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My knowledge of it comes from anime where it's referring to a specific kind of character based on their style of dress taking inspiration from Victorian/Edwardian fashion. Usually divided into Lolita and Gothic Lolita. Shows that might give you an example of what I mean are things like Rozen Maiden. Some specific characters being Ranko from Idolmasters, Victorique from Gosick, and Kuroneko from Oreimo.

It's most commonly found in Japan as a subgenre of fashion alongside stuff like gyaru/visual kei/Yankee/etc. Just one of the more popular ones to makes its way outside of Japan.
Ehhh not so much talking about anime here. IRL Lolita fashion is very much a girls club. It is specifically about the clothing and the looks and, as ForbiddenVelma said, it is an extremely judgy and expensive subculture. Its like.... the extreme femme clothing version of a Warhammer 40k collector.

All this to say that its not really meant to be sexualized and even though im not a part of that subculture by any means (too broke for that shit lol), something about AGPs invading such a peak femme space with their lazy disgusting coomer selves makes my skin crawl.

(To be fair there ARE some trans women out there who are legit into the fashion and are androgynous and well groomed enough to actually pull it off but lord knows they arent the ones complaining here)
 
Tell me they called the ex-prostitutes "whorephobes" (holy shit guys, "whorephobia" is in the Grammarly dictionary!!!!!!) while beating them? That would be the cherry on top.

(Incidentally, have you noticed how many online/computer dictionaries change to current troon lingo? I give them a clever point for that one. Just let the computer fix all your mistakes, and it changes public speech on the topic.)
I'm sure the hullabaloo this past summer about dictionary dot com's tweet "beware the TERF " made this thread hundreds of pages ago
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But honestly it was some bullshit cause a God damn dictionary should have neutral information on such topics without taking an obvious position for twitter asspats. Thats the point of a dictionary or database and this type of shit does change public speech around the issues, exactly as you say. The official definition is appropriate imo and even designates the term as "disparaging" which is kind of remarkable to me since troons be slinging the word around pretending like its not a spiteful, loaded accusation.

Whorephobia is about 10bajillion times more retarded as a word and concept though and I wish it would disappear. There's so many real criticisms of SJW bullshit, so many discussions that need to happen, and legalities that need to be carefully parsed out. But some danger hair tranny faggot on reddit can just screech WHOREPHOBE at you and suddenly it's your own problem that prostitution is highly exploitative and dangerous for millions of women across the planet. Yeah, fuck those retards for wanting to discuss the entire scope of a subject beyond the .1% of happy hookers in wealthy cities and Twitch thots.

Lol 🎩
 
"It's not that I look like shit dressed in a doily, you are a transphobic body shamer!"
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There is a potential goldmine to be struck because this just sounds so hilarious, and I was not disappointed by a cursory google search:

Open question, largerly directed to retarded troons.

How do you plan to address the rampant disgust and apathy we feel towards you? Do you understand that outside of the media, tumblerinas, blue check marks and "philantropists" that finance your stupid "movement" nobody gives a fuck about you? Most of you are ugly, useless and annoying. We'd actually be happy if you weren't around us. If you could finally shut up, some feminists might actually focus their energy on actualy oppression, like the disproportionate abortion of young girls in Armenia or FGM.

How do you address the fact that you are an additional burden on your healthcare system, which is already burdened by many other things (even if those ones are at least somewhat understandable)? Can you understand that a person like me isn't all too glad to pay for your shitty hormones and professionally performed mutilations? It would be one thing if you actually had a job, but we know that working and troonerism hasn't the highest positive correlation. And if you actually are working it's mostly as ugly prostitutes for desperate men and even then you don't pay any taxes!

How do you address the emotional labour non-mutilated people have to do because of your insanity? Can you understand the trauma we feel? Every other day a new ugly troon with a stinkditch on a magazine's cover, your retarded tweets we stumble upon, the disproportionate amount of news coverage you get, even though most of you contribute nothing to society (No, shitty anime fanart doesn't count, hon).
 
