Science Denmark 'permanently stops' using AstraZeneca vaccine - Media reports in Denmark suggest it will become the first EU country to discontinue the Oxford University jab

https://archive.li/FmNyH

Denmark becomes world's first country to stop using AstraZeneca vaccine

Decision came after reports that European Commission will not renew contract with AstraZeneca next year

www.telegraph.co.uk

Denmark will become the first EU country to permanently discontinue use of AstraZeneca’s coronavirus vaccine, according to reports.
The decision, which follows a Tuesday statement by the Danish Medicines Agency that there was a link between the jab and blood clots, will delay Denmark’s vaccination roll out by a few weeks, Broadcaster TV 2 reported.
Denmark, which was the first country to suspend the use of the jab on March 11, has approved the Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson and Johnson vaccines. The Danish have suspended the J&J vaccine after the company halted its EU roll out on Wednesday, amid US reports it could cause blood clots.



Copenhagen received about 1.5m vaccines under the EU’s joint procurement programme and used about 1.3m doses. 202,920 of those jabs were AstraZeneca with almost 1.2m being Pfizer.
If the decision to stop using AstraZeneca completely is confirmed later today, Denmark will go further than any other EU country over the link between the jab and very rare blood clots.

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) has said that the benefits of the vaccine, which is significantly cheaper than the others and easy to story, far outweigh the health risks.
Despite that advice, some EU countries including France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Spain, the Netherlands have introduced age restrictions on the jab’s use; limiting it to the over 55s and 60s. The UK has restricted it to the over 30s.
Portugal has called on all EU countries to adopt the same over 60s only restriction as part of a common European approach.
Many European countries introduced age restrictions for the elderly over similar blood clot fears before reversing those decisions on EMA advice.

The controversies, as well as false claims in January that the jab was inefficient in older people, are thought to have hit confidence in the vaccine and people’s willingness to take it.
AstraZeneca is also embroiled in a row with the European Commission over missed delivery targets. Brussels accuses the British-Swedish pharmaceutical company of breaking its contract, which AstraZeneca denies, and blames it for the slow start to its vaccination campaign.
It has threatened to block the export of any AstraZeneca jabs from the EU until it fulfils all outstanding orders.

The commission played down reports from Italy’s La Stampa newspaper that it would not renew COVID-19 vaccine contracts with companies such as Astrazeneca and Johnson & Johnson next year.
“The European Commission, in agreement with the leaders of many (EU) countries, has decided that the contracts with the companies that produce (viral vector) vaccines that are valid for the current year will not be renewed at their expiry,” the newspaper reported.
It added that Brussels would rather focus on COVID-19 vaccines using messenger RNA (mRNA) technology, such as Pfizer’s and Moderna’s.

A commission spokesman told the Telegraph, “We keep all options open to be prepared for the next stages of the pandemic, for 2022 and beyond. We can, however, not comment on contractual issues.”
The Commission is seeking clarification from J&J about the company’s “completely unexpected” announcement of delays in COVID-19 vaccine deliveries to the EU, an EU official told Reuters on Tuesday.
AstraZeneca has been asked to comment.
------------------------------------------------
get vaxed get waxed

 

[Suburban Bastard]

lol we’re gonna beat them.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

I mean, I know this forum is fairly rabidly anti-covid-vax, and I even get a lot of the concerns.

But... The statistics I've seen on this still have it as a miniscule percentage rate. Like, going by a recent article, in an area that's had 25 million people receive at least the first dose, there have been approximately 100 reported cases of a blood clot, 19 of which were fatal. That's an incident rate of about %0.0004 and %0.000036, respectively.

 

[Arm Pit Cream]

I mean, I know this forum is fairly rabidly anti-covid-vax, and I even get a lot of the concerns.

But... The statistics I've seen on this still have it as a miniscule percentage rate. Like, going by a recent article, in an area that's had 25 million people receive at least the first dose, there have been approximately 100 reported cases of a blood clot, 19 of which were fatal. That's an incident rate of about %0.0004 and %0.000036, respectively.

Birth control actually has far higher rates of causing blood clots in general, being 1/1000 aka %0.001. It even goes up the longer you take it, one in every 100 women taking birth control over a period of 10 years experience a clot.

 

[Meat Target]

I mean, I know this forum is fairly rabidly anti-covid-vax, and I even get a lot of the concerns.

But... The statistics I've seen on this still have it as a miniscule percentage rate. Like, going by a recent article, in an area that's had 25 million people receive at least the first dose, there have been approximately 100 reported cases of a blood clot, 19 of which were fatal. That's an incident rate of about %0.0004 and %0.000036, respectively.

Could the Danish government be sued for distributing J&J? They probably wanna prevent that.

 

[Spunt]

I mean, I know this forum is fairly rabidly anti-covid-vax, and I even get a lot of the concerns.

But... The statistics I've seen on this still have it as a miniscule percentage rate. Like, going by a recent article, in an area that's had 25 million people receive at least the first dose, there have been approximately 100 reported cases of a blood clot, 19 of which were fatal. That's an incident rate of about %0.0004 and %0.000036, respectively.

