught possessing weapons. Federal restrictions on sharing firearms information publicly mean the case total is certainly an undercount.

Chart compares the number of unaccounted for U.S. military weapons from 2010-2019 by type of weapon.AP
The military requires itself to inform civilian law enforcement when a gun is unaccounted for, and the services help in subsequent investigations. The Pentagon does not track crime guns, and spokesman Kirby said his office was unaware of any stolen firearms used in civilian crimes.

The closest AP could find to an independent tally was done by the FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Services. It said 22 guns issued by the U.S. military were used in a felony during the 2010s. That total could include surplus weapons the military sells to the public or loans to civilian law enforcement.

Those FBI records also appear to be an undercount. They say that no military-issue gun was used in a felony in 2018, but the AP found that at least one was.

Back in June 2018, police in Albany, New York, were searching for a young man they’d placed at an April shooting that involved the Beretta M9 stolen from the Army. By the time authorities found him two months later, bullet casing analysis would link the gun to two other shootings, plus a fourth in 2017.

The Army still doesn’t know who stole the gun, or when.
 
1900 guns? In 10 years? Roughly one every few days? Out of.. how many million?

Yeah, even one isn't GOOD, but come on... it's not like those are TERRIBLE numbers.
 
The descript wording of "Military firearm" makes the average idiot think its an m60 or some shit. You enlist gang bangers, and they stole handguns, shockedpikaface.jpg
 
The descript wording of "Military firearm" makes the average idiot think its an m60 or some shit. You enlist gang bangers, and they stole handguns, shockedpikaface.jpg
Handguns are easier to commit crimes with.
 
Any nukes missing in the last 10 years? wouldnt be the first time...

I just wanna remember that stupid journo about the Minot airforce base incident when they accidently armed a B52 with nuke, flew it to another base, let the loaded weapons sit in the airplane for a day and a half without ever reporting them missin at Minot.

Stuff goes missing all the time, or get broken and not reported.
 
I'd rather see badass gangsters using those weapons than dickgirl worshipping military fags anyway tbh
 
Shhhh, y'all gotta promise not tell anybody. As a lowly supply clerk, I ordered every part I needed a few at a time, logged them against an existing hangar queen at Davis Monthan AFB in Tucson, and have since built a complete A-10 Warthog in my backyard. If you're gonna steal from the gubmint, you might as well go BIG!

What's that noise? Fuck, it's the black helicopters!!! Time to go play!!! Gonna fuck some shit up! :drink::drink::drink:

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Talk about a scare monger article.

"The military has millions of firearms, replaces tens of thousands of them a year, but every year 200 of them end up in civilian hands illegally stolen and smuggled off post!"

Oh no... someone stole an M9. Oh dear.

Go to Fort Hood and look around. That place is a hotbed of weapons stolen from post by... well... huwyte supremacists and sold to pawn shops and... um... multi-cultural huwyte supremacists with names like Duwad Mohammad Blackensteinman.

EDIT: FUCK! BEATEN!
 
Any nukes missing in the last 10 years? wouldnt be the first time...

None confirmed as far as can tell... the last official "Broken Arrow" (loss of nuclear weapon or components) was 1980, but that wasn't so much as "lost" as "Titan II ICBM exploded in the silo, threw warhead onto surface".

They knew where it was, it was just an unauthorized move that nobody was in charge of.

Speaking of which, I'm pretty sure there are a few cases in the 90's of "temporarily" losing live weapons or weapons components insofar as paperwork errors meant the were flown to the wrong base and couldn't be accounted for for several hours.... so, technically not a Broken Arrow since it never left custody of the military... if only by a technicality.

Looks like the last confirmed "genuine" BA, as in "We lost a nuke and don't know where it went" was in 1968 when the submarine USS Scorpion disappeared along with two nuclear-tipped torpedoes, at least until it's wreckage was found in over 9,000 feet of water, making recovery impossible and effectively rendering them "safe".

A nuclear weapon theft, or "Empty Quiver", has never been confirmed, for what it's worth.



Shhhh, y'all gotta promise not tell anybody. As a lowly supply clerk, I ordered every part I needed a few at a time, logged them against an existing hangar queen at Davis Monthan AFB in Tucson, and have since built a complete A-10 Warthog in my backyard. If you're gonna steal from the gubmint, you might as well go BIG!
"I got it one piece at a time, and it didn't cost me a dime! You'll know it's me when I fly through your town!"
 
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The descript wording of "Military firearm" makes the average idiot think its an m60 or some shit. You enlist gang bangers, and they stole handguns, shockedpikaface.jpg
Organised crime, particularly cartel ones if I remember correctly, have been making concerted efforts to infiltrate the US military for years, so this isn't just a theft of opportunity. There is an ongoing effort from organised crime and other undesireables to enlist in order to acquire training and steal equipment.

Recently Qantas, Australia's flagsip airline, was reported to have up to a "significant" 150 staff members, a concerning number of whom had been vetted by the Border Force for international deliveries, that were both associated with organised crime and facilitating illicit smuggling. I would assume that the US' major airlines are in a similar situation as well.
 
Recently Qantas, Australia's flagsip airline, was reported to have up to a "significant" 150 staff members, a concerning number of whom had been vetted by the Border Force for international deliveries, that were both associated with organised crime and facilitating illicit smuggling. I would assume that the US' major airlines are in a similar situation as well.

The airline doesn't have to be in on it, just the baggage-handlers union.

The mafia in the US could pretty much steal whatever it wanted from JFK for most of the 70's and 80's because everyone who unloaded a plane and loaded a truck could be "convinced" to leave the keys in it and turn their back "just for a minute".

The Lufthansa heist in Goodfellas that gets everyone killed? That really happened.
 
Funny thing is, they'd actually be better off buying civilian weapons and converting them.

Military weapons are trash after a year.
 
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