Really irks me that everytime a halfway decent character shows up in a media work, there's that one guy that goes 'BOB WAS TRANS THE WHOLE TIME',
The zeal of the convert. You buy a blue car, and suddenly you notice blue cars everywhere.

Now replace the car with hair. Simple as.
 
there ARE some trans women out there who are legit into the fashion and are androgynous and well groomed enough to actually pull it off
No.
But honestly it was some bullshit cause a God damn dictionary should have neutral information on such topics without taking an obvious position for twitter asspats. Thats the point of a dictionary or database and this type of shit does change public speech around the issues, exactly as you say.
Neutrality is unfortunately passé. There seems to be this idea that because neutrality is difficult and can never be perfectly done, the concept must be abandoned altogether and we should all just strive for extreme opinionation instead. It's stupid. Just because something is hard doesn't mean you should give up.
 
Femboy fishing, trans trainspotting... What's next?
he's trans now
They took down the tweet before I could archive it
but they basically said they wished they could change their channel to "trans girl fishing"
but they are worried since their family watches the channel

It happened again boys


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Ehhh not so much talking about anime here. IRL Lolita fashion is very much a girls club. It is specifically about the clothing and the looks and, as ForbiddenVelma said, it is an extremely judgy and expensive subculture. Its like.... the extreme femme clothing version of a Warhammer 40k collector.

All this to say that its not really meant to be sexualized and even though im not a part of that subculture by any means (too broke for that shit lol), something about AGPs invading such a peak femme space with their lazy disgusting coomer selves makes my skin crawl.

(To be fair there ARE some trans women out there who are legit into the fashion and are androgynous and well groomed enough to actually pull it off but lord knows they arent the ones complaining here)
Read "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov. The whole Lolita scene is creepy and sexualised.

And troons never come close to looking like females. Even the clean, well groomed, troon has man hands, male proportions and other clues (voice, adam's apple etc) that give them away every time.
 
Neutrality is unfortunately passé.
You seem to be grasping at a larger point

But I don't think neutrality itself is unpopular. I think the concept has been muddied by years, and years, of misuse and fraud, When you think 'neutral' you think of waffling politicians or South Park hair-splitting. But that's another topic.
 
'Lolita' is actually the name of a book written by Vladimir Nabokov about a man's sexual interest in a 12 year old girl who he nicknames "Lolita."
I'm well aware of that fact. I cant particularly give any insight into why the Japanese thought naming the style after the book was a good idea, but I'd imagine its because Japan is Japan.

Also, as an aside, I belive Nabokov was well aware of how creepy the protagonist of Lolita is, and I daresay the character's projection of pedophilic desires onto a child is the disquieting point of the book. Almost like the crossing of a character study and a criminal profile. I don't think Nabokov was a pedophile, for if he was he wouldn't have written a book about a delusional creep being prosecuted for the crime.
When you think 'neutral' you think of waffling politicians or South Park hair-splitting.
Maybe you do, but I don't. When I think of "neutral" I think of the scientific pursuits and I think of the court of law. Unfortunately, neither are quite as neutral as they once were or ought to have been.
 
'Lolita' is actually the name of a book written by Vladimir Nabokov about a man's sexual interest in a 12 year old girl who he nicknames "Lolita."

Read "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov. The whole Lolita scene is creepy and sexualised.

And troons never come close to looking like females. Even the clean, well groomed, troon has man hands, male proportions and other clues (voice, adam's apple etc) that give them away every time.

My dude are you trolling or just bein autistic? Part of the Lolita fashion culture is the lampshading of how femme looks are sexualized, but its also about taking that identity back and dressing up for the fun of it and for the clout within ones communuty. The name and its origins are rather satirical.

Dolores Haze was a tomboy who would have hated lolita fashion. If she had suffered the sexual abuse she did in a modern setting she probably woulda trooned out too. But instead she got away from her abuser, made peace with herself, and found a mostly normal adult life. I wish more trans men had the courage to do that.
 
(To be fair there ARE some trans women out there who are legit into the fashion and are androgynous and well groomed enough to actually pull it off but lord knows they arent the ones complaining here)
Yeah I was gonna call you out here but then I remembered all the really good Gothic Lolita dudes are Japanese cross-dressers. Like Manna and that guy who wrote Nambaka. They're makeup wizards that put hella effort into looking pretty.
 
