The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

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Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%

  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%

  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%

  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%
  • Total voters
    992
  • Poll closed .
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Dom Cruise said:
The truth is definitely that people should get off that merry go round and reject the false dichotomy that things are that black and white, that there's only the Red Pill and Blue Pill.

Because the truth is that it's all in a fundamental way the same system of control, it's all just about control and always has been, to use The Matrix as a metaphor even further isn't that what's revealed in the second movie? That what the characters thought was "the resistance" was in fact just controlled opposition and The Machines were in control the whole time?

When we talk about the two extremes of the left and right these days, the Red Pill and the Blue Pill, both sides think there are things people shouldn't say and things people shouldn't do, there's just an argument over what those things should be, lost in all this is the idea of individual freedom.

The right certainly mirrors the left in many ways these days with how they get outraged over stuff, want to control people and so on.
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Dom Cruise said:
The truth is definitely that people should get off that merry go round and reject the false dichotomy that things are that black and white, that there's only the Red Pill and Blue Pill.

Because the truth is that it's all in a fundamental way the same system of control, it's all just about control and always has been, to use The Matrix as a metaphor even further isn't that what's revealed in the second movie? That what the characters thought was "the resistance" was in fact just controlled opposition and The Machines were in control the whole time?

When we talk about the two extremes of the left and right these days, the Red Pill and the Blue Pill, both sides think there are things people shouldn't say and things people shouldn't do, there's just an argument over what those things should be, lost in all this is the idea of individual freedom.

The right certainly mirrors the left in many ways these days with how they get outraged over stuff, want to control people and so on.
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Yeah man hits bong the universe is like, infinite.
 
god damn those arteries look terrible. I hope the jury gets a reminder of that when the defense takes a turn. We know he smoked and used drugs that damage the cardiovascular system, and probably ate a standard american diet (which is terrible for the heart), but even with all that there is probably some family history of heart disease to result in such a blockage at such a young age.

shortness of breath (SOB) is a really common symptom of serious heart problems. It isn't intuitive because you figure breathing trouble = lung and chest pain = heart, but as time went on and more data was collected heart specific testing was added to shortness of breath treatment algorithms to reduce mortality since it was such a common finding. It was more often a problem for female patients, but a fair number of men had this problem too.

I have seen people here talk about the medical examiner perhaps saying that floyd wasn't dead until at the hospital because of the legal declaration needing a physician to sign off on it- I find this extremely unlikely. The medical event of death and the legal event of death being declared almost never occur at the same time. The medical examiner makes findings about the physiological event of death and know it is distinct from the declaration. Even if you are under a doctor's care, they declare death after they give up on trying to resuscitate, not when they could be said to have stopped living. Unless you have a DNR and your doc is right there when you die, its going to be at least a few minutes apart, but it could be a lot longer. Lets say you stop breathing and your heart stops, and a team of people perform CPR for 10 minutes without any success. You're declared dead after the 10 minutes. The doc says "time of death __:__" and someone else writes down that the doctor said that, then other procedures are started. It would be more accurate to say you died 10 minutes earlier than the time declared, because that's when all your vital organs stopped functioning forever. I'm using 10 minutes as an example here, but some physicians really don't give up and end up throttling the shit out of dead people for a lot longer because they're religious or egotistical or inexperienced. A ME knows the difference. Death declaration is charting, its paperwork, its the cue for a CNA to tape the eyes shut and stick a diaper on the husk of a human being so shit doesn't leak everywhere. The medical examiner is an expert in determining the cause of physiological death, some of that is examining the time of death vs other factors using math. A 3rd party's declaration isn't very powerful evidence vs what they saw when they cut the corpse apart and crunched the numbers against lab values. It would be extraordinary for the ME as a physician to be mistaken about george floyd being alive in the ambulance. It means some positive vital sign was detected en route and recorded somewhere, or he is completely mistaken out of human error. I doubt he failed to review the info for this case before court.

re: no pills in the stomach
unless you take a time release capsule, the pill is going to dissolve very quickly into the liquids of the digestive system. Time release capsules are designed to come open at specific points in digestion, they are coated in substances that require certain chemical conditions to dissolve. Sometimes pills like this will have one half dissolve immediately and another half 6 hours later. A pill that is just pressed together (like whatever GF took) is not going to survive in the stomach to the hospital, much less while sitting in digestive juices inside a corpse. The level in blood or urine is adequate to prove ingestion took place within a given time frame and tests on stomach acid are not going to give additional information.

pwnest injun said:
At this point, I hope that Dave Chapelle is watching and knows what a faggot he is now.
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that would be amazing but I doubt it. I feel like the only person on earth that feels stupid for thinking GF obviously was being killed when I first saw the footage. Some people really cannot separate the emotional impact they felt from watching the footage from whatever factually, objectively was happening to george floyd in real life. Its like telling someone their favorite movie from childhood is shitty, or a movie that made them cry really hard actually was funny. Trying to tell people that the woman who sued because mcdonald's burned her with coffee had a good case and wasn't at all stupid is the same deal- no one wants to hear it, they cling to the impression they had. People are terrible at seeing another perspective on an emotionally charged event in general, celebrities are 1000x worse at having any perspective because they can just hire people to say whatever they want to hear.
 