Remember that in a population of 25 million people over the course of several months, you would expect a certain number of blood clots statistically anyway. I don't know what the numbers are because the article doesn't say how long Denmark has been using the AZ vaccine, but those incident rates include that background figure of people who would have developed blood clots anyway for unrelated reasons and you would have to subtract that figure from those already tiny numbers to get the incidents actually connected to the vaccine.

Denmark has a population of 5.8 million and has had 2440 deaths from Covid to date. That's an death rate of %0.04 to compare to the unadjusted blood clot rate you provided of %0.000036. Denmark hasn't been hit that hard by Covid (perhaps because doctors there prescribe Vitamin D to everyone in the winter). The equivalent figure in the UK is closer to %0.07. It's not just whether the vaccine is safe, it's whether it's safe compared to your risk of dying of Covid. Covid is statistically several orders of magnitude more likely to kill you than the vaccine, and that's not just the death rate if you catch Covid - it's the likelihood of anyone in that country dying of it, including those who don't get it at all. If you're refusing to get the vaccine because it might have a %0.000036 of killing you when the risk from Covid itself is thousands of times higher, then you're not basing your decision on a risk calculation - you're basing it on something else. Which is fine, but these people need to be honest about why they don't want the vaccine because "it's not safe" is dumb af.

Birth control actually has far higher rates of causing blood clots in general, being 1/1000 aka %0.001. It even goes up the longer you take it, one in every 100 women taking birth control over a period of 10 years experience a clot.

It's looking like the increased clot risk might be in young women taking birth control (it certainly seems to happen to women under 30 far more than any other group), suggesting that taking two medications that increase your clotting risk might make you more at risk from clotting - which is not exactly advanced science. There are studies in the work on this, the most likely outcome is to advise people that if they're taking hormonal contraceptives you should come off them before taking the AZ vaccine or take a different vaccine. That's perfectly normal for most vaccinations, they'll have a list of contra-indications and it's totally standard practice to mitigate risk in this way. But for some reason the Covid vaccines have a level of politics and conspiracy theories around them that aren't usually found outside the third world.

 

[Shining Wit]

I don't believe any of these clot panics are anything but anti-uk sabre rattling. Long flights have a colossally higher level of DVT cases and those are seen as fine. Take the L, Germany/France

 

[CharlesBarkley]

I mean, I know this forum is fairly rabidly anti-covid-vax, and I even get a lot of the concerns.

But... The statistics I've seen on this still have it as a miniscule percentage rate. Like, going by a recent article, in an area that's had 25 million people receive at least the first dose, there have been approximately 100 reported cases of a blood clot, 19 of which were fatal. That's an incident rate of about %0.0004 and %0.000036, respectively.

Yeah, it's rare. Niggas read stories like this though and it scares people.

Utah woman, 39, dies 4 days after 2nd dose of COVID-19 vaccine; autopsy now completed

kutv.com

Haley Link Brinkmeyer: Indiana woman, 28, dies 2 days after getting Covid vaccine, mother alleges conspiracy

Haley's mother Shauna allegedly spread conspiracy theories that state the vaccine was made for 'depopulation'

meaww.com

Prob unrelated deaths, but its shitty timing and circumstances. Billion times likely to die in a car crash then vaccination, but the J&J pull compared to the above with the lack of a same pull is tinfoil hat enabling shit, lol

 

[Daughter of Cernunnos]

Birth control actually has far higher rates of causing blood clots in general, being 1/1000 aka %0.001. It even goes up the longer you take it, one in every 100 women taking birth control over a period of 10 years experience a clot.

This causes a different kind of blood clot than birth control. It cuts off bloodflow to your brain, is 40 percent fatal if you get it and can't be treated like a normal bloodclot with blood thinners.

 

[LurkTrawl]

I mean, I know this forum is fairly rabidly anti-covid-vax, and I even get a lot of the concerns.

But... The statistics I've seen on this

I don't really care. At this point I'm not taking it out of spiteful opposition more than anything. As far as all of the medical concerns go, I have relatives who are concerned about potential clotting issues but it's all older folks who figure it's best to just let God sort it out.

 

[Somchai]

If you're refusing to get the vaccine because it might have a %0.000036 of killing you when the risk from Covid itself is thousands of times higher, then you're not basing your decision on a risk calculation - you're basing it on something else.

Your scope is way too narrow here. You're only comparing the risk of dying from the disease to the risk of dying in immediate connection to getting vaccinated. There are numerous other factors to take into account, both in favor of and against taking the vaccine.

One major reason to avoid the vaccines are because they have been rushed out without us having any idea of the long term effects they might have and the fact that the companies aren't liable if the vaccine does get you sick or kills you. Recall the young people who have had their lives completely disrupted or ruined by narcolepsy caused by the swine flu vaccine not too many years ago, as an example. Another factor is how hard they're pushing it, something about that makes me very uneasy.

I did make the sort of risk calculation you're talking about though when I got infected and decided to self-medicate with chloroquine, knowing it had possible side effects affecting the heart and one's eyesight. It seemed like a lot of people made a different call than me on that issue though, but it would seem to me that those people didn't base their decision on a risk calculation, but rather on something else.