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first off, that’s not chemical castration. We have chemical castration and honestly, it more closely resembles what trans folks willingly put themselves through with puberty blockers and hormones than this. I also doubt something like this will ever be in pill form. We can’t fix anorexia like that, or any other addiction really. But it’s a pity the study was shut down since the people involved would likely have known what they were signing up for






150 minutes per day for 2 years, nothing special about that. Just like a woman's vagina. Didn't you know your female colleagues are all walking around with a 38mm stick up their muff a few hours per day?

This implies they also make the deepest neovags. Let that sink in for a while. But not too deep.
I don’t think they can walk around with it. I think this is three hours a day where you’re on your back holding it in with your hand. Its mentioned in that schedule to keep your hand steady. It’s not like it’s completely insertable either. If you do need time off to do this, how do you work? Do you go home every lunch to dilate? That must be extremely difficult.
I imagine the situation went something like this: Someone who underwent the surgery had hair in there, and went to the electrolysis place to get it removed. The staff were probably confused as hell, the trans person probably had a tantrum and demanded electrolysis, so the staff kluged up some way to actually get the hair out.

A lot of beauty clinics are staffed by ladies from southeast Asia with an okay command of English, and they may not have known how to get or use a speculum. No matter where the staff was from, I don't imagine they were trained to remove hair from a weird, surgically-created hole.

I bet the whole situation was awkward and horrifying as hell for the staff.

I'd bet a speculum wouldn't work because it would cover the sides where the hair was.
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They're used to access the cervix, at the very end of the vagina, not to really expose the vaginal walls. So with stinkditches, you'd only get the hairs at the very end of the flesh tube.

Of course this also assumes that said stinkditch has been dialated so that a speculum can even fit. If you haven't had sex/been penetrated before, just getting a pap smear is pretty uncomfortable. If you have a rigid tube of scarring I doubt you'd even be able to open it if you could get it in in the first place.
This all makes sense and I concur. Also, hair in the vagina sounds painful.

Our pal Eva seems perturbed that groomers are charging to groom.
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Don't worry bud. It won't be long until you're out there grifting.
This is actually pretty sad. I don’t really buy the concept of “emotional labor” (it seems to boil down to not being an asshole) but whenever I see people complaining about it they are usually talking about people from an outside group. Like a black person might not want to discuss the history of racism in their field with a Rando white co-worked but might be more comfortable discussing it with another black co-worker.

What I’ve never seen is someone refusing to mentor people who are going through the same thing they are going through. People just do this naturally. Mothers don’t charge each other for advice, and young people entering a field can usually find someone with the time to mentor them. That this person is charging for this is kinda sick.
 
No u/ImOswin you are NOT fucking 38 years old!
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Being one of the first "Biden Babes" ...such an honor.
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This is what the feminine mystique is all about. Please lemme smash.
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I imagine the situation went something like this: Someone who underwent the surgery had hair in there, and went to the electrolysis place to get it removed. The staff were probably confused as hell, the trans person probably had a tantrum and demanded electrolysis, so the staff kluged up some way to actually get the hair out.

A lot of beauty clinics are staffed by ladies from southeast Asia with an okay command of English, and they may not have known how to get or use a speculum. No matter where the staff was from, I don't imagine they were trained to remove hair from a weird, surgically-created hole.

I bet the whole situation was awkward and horrifying as hell for the staff.
Can you even do electrolysis for something...internal?
No u/ImOswin you are NOT fucking 38 years old!
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I don’t understand how Oswin looks so awful.


This lady is an older lesbian who ran for office near me, and she was born in 1958! And I don’t think she’s that youthful looking, just not...grotesque. And Oswin can’t be much over 40 if that kid is her biological child. 2F6DC61A-D6E7-4166-8CB3-E04A54E5A777.jpeg
 
Can you even do electrolysis for something...internal?

I don’t understand how Oswin looks so awful.


This lady is an older lesbian who ran for office near me, and she was born in 1958! And I don’t think she’s that youthful looking, just not...grotesque. And Oswin can’t be much over 40 if that kid is her biological child.View attachment 1899372
I dont understand the bit about Oswin's child. Do you have a picture of her kid?
 
"fuck your white nationalism!"

What do terfs have to do with White Nationalism? A big portion of terfs are in Non-White communities. Lel he's just trying to connect completely unrelated things just because they're considered bad. Might aswel go to the next level then: "Fuck you terfs! Fuck your raping! Fuck your genocides! Fuck your baby eating!"



