American Impeachment/25th Amendment Watch 2021 - If, at first, you don't convict, try, try again

[Rich Evans Apologist]

I did, it was an interesting story of actions that regularly take place in an election year in countries like Russia, or Egypt. Particularly the deliberate, coordinated control of information and the changing of election rules in an election year for the benefit of one side

Okay. Show me what you mean from the text here. Just quote the sections that support your assertion.

 

[draggs]

Okay. Show me what you mean from the text here. Just quote the sections that support your assertion.

This, on the other hand, is not interesting at all.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

This, on the other hand, is not interesting at all.

Is there a different article that people are saying is "proof" of the conspiracy ala OJ's book?

 

[Extreme Aneurysm]

Yes, nothing's true and everything's fake. All primary sources are fake, and there's no evidence whatsoever of gays, women, blacks, asians, hispanics, the irish, the german, the italians, the polish, catholics, muslims, jews, and so-on and so-forth facing discrimination or being "outside" the cultural mainstream getting back in over the course of time.

What a smart take - guess you should just give up, then. Everything's pointless, dude, bummer. Alternative thesis: you lost, suck it up, change your strat, git gud.

Yes. And his own party turned out. All 30% of the VEP of 'em, which on its face is on level with the dems. He was a president with record-bottom lows among his opposing party, who turned out in droves much the same regardless of the fact that Biden was uninspiring and lackluster. Ohio and Florida no longer reflect the country's demography like they did in 2010 or the censuses before then, which I've previously tracked by comparing their demographic shift year over year relative to the country on the whole; bellweathers are not causal. I also don't really understand the coattails idea - Trump has coattails in red districts, but he got slaughtered in the purple districts in 2018. Many republicans just narrowly scraped ahead in 2020 thanks to the "defund the police" retardation.

Turns out that turnout was sky-high everywhere because voting by mail greatly simplifies the process, and it's reflected in virtually every state among every voter base. I don't imagine that you looked at how the vote went in LA, NYC, San Fran, Seattle, or so-on so I'm not sure what 'demographically identical cities' you're talking about. Are you really going to compare Houston or Miami to Philly or Atlanta?

Welcome to your first election loss, kid, it happens. You've got two years to get over the cope to make some moves, on the bright side.

You didn't read that story beyond the headline.

By all means, don't vote in 2022 or 2024. We could use less gullible retards in the body politic. I'd prefer a competent opposition to the DNC's retardation, but it's abundantly clear that the Trump team was so invested in their emotionally fragile father figure that they're unfit to be that opposition.

You got none of your major goals accomplished which couldn't be immediately revoked by the Biden administration other than ryan's tax bill, and you've so thoroughly ruined genuine criticism of mail-in ballots, calls for transparency in electoral systems, and calls to update our shonky and outdated electoral system's infrastructure on the whole that they're functionally going to be uncontested and continue to rot. Even something a simple as keeping the DNC well and truly unable to pack the SCOTUS in the senate was apparently too hard for team Trump (the literal single reason I voted for that idiot) -- so let someone with a bit more sense and character represent your bloc's interests. Or don't, and keep throwing rattles and screaming at culture war nonsense that you will continue to lose at, over and over again, because you keep using the exact same strategies.

Well, I know you saw it on the internet, so it must be true, but could it be that someone fed you a retarded premise and you did literally nothing to check the claim?
Couldn't be; you're a very smart person who always does the research. You could definitely deboonk this reuters deboonking with hard facts and numbers. Show me.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

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Deters me as much as it did before, I'm afraid. Truly, no-one could ever want to make fun of the internet's gypsies.

Would a little brevity kill you?

To save space,
Not nearly as much as a little reading would kill you.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

Yes, nothing's true and everything's fake. All primary sources are fake, and there's no evidence whatsoever of gays, women, blacks, asians, hispanics, the irish, the german, the italians, the polish, catholics, muslims, jews, and so-on and so-forth facing discrimination or being "outside" the cultural mainstream getting back in over the course of time.

What a smart take - guess you should just give up, then. Everything's pointless, dude, bummer. Alternative thesis: you lost, suck it up, change your strat, git gud.

Yes. And his own party turned out. All 30% of the VEP of 'em, which on its face is on level with the dems. He was a president with record-bottom lows among his opposing party, who turned out in droves much the same regardless of the fact that Biden was uninspiring and lackluster. Ohio and Florida no longer reflect the country's demography like they did in 2010 or the censuses before then, which I've previously tracked by comparing their demographic shift year over year relative to the country on the whole; bellweathers are not causal. I also don't really understand the coattails idea - Trump has coattails in red districts, but he got slaughtered in the purple districts in 2018. Many republicans just narrowly scraped ahead in 2020 thanks to the "defund the police" retardation.

Turns out that turnout was sky-high everywhere because voting by mail greatly simplifies the process, and it's reflected in virtually every state among every voter base. I don't imagine that you looked at how the vote went in LA, NYC, San Fran, Seattle, or so-on so I'm not sure what 'demographically identical cities' you're talking about. Are you really going to compare Houston or Miami to Philly or Atlanta?

Welcome to your first election loss, kid, it happens. You've got two years to get over the cope to make some moves, on the bright side.