Whatever the reason, people like to think Nelson is a bad lawyer for doing his job if they are sucking George Floyd's corpse dick.
 
sperginity said:
god damn those arteries look terrible. I hope the jury gets a reminder of that when the defense takes a turn. We know he smoked and used drugs that damage the cardiovascular system, and probably ate a standard american diet (which is terrible for the heart), but even with all that there is probably some family history of heart disease to result in such a blockage at such a young age.

shortness of breath (SOB) is a really common symptom of serious heart problems. It isn't intuitive because you figure breathing trouble = lung and chest pain = heart, but as time went on and more data was collected heart specific testing was added to shortness of breath treatment algorithms to reduce mortality since it was such a common finding. It was more often a problem for female patients, but a fair number of men had this problem too.

I have seen people here talk about the medical examiner perhaps saying that floyd wasn't dead until at the hospital because of the legal declaration needing a physician to sign off on it- I find this extremely unlikely. The medical event of death and the legal event of death being declared almost never occur at the same time. The medical examiner makes findings about the physiological event of death and know it is distinct from the declaration. Even if you are under a doctor's care, they declare death after they give up on trying to resuscitate, not when they could be said to have stopped living. Unless you have a DNR and your doc is right there when you die, its going to be at least a few minutes apart, but it could be a lot longer. Lets say you stop breathing and your heart stops, and a team of people perform CPR for 10 minutes without any success. You're declared dead after the 10 minutes. The doc says "time of death __:__" and someone else writes down that the doctor said that, then other procedures are started. It would be more accurate to say you died 10 minutes earlier than the time declared, because that's when all your vital organs stopped functioning forever. I'm using 10 minutes as an example here, but some physicians really don't give up and end up throttling the shit out of dead people for a lot longer because they're religious or egotistical or inexperienced. A ME knows the difference. Death declaration is charting, its paperwork, its the cue for a CNA to tape the eyes shut and stick a diaper on the husk of a human being so shit doesn't leak everywhere. The medical examiner is an expert in determining the cause of physiological death, some of that is examining the time of death vs other factors using math. A 3rd party's declaration isn't very powerful evidence vs what they saw when they cut the corpse apart and crunched the numbers against lab values. It would be extraordinary for the ME as a physician to be mistaken about george floyd being alive in the ambulance. It means some positive vital sign was detected en route and recorded somewhere, or he is completely mistaken out of human error. I doubt he failed to review the info for this case before court.

re: no pills in the stomach
unless you take a time release capsule, the pill is going to dissolve very quickly into the liquids of the digestive system. Time release capsules are designed to come open at specific points in digestion, they are coated in substances that require certain chemical conditions to dissolve. Sometimes pills like this will have one half dissolve immediately and another half 6 hours later. A pill that is just pressed together (like whatever GF took) is not going to survive in the stomach to the hospital, much less while sitting in digestive juices inside a corpse. The level in blood or urine is adequate to prove ingestion took place within a given time frame and tests on stomach acid are not going to give additional information.


that would be amazing but I doubt it. I feel like the only person on earth that feels stupid for thinking GF obviously was being killed when I first saw the footage. Some people really cannot separate the emotional impact they felt from watching the footage from whatever factually, objectively was happening to george floyd in real life. Its like telling someone their favorite movie from childhood is shitty, or a movie that made them cry really hard actually was funny. Trying to tell people that the woman who sued because mcdonald's burned her with coffee had a good case and wasn't at all stupid is the same deal- no one wants to hear it, they cling to the impression they had. People are terrible at seeing another perspective on an emotionally charged event in general, celebrities are 1000x worse at having any perspective because they can just hire people to say whatever they want to hear.
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Great Walls of Text, Batman! Please use paragraphs.
 
Meat Target said:
Conservatives rested on their laurels/Boomer nostalgia for Reagan for too long. They assumed sectors like business or the military would always be their domain, blithely unaware that the Left have been infiltrating and weaponizing those against them.
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The weird thing is that historically the military industrial complex loved the Democrats until Ronnie Raygun. The Republicans until Reagan were an isolationist style of party but it was slowly dying out. For anyone who brings up Nixon, true he did expand the war but also ended the war that JFK started. As for Eisenhower, staged many coups but could have fit in either camp as he believed in the FDR New Deal, which was considered devil worship by Republicans in that era. Given how the Democrats held the house and senate in his time, Ike won on being the victor of Europe rather than his ideas.
 
Meat Target said:
What about us in the burbs? There have been *actual* (not being sarcastic) peaceful protests just around the corner from me.
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I live in a 'burb, actually. But it's a red town and white majority with most families packing heat, so I'm pretty safe. I'll keep you in my prayers though friend. :heart-full:
 
Meat Target said:
Raygun himself was a New Deal Democrat for years.
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I wonder how better the Republicans would have been if Nixon and the GOP did not cuck and Nixon finished off his second term. Reagan and his types opposed Nixon and believed in confronting the Soviets head on unlike detente by Nixon. Sometimes I wonder if Nixon was the Trump of his era.

To win 49 states in re election and gain a greater share of the vote.

Just like Trump grew his voter base by an insane margin of new voters.

As for the Southern Strategy meme applied towards Nixon. Nixon lost the south in 1968 to a Dixiecrat and won the whole country except the shithole of Massholes in 1972.
 
i'll tell you what ultimately did for floyd: too many carbs.

guy should have had more grilled meats and less fent in his diet.
 
Damn, these twats on courtTV couldn't be any more apparent with how they want this case to go if they started jumping on the desks screeching HANDS UP DONT SHOOT while making plans to loot a target
 
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