U.S. Riots of April 2021 over Derek Chauvin & Riot Watch General

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Techpriest said:
That isn’t a tire track, but I can’t tell what that is. There’s also that this happened after he got shot, which is totally what possibly happened here, he instinctively hit the gas to get out and away. Fact is he was shot in the back, multiple times. Officers really fucked up.
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you dont have a right to flee/resist
 
Standardized Profile said:
Live records are electronic and distributed, so that'll be difficult. And the really important stuff is kept in places like Iron Mountain's limestone mine.
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Theres a reason behind it. The core of the cabals power is the smear machine. You shoot up a truck stop you give the cabal ammo.

You attack the grid you piss off normies who want to keep their lights on and browse por n hub.

Suddenly they cease to exist in the records of the irs? That degrades the state to keep track of people but it doesnt inconvenience normies. Might even benefit them.
 
Jack Awful said:
I think a lot of them try to phrase it as "Antifa isn't an organization! It's just an ideology that means you're against fascism! If you disagree with fascism, you're antifa!"
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Rose City Antifa is quite definitely and formally an organization, as is the so-called Torch Network it belongs to with eight other antifa organizations. It is, I believe, an unincorporated association with enough legal personality to be sued in its own right.
 
sperginity said:
It has been uniformly destructive as an approach.
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Postmodernism is cancer.
gaystoner said:
from watching the 'press conference'...theyre going to go all in on defending people fleeing the cops. "HE WAS IN HIS CAR TRYING TO DRIVE AWAY"
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There are very specific rules for when deadly force can be used against a fleeing suspect, all of which require that the suspect present an imminent danger to the public or some specific person. As the Supreme Court put it in Tennessee v. Garner, deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others[.]"

So for instance, a suspect fleeing after an armed robbery or who is known to be armed and violent could be stopped with deadly force. Unless that applied to this guy, they goofed.
CharlesBarkley said:
To be honest, with how the cops are handling this - They probably did fuck up and it was a bad warrant or something.
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It seems like a good warrant. He had been selling drugs to a CI and was accused of dealing cocaine, meth and heroin. He was running a real one stop shop.

That said, he was sitting in his car with his hands on the wheel in plain sight. I haven't heard them say he tried to ram the officers or anything. He was just sitting there and got shot in the back of the head.

There are apparently many more cameras involved in this incident from different angles. It's pretty sketchy they are trying to hide those. It seems if they exonerated them, they'd want to release them as soon as possible. Instead, they released just 20 seconds. They were apparently cherry picking and even their cherry picked out of context snippet makes them look bad.

I'll reserve judgment on this until we see more, though, because as we saw with Floyd, the media deliberately poisoned the jury pool with absolute nonsense, canonized Floyd as a saint and demonized Chauvin as an irredeemable monster, deliberately refusing to report Floyd's piss poor health, disgusting crimes, and general shittiness as a person.
 
AnOminous said:
Postmodernism is cancer.

There are very specific rules for when deadly force can be used against a fleeing suspect, all of which require that the suspect present an imminent danger to the public or some specific person. As the Supreme Court put it in Tennessee v. Garner, deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others[.]"

So for instance, a suspect fleeing after an armed robbery or who is known to be armed and violent could be stopped with deadly force. Unless that applied to this guy, they goofed.

It seems like a good warrant. He had been selling drugs to a CI and was accused of dealing cocaine, meth and heroin. He was running a real one stop shop.
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I'm just really okay with the whole Judge Dredd concept when it comes to heroin dealers.
 
FatalTater said:
Indianapolis certainly thinks it's going to be getting up to something before too long.




"Week of action" in the name of two violent criminals. Keep your eyes open, Hoosiers.
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I wonder if there any roof Koreans in the Hoosier state?
 
glad vlad said:
Driving away from cops is a real puzzler.

So you’re already getting pulled over, why turn a fine into an arrest? If you’re already getting arrested for some bullshit, why turn a month in jail into a decade in prison? If you’re getting pulled over and arrested and you’re a felon with a couple warrants and an illegal handgun down your pants, okay, that’s definitely gonna be a bad time, but at least you’re still alive, right?

And yet some people decide at every turn to make things worse for themselves, up to and including attacking the cop and then dying over it. I don’t know what’s going on. Panic? Drugs? Congenital stupidity? The adrenaline dump making you retarded? An erroneous belief that you can dominate the situation and make it all go away?

