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Raisin Boy said:
My favorite example is quicksand fetishism. That was a whole weird niche of porn at one point, people sinking in quicksand. It rose and fell with the trope of quicksand in movies, and now it's very rare, implying that there's a strong social component to paraphilias. They may even have a finite lifespan.
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It could certainly explain why the furry community exploded when the kids who watched disney movies like Lion King grew up. For example, if you were 5 in 1993, you'd be in your teens in the mid 2000s, around the time the Furry community started/took off. Perfect timing.

And it makes sense. We can't even find any gene that influences sexuality, let alone fetishes. Some fetishes are so culture based, like women in high heels, that claiming it's inborn is completely ridiculuous. A baby doesn't display sexuality or fetish behaviour, it's obviously not inborn.
 
Surfin Terf said:
It might not be so traumatizing that it affects their ability to lead a normal life, but most people do experience some sort of trauma in their life. A bully, a physical injury, accidentally stumbling on a weird YouTube late at night... most people won't be too fucked up from that, but it might still (but won't always) affect their sexuality. It's undeniable that to some degree our sexuality is culturally-bound, small vs large penises, small vs large breasts, thin necks vs freakishly elongated necks... these are all things that are viewed differently in different cultures at different times. We've even seen plenty of animals raised by humans become sexually attracted to humans (I wonder if this avenue was pursued w/ regards to feral children).

I think that in 5-10 years we're going to see a rise in mask fetishism, the same way that the early BDSM scene was rife with gas mask fetishism from all the British kids who spent much of their formative years in bomb shelters with gas masks.
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I hate to break it to you but gas masks are still a huge fetish subculture and every kink event is filled with those people.
 
Syntaxion12 said:
It could certainly explain why the furry community exploded when the kids who watched disney movies like Lion King grew up. For example, if you were 5 in 1993, you'd be in your teens in the mid 2000s, around the time the Furry community started/took off. Perfect timing.

And it makes sense. We can't even find any gene that influences sexuality, let alone fetishes. Some fetishes are so culture based, like women in high heels, that claiming it's inborn is completely ridiculuous. A baby doesn't display sexuality or fetish behaviour, it's obviously not inborn.
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i wonder if it also explains the explosion of hentai shit after people who grew up on early 2000s 4chan became older
 
GenitalFetishist said:
"... the orgasms don't cause any sort of feeling or tingling in my nipples/breasts."

It's a joke that pops up from time to time where someone will say, " Women need to make up some shit about how their nostrils get itchy when they orgasm, then see how long it takes for TIMs to start claiming that their nostrils itch too and it's so validating!"***

I have to wonder who told this dude that women get tingly nipples when they orgasm. I sure as hell don't. So either I am an outlier or someone (likely another TIM) is talking some bullshit.

*** this joke also applies to menstrual symptoms
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They must think all erogenous zones light up at the same time like a pinball machine.
 
DumbDude42 said:
paraphilias being 'made' rather than being innate 'born this way' characteristics has been observed for a long time, most notably in the observation that a huge percentage of child molesters were themselves molested when they were children
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The problem with that statistic is that it's almost all self-report and someone who's evil enough to rape a child will have no problem lying in order to garner sympathy. And as it turns out, most of them are lying.
This does not refute the theory that paraphilias are acquired rather than innate. Over the years I've encountered a lot of people who could trace their fetishes to instances of childhood trauma.
 
I read a post somewhere about a guy who could trace his inflation fetish back to watching Charlie and the Chocolate Factory as a child, and being right at the age where he first started getting warm and fuzzy feelings towards the opposite sex and then seeing a pretty female character the same age as him turn into a giant blueberry. I think a lot of furries point back to the Disney Robin Hood movie with the fox as well.

The interesting thing of course is that 99.99% of kids who watch Charlie and the Chocolate Factory at the same developmental stage do not get a fetish from it. So it seems to be some predisposition that gets triggered. And it doesn't have to be exposure to something inappropriate, it can be something that the vast majority of people will never find sexual. So it can be 'acquired' but something has to be there beforehand as well.
 
behindyourightnow said:
I read a post somewhere about a guy who could trace his inflation fetish back to watching Charlie and the Chocolate Factory as a child, and being right at the age where he first started getting warm and fuzzy feelings towards the opposite sex and then seeing a pretty female character the same age as him turn into a giant blueberry. I think a lot of furries point back to the Disney Robin Hood movie with the fox as well.

The interesting thing of course is that 99.99% of kids who watch Charlie and the Chocolate Factory at the same developmental stage do not get a fetish from it. So it seems to be some predisposition that gets triggered. And it doesn't have to be exposure to something inappropriate, it can be something that the vast majority of people will never find sexual. So it can be 'acquired' but something has to be there beforehand as well.
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Lol I was just about to say...hmm was the furry scene in the mid 1970s exploding, because:

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NoReturn said:
1973 - Robin Hood
1986 - Great Mouse Detective
1994 - Lion King
2016 - Zootopia
It's a conspiracy.
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There's generations of furries, really. The OG furries were influenced by the media available between the seventies and nineties. Then younger generations were born, and they were influenced by things like Digimon. That's why, when you look at really old furry stuff (say, from the nineties), it's almost always still distinctly toonish.

