The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

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Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%

  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%

  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%

  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%
  • Total voters
    992
  • Poll closed .
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Syaoran Li said:
It doesn't help that the neocons, fundies, and traditionalists draped themselves in patriotic affectations during the Bush years when a lot of SJW's were in their formative adolescent rebellion years.
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Conservatives rested on their laurels/Boomer nostalgia for Reagan for too long. They assumed sectors like business or the military would always be their domain, blithely unaware that the Left have been infiltrating and weaponizing those against them.
 
Oglooger said:
Not really a thing then, as traditionalism is the study of perennial wisdom and was brought back thanks to the rise in awareness of Evola and Guenon in the mid-late 2010's
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In a strictly academic sense, you're right. But most trads aren't like that at all. When I say traditionalist, I'm referring to two specific types of people.

The first are the Catholic equivalent of fundies (think Mel Gibson) and this group is sorta relevant to my previous post.

The second are edgelord Zoomers on the far right who LARP as the fundies of old and want America to be a theocracy.

But we are getting off topic, so let's move on, shall we?
 
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Dom Cruise said:
But now what has happened is a great "coalescing" among the left wing, all the different schools of thought, all the different intensities and variations, it's all now being boiled down, has coalesced into one single school of thought with one single agenda and that's "fuck America and fuck white people" aka Woke, intersectionality, SJW etc.
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You are both right and wrong.

Modern politics is very broken. The republican party is broken; the democrat party is broken.

You're wrong in that there's been a ghastly takeover within the democrats in the past 4 years where suddenly Bush wasn't that bad and Reagan had some pretty good ideas. Both of the Clintons and Obama have tapdanced along this line, but with Biden we've got someone who is planted solidly in the neocon/neolib camp. Kamala Harris is the devil.

Then you've got the Antifa wing of the party, which a charitable person might label as historically and politically ignorant but a less charitable person might consider a ChiCom glowop. Where you're right is that this wing of the party is controlling a lot of what is considered acceptable thought and dialogue.

I don't identify with either of these factions. I think they're both predicated on some really bad ideas and assumptions about human nature and what the world should be like, and put together you get even worse ideas.

People have been posting lulzy ads for cigarettes upthread, and I feel like the bastard offspring of these two forms of thought is a cigarette ad with a black tranny and the copy says that for every pack sold, a dollar will go to the Trevor Project. But behind the scenes, the cigarettes are manufactured by Dow Chemical and the United Fruit Company, so the rest of the money spent on a pack goes straight to spraying napalm on South American environmental activists. And if you mention the latter part, flying monkeys attack you for hating black trannies and unironically hoping that trans kids all 41% themselves.

We're not allowed to question the economic underpinnings of any of this, all that remains is faux-woke consoooooomerism.

If I didn't have to work tomorrow, I would start boofing now.
 
The Nameless One said:
So Floyd wasn't strangled to death by a knee on the back of his neck and he wasn't put into a blood choke. At worst, he couldn't expand his chest to breathe properly because of several different factors that, individually, were safe procedures. Additionally, he would have been fine if he hadn't had several contributing health problems including having just downed a bunch of fentanyl.

Do I have this right based on the testimony so far? As a reminder, this is just after the prosecution has finished their case.
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Yes.

Just go over the Minnesota charging text:

Murder 2 is not even an option since there is no underlying felony against Floyd committed by Chauvin.
Murder 3 with the requirement of Chauvin "evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life" with the prosecution's own witnesses already describing essentially everything in the arrest being from MPD training and even performed by themselves in their careers.
Manslaughter 2 with the requirement of Chauvin "creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death" is likewise hard to believe a jury would go for with just the admissions the defense got out of the prosecution's witnesses.

The best hope for the prosecution IMO is the jury not wanting to get murdered by a BLM/Antifa mob.

Edit: Are we really back to people shitting up the thread with irrelevant crap?
 
Plank said:
Yes.