2020-2021 is turning me into a hardline pro-gun law and order asshole.
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2019 i was a middle of the road lets all get along people are the same deep down type of guy

2020 happened and everything white supremacists preached was true
 
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Standardized Profile said:
Like organized crime, they can deny the existence of one big integrated organization, but they can't deny the individual outfits or the fact that they network.
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They definitely can't deny they network, This thread and the previous one has numerous screencaps and archives of tweets calling "comrades" to action. Although the tweets are generally worded deliberately so not to be blatant about their intent, it's obvious from the requested supplies, calls to donate to bail funds, and other "code" words being used that they want people to come to a particular location and be as disruptive as possible. Those who claim Antifa is merely an idea are doing little more than wordsmithing to cover up the fact that it's still loosely organized on a local/regional level even if there's no sort of central governance.

gaystoner said:
I say that jokingly but thats exactly where this bs is heading. 'The right to resist arrest" is coming to your city..Are You Prepared?
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This isn't surprising after seeing people on some of last summer's live streams trying to "unarrest" their colleagues by surrounding the arresting officers and trying to physically wrest away their detained colleagues.

It's kind of funny how these people that claim the police are too violent often behave more violently than the people about whom they complain. 🤷‍♂️

glad vlad said:
Driving away from cops is a real puzzler.

So you’re already getting pulled over, why turn a fine into an arrest?
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If i recall, most places consider fleeing and eluding police a felony, which only makes matters worse -- even if the original stop was for something as trifling as a burned out tail light.

My driver's ed instructor was an off duty cop and he told us point blank that if we knew we screwed up behind the wheel, the worst thing to do was to try to run away or deny responsibility in a belligerent/inappropriate tone. It was far better to cooperate and/or invoke the right to remain silent and let the process play out.

It's a shame that activists gaslight others into believing that the police are out to kill them for any or no reason. Many of the videos we've seen involve people that are pulled over and subsequently do everything they shouldn't do after being stopped by the police or put the police in a situation where the latter doesn't know if the person they've stopped/detained is being truthful about what's going on. That said, those police who behave inappropriate during a stop or use bad judgment should be held accountable. It's just a shame that some people think they can act however they want towards the police and not face any consequences for that behavior.
 
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AnOminous said:
I'll reserve judgment on this until we see more, though, because as we saw with Floyd, the media deliberately poisoned the jury pool with absolute nonsense, canonized Floyd as a saint and demonized Chauvin as an irredeemable monster, deliberately refusing to report Floyd's piss poor health, disgusting crimes, and general shittiness as a person.
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What do you make of Chauvin's appeal prospects?

From what limited opinions I've read on the matter, Chauvin's chances of winning an appeal (to overturn the verdicts) aren't particularly strong, but for the appeals to be granted in the first place, everything that Chauvin needed to happen, happened. (I guess getting your foot in the door is the fist step?)
 
Techpriest said:
That isn’t a tire track, but I can’t tell what that is. There’s also that this happened after he got shot, which is totally what possibly happened here, he instinctively hit the gas to get out and away. Fact is he was shot in the back, multiple times. Officers really fucked up.
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Tennessee vs Gardner says otherwise
 
Prester John said:
What do you make of Chauvin's appeal prospects?

From what limited opinions I've read on the matter, Chauvin's chances of winning an appeal (to overturn the verdicts) aren't particularly strong, but for the appeals to be granted in the first place, everything that Chauvin needed to happen, happened. (I guess getting your foot in the door is the fist step?)
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I don't think his prospects are particularly good except possibly on the motions for mistrials and for change of venue, which would effectively knock out the entire trial. I think it is possible they find that the elements of each offense are factually contradictory so only one of the convictions can stand, but unless they choose the lesser of the counts, it isn't really going to help him. He would have been sentenced concurrently anyway, in all likelihood, and sentenced for the most serious of the counts.

The only way he wins this way, I believe, is if they decide only the manslaughter conviction stands and then Noor gets reversed, changing the current rule under which Chauvin was convicted. That requires a rather convoluted set of events. Legal Insurrection has a dissection of the Noor issue.

I'm just spitballing here of course.
 
glad vlad said:
So you’re already getting pulled over, why turn a fine into an arrest?
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Either:

A. They have outstanding warrants and know they'll go to prison if they don't flee

B. They're under the influence and know they'll get arrested for it and/or their judgement is impaired

C. They're stupid and think that getting away from the cops right now means they're off the hook and no cop will ever find them again like in GTA
 
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