You didn't read that story beyond the headline.

By all means, don't vote in 2022 or 2024. We could use less gullible retards in the body politic. I'd prefer a competent opposition to the DNC's retardation, but it's abundantly clear that the Trump team was so invested in their emotionally fragile father figure that they're unfit to be that opposition.

You got none of your major goals accomplished which couldn't be immediately revoked by the Biden administration other than ryan's tax bill, and you've so thoroughly ruined genuine criticism of mail-in ballots, calls for transparency in electoral systems, and calls to update our shonky and outdated electoral system's infrastructure on the whole that they're functionally going to be uncontested and continue to rot. Even something a simple as keeping the DNC well and truly unable to pack the SCOTUS in the senate was apparently too hard for team Trump (the literal single reason I voted for that idiot) -- so let someone with a bit more sense and character represent your bloc's interests. Or don't, and keep throwing rattles and screaming at culture war nonsense that you will continue to lose at, over and over again, because you keep using the exact same strategies.

Well, I know you saw it on the internet, so it must be true, but could it be that someone fed you a retarded premise and you did literally nothing to check the claim?
Couldn't be; you're a very smart person who always does the research. You could definitely deboonk this reuters deboonking with hard facts and numbers. Show me.

Would a little brevity kill you?

 

[Absolutego]

You're right, fags and women and brownies and pastafuckers and potatoniggers never managed to get anywhere because they were locked out of the major businesses and institutions at periods in history. Or you're a bunch of whiny retards who can't take the fact that you slipped out of cultural hegemony and you don't get to say whatever you feel like without blowback anymore.
You know the rules of the game, and they've been pretty clear for close to a decade now; you could play two steps ahead of your opponents, but instead you'd rather tantrum and walk right into the pitfalls. As you cry about how oppressed you are and how hard you've got it. Yes, truly, no one in the history of the US has ever had it worse, and no-one's ever grit their teeth and kept their head down through cultural turbulence to come out on top; you're much too superior of people to do that.

I've seen more people here beating off to the idea of civil war than to the idea of outplaying their autistically-screeching opponents. A year of riots that managed to get almost everyone agitated and annoyed with them, and you managed to be so obnoxious and ineffective in seizing the moment that now it's completely lost. Top job.

"Turnabout is fair play" has never been the message sold to those being asked to be more accepting of the "tolerant and diverse" future, and I'd suggest you stop normalizing it unless you actually want a return to IRL ethnic strife in this multiethnic republic.

 

[BenisinbaginaII]

I don't have the opportunity to watch right now. Did Trump manage to corral his jews to put up a decent show this time around?

 

[TheJelqster]

Is there a different article that people are saying is "proof" of the conspiracy ala OJ's book?

Yo, what do I see?

The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election

For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions

time.com

Secret Cabals, fucking election laws and controlling the flow information, uh-oh, Yo!

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

"Turnabout is fair play" has never been the message sold to those being asked to be more accepting of the "tolerant and diverse" future, and I'd suggest you stop normalizing it unless you actually want a return to IRL ethnic strife in this multiethnic republic.

Yes, the 1970s race riots were really the thing that unshackled blacks from jim crow. And I've definitely been urging people to go to civil war, rather than to stop whining when comparing themselves to jews in the holocaust gets them negative blowback.

Like, let's take this thread's topic, impeachment. Know what's a good strategy for impeachment right now? Pointing out that it's a complete fucking sham and waste of time, that it's all political grandstanding and theater being done by scum-sucking swamp creatures who are virtually all corrupt and inefficient. That resonates. People feel that. The dems look petty and stupid. You work on these little agreements, start building a broader coalition. "Drain the swamp" was a great, fucking genius line that you should run with again. Just don't make the Exxon exec secretary of state next time if you do.

What's a bad strategy? Whining that Trump is a good boy who dindu nuffin, that the capitol hill protesters dindu nuffin, sperging about the BLM riots, or that democrats are going to somehow sit in complete hegemony now and forever and that we're going to be just like the GDR. You look like sore losers.

Yo, what do I see?

The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election

For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions

time.com

Secret Cabals, fucking election laws and controlling the flow information, uh-oh, Yo!

Alright, let's see if you read the article I linked right at the top of this page since the other guy didn't.

Okay. Show me what you mean from the text here. Just quote the sections that support your assertion.

 

[TheJelqster]

Alright, let's see if you read the article I linked right at the top of this page since the other guy didn't.

I can pull more from the article, including how they were setting up protests across cities just in case Trump challenged the election.

 

[Caustic Gelatin]

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I mean it is a decent Copypasta. Its no "navy seals" but i'd give it a solid 6/10.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

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I can pull more from the article, including how they were setting up protests across cities just in case Trump challenged the election.

Yep, flowery language in a front-page spread article. So where's the part where you can point to and say that they weren't fortifying it; they were rigging it?
Pull up more in your same post, just edit it and put it under a spoiler tag to save some space.
And yes, setting up protests in case he challenged it is evidence that a PAC was doing PAC things, given that protests have no bearing on judicial procedure or the electoral college.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

After the impeachment fails, I'm sure the Democrats will call for a variant of China's social credit score as a way of tracking down "extremists" and "holding them accountable." We're almost there - all they need is a way to link people's online social media identities to their real life identities, which is trivially easy with the cooperation of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. They already have algorithms that identify conservatives based on what they like and post. Government and Big Tech are already about 80% of the way there, all they need to do is close that last gap.