By the same token, today's troons aren't very much like yesterday's troons. There's a very noticeable generation gap in energy, and it makes me wonder what form troonism will take in the future. Within the past five years, we've gone from this weird fixation on "genderqueer," where everything can be a gender, to everything falling under the umbrella of "non-binary."
 
Raisin Boy said:
There's generations of furries, really. The OG furries were influenced by the media available between the seventies and nineties. Then younger generations were born, and they were influenced by things like Digimon. That's why, when you look at really old furry stuff (say, from the nineties), it's almost always still distinctly toonish.

By the same token, today's troons aren't very much like yesterday's troons. There's a very noticeable generation gap in energy, and it makes me wonder what form troonism will take in the future. Within the past five years, we've gone from this weird fixation on "genderqueer," where everything can be a gender, to everything falling under the umbrella of "non-binary."
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But for some reason, in both groups, across generations, they’re into fucking diapers
 
PittyKitty said:
They dont want detrans to talk because the only logical conclusion is no one can know if they "truly trans", and as such to be safe no one should be let to transition as a child.
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This is exactly it. Not gonna reveal too much but when I finally told my tranny friend circle that I was heavily considering de-transitioning/desisting, they told me not to/told me that if I did I should keep quiet about it, so I didn't mess things up for "real" trans people. That was the moment I realized I needed to get out asap. I'm lucky I did before I made any serious permanent fuckups.
 
My excuse here: I genuinely thought this was a troll bc I follow a lot of edgy RW gag accounts on Twitter.

Guy uses he/they pronouns, wife uses they/them. Maybe trans? I think it's just a straight couple with weird pronouns but I genuinely thought this was a parody.

That sentence is just the most insane thing.. "my wife THEY/THEM pronouns died"

Initially giggled because I thought the comedic timing of inserting pronouns at that point was just too over the top. But then read replies. Apparently, it's real. I now feel like a horrible person. But still. "Pinned tweet" somehow makes it worse.
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Can't comprehend the amount of wokery that's thinking about pronouns at a time like that.
 
Protistology said:
Don't forget Lola Bunny from Space Jam
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Really it's missing a lot. I'm not sure if we're getting this right. I can list off a whole lot - those - Rescue Rangers, the one with the Jungle Book characters flying planes, the 20 donald duck shows, Goofy show and movie - all had vaguely, vaguely sexualized animated characters (I use those words loosely in the vein of the idea of Robin Hood and Zootopia spawning furries.) Is this that new of a thing, or is it more maybe the proliferation of cartoons and the line between adult and child culture blurring? I genuinely don't know, I'm asking - like there totally had to be stuff like this before. The Thundercat lady was bangin' and I'm sure every Thundercat rip-off had a similar animal mutant girl character - that was 80s.
Raisin Boy said:
2001 - Baby Looney Tunes
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Same with this, I was about to cite the explosion of "babi-fied" cartoons, but that's been going since at least the 80s - there was muppet babies and I thought at least one Hanna Barbara series.

I guess we're all just taking a piss here anyway, but furries and troons have multifaceted origins. It's like when scholars debate over what actually caused other historical tragedies like the fall of Rome or World War I or the Great Depression.
 
Astrapi said:
I suspect a faker taking the piss at troons. He is looking dead-on at the camera, smirking so we can see his lantern jaw better, instead of playing the angles like they usually do.
This looks like a Pocahontas party wig and those are muscles that you don't get by questioning your gender.
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This dude has been posted before waaay back in the thread, and I think the general consensus was that he was trolling the trannies twice; first by just putting a cheap wig on to show how ridiculous they are, and also by being the chad they could never be, or maybe that was just my take

Raisin Boy said:
My favorite example is quicksand fetishism. That was a whole weird niche of porn at one point, people sinking in quicksand. It rose and fell with the trope of quicksand in movies, and now it's very rare, implying that there's a strong social component to paraphilias. They may even have a finite lifespan.
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Transgenderism does have a finite lifetime, the chances of it disappearing altogether is around 41%
 
Sustainable War said:
Really it's missing a lot. I'm not sure if we're getting this right. I can list off a whole lot - those - Rescue Rangers, the one with the Jungle Book characters flying planes, the 20 donald duck shows, Goofy show and movie - all had vaguely, vaguely sexualized animated characters (I use those words loosely in the vein of the idea of Robin Hood and Zootopia spawning furries.) Is this that new of a thing, or is it more maybe the proliferation of cartoons and the line between adult and child culture blurring? I genuinely don't know, I'm asking - like there totally had to be stuff like this before. The Thundercat lady was bangin' and I'm sure every Thundercat rip-off had a similar animal mutant girl character - that was 80s.

Same with this, I was about to cite the explosion of "babi-fied" cartoons, but that's been going since at least the 80s - there was muppet babies and I thought at least one Hanna Barbara series.

I guess we're all just taking a piss here anyway, but furries and troons have multifaceted origins. It's like when scholars debate over what actually caused other historical tragedies like the fall of Rome or World War I or the Great Depression.
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Truly like the pyramids, agriculture, alien myths, these guys spring up throughout different cultures, contemporarily, more similar than different but mystifying all the same.
 
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