It is forever, here's the schedule of dr chettawut, so straight from the horses mouth:



Notice the last sentence: "vaginal dilation is lifetime"
Plays into the Tumblr myth that every culture that didn't follow Abrahamic religions was super into trans rights. Or just the generic belief that every non-woke idea on the internet traces back to /pol/ tards and the stormfags who indoctrinated them, just like how every woke idea comes from the Frankfurt School.

It makes some twisted sense, Nazism is all about biological differences between humans, so obviously if you point out that a troon isn't a woman just because he says so you're being a biological essentialist, which leads to Nazism in the same way accepting the "Noble Savage" mythology about native Americans leads you to communism (allegedly).
 
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-Children should not be permitted to consent to surgeries and hormones that may end up ruining their lives if they regret it. They're still developing physically and mentally. If kids cannot have alcohol until they're 18 (or 21 in the US), why should they be allowed to make drastically and potentially harmful choices to their own bodies? If a human brain doesn't fully develop until the age of 25, why don't they make it that the minimum age for people to transition?
-The NHS is crowded and unavailable for many other people in the UK.
-Good. Less perverts in womens' loos.
-If I recall correctly, there were only three murdered transgender individuals in the UK in 2019.
-Why? Is it because of how toxic and vicious trans activists are to dissenting opinions?
-The Labour party literally kicked out any woman disagreeing with trans ideology (many of whom were met with an onslaught of abuse) and had an MTF (Lily Madigan) as a leader for the womens' sector.
-Same as first point.
 
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Some MTF's get hair restoration treatment to deal with male hairlines but then it doesn't really do that much.

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They still look like men, holy shit. What a haul these cosmetic industries are making, with absolutely zero accountability or liability.
 
Can you even do electrolysis for something...internal?
I suspect it’s because the skin used to be on the outside and the “vaginal lining” isn’t technically internal in this case. Most of our internal bits don’t grow substantial hair (old man nose/ear hair notwithstanding) so I’m guessing it’s not really something that’s been heavily researched.
Plays into the Tumblr myth that every culture that didn't follow Abrahamic religions was super into trans rights. Or just the generic belief that every non-woke idea on the internet traces back to /pol/ tards and the stormfags who indoctrinated them, just like how every woke idea comes from the Frankfurt School.

It makes some twisted sense, Nazism is all about biological differences between humans, so obviously if you point out that a troon isn't a woman just because he says so you're being a biological essentialist, which leads to Nazism in the same way accepting the "Noble Savage" mythology about native Americans leads you to communism (allegedly).
Oh I used to get evangelical Christians calling me a racist Nazi because I accepted evolution and social Darwinism is loosely connected to that! Another coin in the jar for horseshoe theory
 
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FOUND something fascinating. The first sex change was actually performed in 1903, using the penile inversion method (something the media claim was invented in the 1950s!). On a 'pseudohermaphrodite', this person had a strange appearance from what is listed in this 1903 medical journal. Fascinating as fuck honestly.
Oh and within the notes pages, it claims that someone had done an operation similar in the 1880s. (wow)

I warn it's a fairly big article but is so interesting and there's some images, that are sorta gross but quite eye-opening.

I have re-formatted it into paragraphs for easier reading!

The patient was referred to me February 28, 1903, by the family physician living in one of the suburbs of New York, and gave the following history;

E.C., aged twenty years, born in New York State, of Irish parentage; father and mother both living, also four brothers and four sisters, all of whom, as far as she knows, are strong and well and normal in every way.

Patient has never menstruated; was strong and well till four years ago; weighed 120 pounds, but has gradually lost flesh year by year, and now weighs only 99 pounds.

She was educated in the public schools and graduated from the grammar school two years ago ; has a weak stomach and occasional attacks of indigestion.

She has never had any girl love affairs or been attracted passionately by any girl, but has been attracted by boys; says that "that thing" (the clitoris) began to develop to a noticeable degree when the hair began to develop on the pubes, fourteen to fifteen years of age; played with it some at that time and experienced pleasurable sensations therefrom; has erections at times and at first feels that it is pleasant, but eventually dis appoints and annoys her; wants to get rid of “the growth.”

In deportment the patient was somewhat shy and modest, and gave the impression that she did not care to reveal the facts she had stated, but was determined to get relief, and had decided to go through whatever ordeal was necessary to secure it. She came to my office alone, and heavily veiled to conceal the growth of hair upon her lip, face, and chin. In appearance she showed feminine taste in dress, which was neat and in good style.

PHYSICAL EXAMINATION.