 

[draggs]

Is there a different article that people are saying is "proof" of the conspiracy ala OJ's book?

Sullen and demandy Rich is only interesting when it is because Mike stole your diabetes medicine. The article details multiple initiatives that are regularly denounced when some country the United States doesn't like does them, but you're having diabetic mood swings right now and I don't want to make you more unstable.

 

[Sneed's Feed And Seed]

After the impeachment fails, I'm sure the Democrats will call for a variant of China's social credit score as a way of tracking down "extremists" and "holding them accountable." We're almost there - all they need is a way to link people's online social media identities to their real life identities, which is trivially easy with the cooperation of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. They already have algorithms that identify conservatives based on what they like and post. Government and Big Tech are already about 80% of the way there, all they need to do is close that last gap.

Remember that Blizzard did that Real ID thing, then sold out to China. Lot of vidya players are shitposters. I know correlation isn't causation, buuuuuut...

 

[TheJelqster]

Yep, flowery language in a front-page spread article. So where's the part where you can point to and say that they weren't fortifying it; they were rigging it?

Gee, I ddn't know using blatant big tech censorship in conjection with progressive congressional leadership as a way to control information sounds kinda illegal and borderline rigging, don't we have a bill of rights for this? Or does that apply to the victors, because I sure as hell don't see it being applied to them.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Gotta be fucking kidding me.

Trump’s lawyers use selectively edited videos to try to repaint ex-president as peaceful

Attorneys play compilation of Democrats using the word ‘fight’

currently.att.yahoo.com

https://archive.md/YQLcm

 

[NyQuilninja]

There's videos Senior democratic leaders talking about inciting violence and riots but that's a right wing conspiracy perpetrated by the evil white trump supporters
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[Rich Evans Apologist]

Gee, I ddn't know using blatant big tech censorship in conjection with progressive congressional leadership as a way to control information sounds kinda illegal and borderline rigging, don't we have a bill of rights for this? Or does that apply to the victors, because I sure as hell don't see it being applied to them.

If you're new to politics, you might want to look into these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

Congress got $2b for election funding, which is good. That's more official poll observers, more money for the polls, better equipment & rollout, and a paper trail.
Beyond that, you're talking about this:

Spoiler: excerpt

Beyond battling bad information, there was a need to explain a rapidly changing election process. It was crucial for voters to understand that despite what Trump was saying, mail-in votes weren’t susceptible to fraud and that it would be normal if some states weren’t finished counting votes on election night.

Dick Gephardt, the Democratic former House leader turned high-powered lobbyist, spearheaded one coalition. “We wanted to get a really bipartisan group of former elected officials, Cabinet secretaries, military leaders and so on, aimed mainly at messaging to the public but also speaking to local officials–the secretaries of state, attorneys general, governors who would be in the eye of the storm–to let them know we wanted to help,” says Gephardt, who worked his contacts in the private sector to put $20 million behind the effort.

Wamp, the former GOP Congressman, worked through the nonpartisan reform group Issue One to rally Republicans to the effort. “We thought we should bring some bipartisan element of unity around what constitutes a free and fair election,” Wamp says. The 22 Democrats and 22 Republicans on the National Council on Election Integrity met on Zoom at least once a week. They ran ads in six states, made statements, wrote articles and alerted local officials to potential problems. “We had rabid Trump supporters who agreed to serve on the council based on the idea that this is honest,” Wamp says. This is going to be just as important, he told them, to convince the liberals when Trump wins. “Whichever way it cuts, we’re going to stick together.”

The Voting Rights Lab and IntoAction created state-specific memes and graphics, spread by email, text, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok, urging that every vote be counted. Together, they were viewed more than 1 billion times. Protect Democracy’s election task force issued reports and held media briefings with high-profile experts across the political spectrum, resulting in widespread coverage of potential election issues and fact-checking of Trump’s false claims. The organization’s tracking polls found the message was being heard: the percentage of the public that didn’t expect to know the winner on election night gradually rose until by late October, it was over 70%. A majority also believed that a prolonged count wasn’t a sign of problems. “We knew exactly what Trump was going to do: he was going to try to use the fact that Democrats voted by mail and Republicans voted in person to make it look like he was ahead, claim victory, say the mail-in votes were fraudulent and try to get them thrown out,” says Protect Democracy’s Bassin. Setting public expectations ahead of time helped undercut those lies.

These are what's called PACs. Zach Wamp served from 1995-2011. He was not in office while engaging with these PACs. Further, the PAC's messaging was as regards mail-in voting information, such as the fact that votes mailed on the 3rd would not necessarily be fully counted by midnight on the third; the PAC's reasoning for why they felt it was necessary to try to distribute this information literally happened, so I'd say their concern was accurate.

This also means that in no way shape or form does any of this cross the first amendment; the government had nothing to do with it.