Did this nibba also convert to judaism?
Can HRT do that to a nose?
The nose is depressingly the same, but the facial fat redistribution and godawful eyeliner now draw extra focus to it.
Read "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov. The whole Lolita scene is creepy and sexualised.
Oh lol even I know enough not to say that.
I'm well aware of that fact. I cant particularly give any insight into why the Japanese thought naming the style after the book was a good idea, but I'd imagine its because Japan is Japan.
As you say, this is the Japanese, who call headbands "kachusha" - after Anna Karerina, the fictional Tolstoy character who suicides by train. Who knows how or why they do this shit.
Dolores Haze was a tomboy who would have hated lolita fashion. If she had suffered the sexual abuse she did in a modern setting she probably woulda trooned out too. But instead she got away from her abuser, made peace with herself, and found a mostly normal adult life. I wish more trans men had the courage to do that.
You and I read an entirely different book then, because in the Lolita I read, Dolores falls into the clutches of a different abuser and becomes pregnant out of wedlock by him.

The novel starts with Humbert Humbert discovering the very pregnant Dolores, and dismayed that his paedo fantasy was ruined, murders the baby father.
 
This "meme" popped up on my timeline today
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It's just a reference to some song lyrics (unrelated to LGBT), but my god does it come across as threatening/creepy.
e: The original image was edited to reference a song with the "watching your every move" text. Here's the original for clarity:
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The nose is depressingly the same, but the facial fat redistribution and godawful eyeliner now draw extra focus to it.

Oh lol even I know enough not to say that.

As you say, this is the Japanese, who call headbands "kachusha" - after Anna Karerina, the fictional Tolstoy character who suicides by train. Who knows how or why they do this shit.

You and I read an entirely different book then, because in the Lolita I read, Dolores falls into the clutches of a different abuser and becomes pregnant out of wedlock by him.

The novel starts with Humbert Humbert discovering the very pregnant Dolores, and dismayed that his paedo fantasy was ruined, murders the baby father.
Nooo, it doesnt start with that. It starts with us learning Humbert Humbert died awaiting his murder trial. As far as I remember Dolly was pregnant with her husband - a deaf mechanic Schiller. Quilty was her abductor and pimp.
 
My dude are you trolling or just bein autistic? Part of the Lolita fashion culture is the lampshading of how femme looks are sexualized, but its also about taking that identity back and dressing up for the fun of it and for the clout within ones communuty. The name and its origins are rather satirical.

Dolores Haze was a tomboy who would have hated lolita fashion. If she had suffered the sexual abuse she did in a modern setting she probably woulda trooned out too. But instead she got away from her abuser, made peace with herself, and found a mostly normal adult life. I wish more trans men had the courage to do that.
I wish trans men had the courage to be the gender non conforming women they are.
 
This "meme" popped up on my timeline today
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It's just a reference to some song lyrics (unrelated to LGBT), but my god does it come across as threatening/creepy.
e: The original image was edited to reference a song with the "watching your every move" text. Here's the original for clarity:
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I literally do not know anyone who is trans in any of my friend groups.
 
Did she chop her tits off already.
Yes. Titties go farewell.
She's probably just wearing a binder, but it would be horrifying if she's chopped her tits off already...
so, what's this book all about?
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ah, okay.
"WEREWOLF TERRORISM" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. What an amazing phrase.
Whorephobia is about 10bajillion times more retarded as a word and concept though and I wish it would disappear. There's so many real criticisms of SJW bullshit, so many discussions that need to happen, and legalities that need to be carefully parsed out. But some danger hair tranny faggot on reddit can just screech WHOREPHOBE at you and suddenly it's your own problem that prostitution is highly exploitative and dangerous for millions of women across the planet. Yeah, fuck those retards for wanting to discuss the entire scope of a subject beyond the .1% of happy hookers in wealthy cities and Twitch thots.
"Whorephobia" is simultaneously the worst possible word they could have chosen as well as the best possible word they could have chosen. I approve.
 
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