- Height, 5 feet 17 / 8 inches.
- Weight, 100 pounds at present.
- Gait, feminine in character.
- Voice, feminine, with occasional male tendency.
- Hair growth on the head coarse, abundant, and black; eyebrows black and heavy, meet between the eyes
hair on upper lip well developed; on chin well developed; also strong growth in front of ears to angle of jaw. Growth is sparse between angle and chin. Chin is square and jaw heavy, otherwise face is female type; features are small; eyes are brown.
- Arms not well developed, hair growth abundant.
- Hands medium in size ; fingers square and strong , with large joints .
- Neck larger than normal for a female.
- Mammary Gland . No mammary development; neither fat nor glandular tissue, strictly male type.
- Areola dark brown and about 14 inch in extent from nipple. It is encircled by small black hairs.
- Abdomen. Longitudinal hair line well developed from one inch above umbilicus to pubic hair, which is very thick. There is no transverse abdominal hair line.
- Spine .No deformity. Lower Extremities. Hair growth excessive.
- Pelvis flaring . Measurements : Interspinal , 271 / 2 cm . ; inter crestal , 281 / 2 cm . ; external conjugate , 18 cm .
- Heart, normal.
- Lungs, normal.

On examining the genitals the enlarged clitoris with prominent glans, as shown in Fig . 1, obtruded itself and became erectile on the slightest touch.

It was surrounded with a corona of hair and surmounted on the mons veneris with a luxuriant tuft.

An excessive growth of hair covered all the surrounding parts and ex tended down on to the thighs.

The clitoris measured three inches in length and three and a half inches in circumference.

The fore skin could be drawn forward on to the glans , but retracted strongly in erection.

The clitoris was restricted in its action as in chordee hy a broad frenum, which reached from near the glans down to the under surface of the symphysis and disappeared with in a little opening one - quarter of an inch in diameter, the urogenital cleft.

A narrow strip of mucous membrane ran along the free border of the frenum as in cases of hypospadias . The clitoris was impervious and the meatus urinarius could not be discovered. Below the introitus was a broad perineum reaching to the anus.

The vaginal opening took a Peaslee sound readily to the depth of four and a half inches and the caliber of the canal seemed to enlarge at the distal end . Under bimanual manipulation with finger in the rectum no internal generative organs could be out lined except a cord - like extension from the upper end of the vagina.
(my note - the fuck?)

The patient insisted that “the growth” was a great annoyance, that it made her different from other girls, and she wanted it taken off. When asked if she preferred to be made like a man or woman, said decidedly "a woman.” Accordingly she was sent to the Polyclinic Hospital, and the operation was done March 11, 1903, in the presence of the class and some invited guests.

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Fig . 1 . (ABOVE) - Appearance before operating. The round black spot below the clitoris shows opening to vagina. From its upper border a strip of mucous membrane extended to the glans along the free border of the frenum. Mucous membrane covered the median line of perineum for two inches toward the anus; shows light in the picture.

Operation .
— With the patient under ether and the parts shaved and sterilized, by a little steady pressure I gradually insinuated my little finger into the urogenital cleft to its full length and then the index finger, being careful to dilate* rather than tear.
(*first use of the word dilate in relation to neo-vag?!?!?!)

At the depth of two and a half inches a strong constricting band of dense, resisting tissue was encountered, through which my finger was forced with difficulty. With the tissue put upon the stretch by bearing down with this finger strongly on the perineum two lateral incisions (one on either side) were made with scissors from the outer edge of the canal to and including the constricting band . The depth of these incisions went only through the vaginal sheath.

By firm pressure first with one finger in the urogenital cleft and then with two these incisions were torn deep into the tissues, resisting strands being snipped as they presented. In this way the caliber of the cleft was enlarged to a diameter of two and a half inches.

At this juncture the meatus urinarius was searched for and discovered just under the internal border of the symphysis pubis, and a catheter passed, demonstrated the position of the bladder and the presence of urine.

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Fig. 2. (ABOVE) — The clitoris after removal, the skin having been dissected.

The skin adjacent to the vulva was so harsh and bristled so with hair that it was not available for filling in the lateral gaps in the mucous membrane of the vagina.

The only apparent resource was to allow them to fill up by granulation, when suddenly the thought occurred to me, Why not use the skin covering the clitoris? This was soft and delicate and free from hair.
It was therefore decided upon.
A longitudinal incision was made along the dorsum of the clitoris and another along the ventral surface, and a circular incision just back of the corona of the glans.

These flaps were carefully dissected off down to the base of the clitoris and left attached. The base of the clitoris was transfixed inside the flap with chromic gut and cut away. ( Fig .2.) The flaps of skin with their bases still attached were drawn down into the urogenital cleft and stitched in position on either side by catgut sutures, care being taken to make them reach in as far as possible by dragging down the skin upon the mons veneris and abdomen and holding it in place by firm straps of adhesive plaster passed around under each thigh.