Just go over the Minnesota charging text:

Murder 2 is not even an option since there is no underlying felony against Floyd committed by Chauvin.
Murder 3 with the requirement of Chauvin "evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life" with the prosecution's own witnesses already describing essentially everything in the arrest being from MPD training and even performed by themselves in their careers.
Manslaughter 2 with the requirement of Chauvin "creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death" is likewise hard to believe a jury would go for with just the admissions the defense got out of the prosecution's witnesses.

The best hope for the prosecution IMO is the jury not wanting to get murdered by a BLM/Antifa mob.
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And the last raises the specter of someone leaking that's WHY they did it, creating instant appeal/mistrial material.
 
KiwiFuzz said:
You are both right and wrong.

Modern politics is very broken. The republican party is broken; the democrat party is broken.
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We're not allowed to question the economic underpinnings of any of this, all that remains is faux-woke consoooooomerism.

If I didn't have to work tomorrow, I would start boofing now.


it's the jews
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fixed this for you
 
Syaoran Li said:
I'm referring to two specific types of people.

The first are the Catholic equivalent of fundies (think Mel Gibson)

The second are edgelord Zoomers on the far right who LARP as the fundies of old and want America to be a theocracy.
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Since both of these describe me (with a third leg of "dude guns lmao"), I won't be offended if you mention me by name. We're all frens here.
Syaoran Li said:
They're the kind of people who see the strawman caricature of Christianity that fedora-tipping atheists and Woke Left dangerhairs sperg on about as some kind of platonic ideal to strive towards
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For all those crazy Bible-bangers you would see in 80's and 90's, there were just as many milktoast clergy who took "judge not, lest you be judged" to a relativistic extreme, distilling the Gospel down to "you're fine just the way you are, no need to change, Jesus wuvs you, have some headpats". Think Episcopalians, United Methodists, Unitarian Universalists, or Jesuits.

The edginess is a reaction to that. Even in my parish of suburban normies, I can sense that the faithful are silently ashamed of Pope Francis and the bishops.

It's a symptom of longing for substance. Why even be Christian if you're just gonna hear the same garbage from the pulpit as you would from Reddit?

Edit: and as much as "Own the Libs" or "muh new punk rock" have become memes, it feels good. Ever read the Babylon Bee? Snopes and the NYT have gotten incredibly assravaged over it.

After decades of turning the other cheek from the likes of George Carlin or Richard Dawkins, that edginess comes from a sense of "now it's our turn to blaspheme and mock your gods. You wanted fundies to hate? You got it!"
 
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KiwiFuzz said:
You are both right and wrong.

Modern politics is very broken. The republican party is broken; the democrat party is broken.

You're wrong in that there's been a ghastly takeover within the democrats in the past 4 years where suddenly Bush wasn't that bad and Reagan had some pretty good ideas. Both of the Clintons and Obama have tapdanced along this line, but with Biden we've got someone who is planted solidly in the neocon/neolib camp. Kamala Harris is the devil.

Then you've got the Antifa wing of the party, which a charitable person might label as historically and politically ignorant but a less charitable person might consider a ChiCom glowop. Where you're right is that this wing of the party is controlling a lot of what is considered acceptable thought and dialogue.

I don't identify with either of these factions. I think they're both predicated on some really bad ideas and assumptions about human nature and what the world should be like, and put together you get even worse ideas.

People have been posting lulzy ads for cigarettes upthread, and I feel like the bastard offspring of these two forms of thought is a cigarette ad with a black tranny and the copy says that for every pack sold, a dollar will go to the Trevor Project. But behind the scenes, the cigarettes are manufactured by Dow Chemical and the United Fruit Company, so the rest of the money spent on a pack goes straight to spraying napalm on South American environmental activists. And if you mention the latter part, flying monkeys attack you for hating black trannies and unironically hoping that trans kids all 41% themselves.

We're not allowed to question the economic underpinnings of any of this, all that remains is faux-woke consoooooomerism.