The clitoris measuring three and a half inches in circumference, afforded two flaps, each one and a half inches wide, growing broader at the base.
These together with the anterior and posterior strips of membrane of the cleft made a vaginal canal of goodly proportions. The strip of mucous membrane on the under surface of the frenum was saved, drawn up and stitched to the stump of the clitoris.

The purpose of this was to give support to the urethra and maintain its normal position. It also made a vestibule beneath the stump of the clitoris. The stump was covered with the skin from the mons as it was drawn down by the adhesive plaster.

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Fig.3. (ABOVE) — Glass tube in place during convalescence; the
patient's hand holds the tube. (First dilation!)

There was considerable hemorrhage from the lateral incisions, but no large vessels were incised, and what hemorrhage occurred was controlled by applications of adrenalin chlorid. The vaginal canal was packed moderately full of iodoform gauze, sufficient pressure being made to smooth out the skin flaps and bring their entire surface in contact with the underlying tissue.
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my note - exactly like SRS today, fascinating)

A self - retaining catheter was inserted into the bladder.

The dressings were removed on the fourth day and a glass tube substituted in the vagina to maintain pressure upon the flaps and secure its calibre, as shown in Fig .3.

The entire wound healed! by first intention and the patient left the hospital at the end of four weeks .Fig. 2 shows the exact size of the clitoris after being stripped of skin and removed.

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Fig .4. (ABOVE) - Photograph three weeks after operation.

Fig .4 shows the condition at the end of four weeks. The vagina closed snugly, but readily admitted two fingers and permitted of further dilatation by slight pressure. Later digital and specular examinations revealed a small cervix at the head of the vagina, which took a small sound to the depth of one and three - quarter inches. A small gland could also be made out on the left side, but it had more the feel and shape of an enlarged lymphatic, although it may be a rudimentary ovary


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TLDR - Penile inversion of a hermaphrodite in 1903. That's one for the history books.
 
Some MTF's get laser hair treatment to deal with male hairlines but then it doesn't really do that much.


How's this laser anything ? This looks like a standard hair transplant ? What's the source?

Uhh does this work for cis women with thinning hair? Asking for a friend. (It’s me)

Females don't usually qualify for typical hair transplant methods because if you have hair loss that's diagnosed and it's not one of the hair losses that are temporary you will usually have something called androgenic alopecia. Female pattern baldness can't be curbed by a transplant because it's diffuse, you're losing hair all over your head. You can buy lazer based helmets and combs that are supposed to 'help' but they're probably quack science.

Men tend to get a set pattern of hair loss where they lose what's on top but have a 'ring' around the back so it's possible to take hair from the back of the head and move it forward.
 
How's this laser anything ? This looks like a standard hair transplant ? What's the source?



Females don't usually qualify for typical hair transplant methods because if you have hair loss that's diagnosed and it's not one of the hair losses that are temporary you will usually have something called androgenic alopecia. Female pattern baldness can't be curbed by a transplant because it's diffuse, you're losing hair all over your head. You can buy lazer based helmets and combs that are supposed to 'help' but they're probably quack science.

Men tend to get a set pattern of hair loss where they lose what's on top but have a 'ring' around the back so it's possible to take hair from the back of the head and move it forward.
I misnamed it so I edited it in the OP.
 
I suspect it’s because the skin used to be on the outside and the “vaginal lining” isn’t technically internal in this case. Most of our internal bits don’t grow substantial hair (old man nose/ear hair notwithstanding) so I’m guessing it’s not really something that’s been heavily researched.

Oh I used to get evangelical Christians calling me a racist Nazi because I accepted evolution and social Darwinism is loosely connected to that! Another coin in the jar for horseshoe theory!

Uhh does this work for cis women with thinning hair? Asking for a friend. (It’s me)
The horseshoe is helped by it being an evolution of Christianity, with the same missionary zeal and slave morality, but less emphasis on forgiveness and with the promise of an afterlife ditched. Are there any industrialised non-woke Christian countries that haven't been burned by communism first?
 
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I suspect it’s because the skin used to be on the outside and the “vaginal lining” isn’t technically internal in this case. Most of our internal bits don’t grow substantial hair (old man nose/ear hair notwithstanding) so I’m guessing it’s not really something that’s been heavily researched.

Oh I used to get evangelical Christians calling me a racist Nazi because I accepted evolution and social Darwinism is loosely connected to that! Another coin in the jar for horseshoe theory!

Uhh does this work for cis women with thinning hair? Asking for a friend. (It’s me)
I meant internal as in it’s a hole inside them. Can you fit the equipment in? I have no idea how it works. Aren’t they supposed to get it done before surgery?
 
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