If I didn't have to work tomorrow, I would start boofing now.
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The truth is definitely that people should get off that merry go round and reject the false dichotomy that things are that black and white, that there's only the Red Pill and Blue Pill.

Because the truth is that it's all in a fundamental way the same system of control, it's all just about control and always has been, to use The Matrix as a metaphor even further isn't that what's revealed in the second movie? That what the characters thought was "the resistance" was in fact just controlled opposition and The Machines were in control the whole time?

When we talk about the two extremes of the left and right these days, the Red Pill and the Blue Pill, both sides think there are things people shouldn't say and things people shouldn't do, there's just an argument over what those things should be, lost in all this is the idea of individual freedom.

The right certainly mirrors the left in many ways these days with how they get outraged over stuff, want to control people and so on.
 
Epic Fedora Man said:
You guys are so stupid. Do you actually believe George Floyd is dead? LOL.

While we are all having our tax money wasted in this clown show of a trial, George floyd had undergone a successful male-to-female transition and is now known as Annamie Paul. They moved to Toronto Canada and is no less than the political leader of the Green Party of Toronto.
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She's the leader of the Green Party of Canada, not just Toronto (although she might lose votes compared to the previous leader during the next election).
 
AnOminous said:
Agreed except I hoped Chauvin would be some weird spider demon with 8 knees, all of them on Sharpton's neck, and instead of Minecraft it was in reality.
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George Floyd isn't dead. Al Shaprton isn't a real person. You need to stop being so god-damn rude and deceptive @AnOminous

It's hard for me to post whrn you're pretending to be a real lawyer all the time, fucking jackass.
 
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Throwing Romans said:
it's the jews
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Meat Target said:
For all those crazy Bible-bangers you would see in 80's and 90's, there were just as many milktoast clergy who took "judge not, lest you be judged" to a relativistic extreme, distilling the Gospel down to "you're fine just the way you are, no need to change, Jesus wuvs you, have some headpats". Think Episcopalians, United Methodists, Unitarian Universalists, or Jesuits.
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Porque no las dos?

I'd add the "Left Behind" crazies into the trifecta of bad thinking.

I want a foreign policy where the US isn't up in everyone else's shit and where the US doesn't feel the need to take personal responsibility for every problem on the whole planet. I had modest hopes for Trump but he doubled down on the MIC.

I want to get off foreign oil and tell everyone in the Middle East to eat shit and die. But we can't do that because reasons.

I also think we should stop fucking around in Latin America so people can stay in their own countries, but again, we can't do that because reasons.

Maybe just a little boofing to take the edge off.
 
Lil Weed Lova said:
Nigger, have you even made a single post about the hearing itself or do you go out of your way to wait until it's over to start doing this shit?
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I have, but I'm talking about the climate this trial is happening in and what the impact it could have could be.

But I have been referencing it directly, for example I said that if Chauvin walks it could lead the left to start opening advocating for an unequal justice system towards white people.

This trial isn't happening in a vacuum, I'm interested in how and why this trial and it's outcome could have a major on the impact on the future of our country, how did we get here?

But my impression with the trial itself is that Chauvin is probably going to walk, as is always the case with this bullshit be it Rodney King, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown and now George Floyd, there's always an inconvenient truth they leave out to spin a narrative, if Chauvin is found guilty then that may be evidence the US Justice system is already a kangaroo court.

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George Floyd isn't dead. Al Shaprton isn't a real person. You need to stop being so god-damn rude and deceptive @AnOminous

It's hard for me to post whrn you're pretending to be a real lawyer all the time, fucking jackass.
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Why do you like Mega Man helmets so much? (yes, I know it's not Mega Man's helmet, it's some other character)
 
Are the asians making strategies to fend off the nigger zerg rush? Because they don't have that much time to diddle daddle.
 
Niggernerd said:
Are the asians making strategies to fend off the nigger zerg rush? Because they don't have that much time to diddle daddle.
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Not asian, but I'm so fucking glad I live in a white town in bumfuck nowhere right now. Feel bad for my city bros.
 
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